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1 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Makarios | 5154 | ||
Does the fact that Jesus is called "Eternal Father" in Isaiah 9:6 mean that Jesus is the Father?No, Jesus is not the Father. As we interpret the meaning of the phrase "Eternal Father" in reference to Christ, it is critical to keep in mind what other Scriptures have to say about the distinction between the Father and the Son. The Father is considered by Jesus as someone other than Himself more than 200 times in the New Testament. Over 50 times (in the NT) the Father and Son are seen to be distinct within the same verse (for example: Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:4, Gal. 1:2-3, Phil. 2:10-11, 1 John 2:1, 2 John 3). If the Father and the Son are distinct, then in what sense is Jesus the "Eternal Father"? One explanation is that this phrase is better translated 'Father of eternity', and carries the meaning "possessor of eternity." Father of eternity is here used in accordance with a custom usual in Hebrew and in Arabic, where he who possesses a thing is called the father of it. Thus, the father of strength means strong; the father of knowledge, intelligent; the father of glory, glorious. According to this common usage, the meaning of Father of eternity in Isaiah 9:6 is 'eternal'. Christ as the "Father of eternity" is an eternal being. The Targum- a simplified paraphrase of the Old Testament Scriptures utilized by the ancient Jews- rendered Isaiah 9:6: "His name has been called from of old, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, He who lives forever...." Clearly, the ancient Jews considered the phrase Father of eternity as indicating the eternality of the Messiah. Also, this refers to Christ's divine quality as an enduring, compassionate provider and protector (see also Isaiah 40:9-11). Scripture is clear that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. Scripture tells us that the Father sent the Son (John 3:16-17), the Father and Son love each other (John 5:20), and the Father and Son speak to each other (John 8:47, 11:41, 42). Moreover, the Father knows the Son and the Son knows the Father (John 10:15), and Jesus is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1).Also, it is clear that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus at His baptism (Luke 3:22). The Holy Spirit is said to be another comforter (John 14:16). Jesus sent the Holy Spirit (John 15:26). And the Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Jesus (John 16:13-14). In view of these facts, it is impossible to argue that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit.Does John 10:30 teach that Jesus and the Father are the same person? No. Jesus affirmed, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). This verse does not mean that Jesus and the Father are one and the same person. We know this to be true because in the phrase, "I and the Father are one," a first person plural- "we are" (esmen in the Greek)- is used. The verse literally reads from the Greek, "I and the Father we are one." If Jesus intended to say that He and the Father were one person, He certainly would not have used the first person plural, which clearly implies two persons. Furthermore, the Greek word for "one" (hen) in this verse refers not to personal unity (that is, the idea that the Father and Son are one person) but to unity of essence or nature (that is, that the Father and Son have the same divine nature). This is evident in the fact that the form of the word in the Greek is neuter, not masculine. Further, the verses that immediately precede and follow John 10:30 distinguish Jesus from the Father (John 10:25,29,36,38). Jesus is the perfect revelation of the Father (John 1:18). We also know that 2 Corinthians 3:17 does not prove that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Just earlier, in vv. 3-6, the apostle Paul clearly distinguishes between Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Moreover, the whole of Scripture indicates that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.Sources: NASB Study Bible (Zondervan), Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (Hendrickson), Matthew Henry's Unabridged Commentary, Strong's Concordance, "The Complete Book of Bible Answers" by Ron Rhodes, "Evidence Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell. | ||||||
2 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | inHzsvc | 5215 | ||
I think you are trying to understand what man simply cannot understand. In John 10:30, Jesus plainly said, "I and my Father are one." And again in John 14:9, Jesus says, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father." Thomas says to Christ in John 20:28, "My Lord and my God." So, we see from these passages that Jesus is God--the Creator. However, you have sufficiently proven that they are seen as separate many times as well. We must remember, we don't serve three Gods. We serve one True and Living God, in three distinct personalities---yet, they are One. This is something that a finite mind just can't understand and surely can't comprehend. God bless. |
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3 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Makarios | 5271 | ||
Yes, I understand that our ways are not God's ways (Isaiah 55:8,9; Romans 11:33; 1 Cor. 13:12) and that we do not understand the things of God. It is like trying to pour the ocean into a bucket- is our minds trying to comprehend the things of God. I agree with you on this, and I do not hold all of the answers. I wanted to explain how one who believes in the Trinity, as I do (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) can explain Isaiah 9:6. However, I disagree with you that those Three are 'personalities'. These are Three 'Persons', all existing as one God. Each 'Person' is inseparable and omniscient, being fully God in their own right. However, where One is, the other Two are also, being omniscient. Therefore, if we reject (or say that He doesn't exist) One person of the Trinity, that being God the Father or the Holy Spirit, then we reject the Son also. If we reject the Son, than we reject the Others also. Therefore we have a TriUne God, the Three in One, and One God in heaven that has created us. We know that there is One God (1 Cor. 8:4, James 2:19, John 5:44, 17:3, Romans 3:29-30, 16:27, Gal. 3:20, Eph. 4:6, 1 Tim. 2:5). There is also three persons who are called God. The Father is God (1 Peter 1:2). Jesus is God (John 20:28, Heb. 1:8). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4). All Three are said to be omnipresent: the Father (John 4:19-24), the Son (Matt. 28:20), and the Holy Spirit (Psalm 139:7). All three are omniscient: the Father (Psalm 139:1-2), the Son (Matt. 9:4), and the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 2:10). All three are omnipotent: the Father (1 Peter 1:5), the Son (Matt. 28:18), and the Holy Spirit (Romans 15:19). Furthermore, holiness is ascribed to each Person: the Father (Rev. 15:4), the Son (Acts 3:14), and the Holy Spirit (John 16:7-14). Eternity is ascribed to each person: the Father (Psalm 90:2), the Son (Micah 5:2,John 1:2,Rev. 1:8,17), and the Holy Spirit (Heb. 9:14). And each is individually described as the Truth: the Father (John 14:6,7), the Son (Rev. 3:7), and the Holy Spirit (1 John 5:6).Matthew 28:19 reaffirms the three-in-oneness Godhead. It is highly revealing that the word "name" is singular in the Greek, indicating that there is one God, but there are three distinct persons with the Godhead- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus asserted the unity of the three by combining them all within the bounds of the single Name, and then throwing into emphasis the distinctness of each by introducing them in turn with the repeated article. Very clearly, then, the Scriptures affirm that there is one God but within the unity of the Godhead, there are three coequal and coeternal Persons- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. | ||||||
4 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | jim | 5293 | ||
Why cannot we just take Bible and beleive. As you are a Dad,Husband,Son,Uncle,Nephew,Cousin,and many more and you are one (1). surely God could be manifested as Father in creation, Son in redemption and Spirit in regeneration and be one Spirit not a person thanks for discussion | ||||||
5 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | inHzsvc | 5331 | ||
He is manifested in the way that you speak and He is One God. However, at the baptism of Christ, we see all three separated--the Father spoke from Heaven, the Son was baptized on Earth, and the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove. They are One, but, at times we see them separate. Do I understand this? Absolutely not!!! God bless. |
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