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1 | Proverbs 8 Wisdom Equals Jesus | Prov 8:22 | suzybeezy | 125308 | ||
Points of view on Prov. 8;23 being Jesus. I've read and re-read this and cross-referenced several different ways and I believe this is definately a reference that Wisdom is Jesus. Or I was thinking maybe it means its the wisom of the understanding of the great mystery (Col. 1;27)of Christ living in us. Also why does this whole chapter refer to Wisdom in the feminine form? | ||||||
2 | Proverbs 8 Wisdom Equals Jesus | Prov 8:22 | kalos | 125309 | ||
No reference to Jesus in Proverbs 8:22 "One point that needs to made right at the start. There is no reference to Jesus in Proverbs 8:22 at all. This passage is speaking of Wisdom, and for those who teach this is Jesus the evidence is not there." IS JESUS WISDOM? 'According to Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus is wisdom in Proverbs 8:22. Is Proverbs 8:22 speaking about Jesus? Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is being spoken of in Proverbs 8:22 and was created by God before all other things were created. What is going to be shown here is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe, and teach others concerning Proverbs 8:22, and look at the context of Proverbs 8:22 to see what exactly this passage is saying. 'In the Jehovah's Witnesses brochure called "Should You Believe In The Trinity page 14" they say the following: (JW quote begins.) '"Notice how closely those references to the origin of Jesus correlate with expressions uttered by the figurative 'Wisdom' in the Bible book of Proverbs: 'Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I came to birth; before he had made the earth, the countryside, and the first elements of the world.' (Proverbs 8:12, 22, 25, 26, NJB) While the term 'Wisdom' is used to personify the one whom God created, most scholars agree [say the JWs] that it is actually a figure of speech for Jesus as a spirit creature prior to his human existence." (Should You Believe In The Trinity page 14) (JW quote ends.) 'Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is being spoken of in Proverbs 8:22 and that it teaches Wisdom (Jesus) was created. One point that needs to made right at the start. There is no reference to Jesus in Proverbs 8:22 at all. This passage is speaking of Wisdom, and for those who teach this is Jesus the evidence is not there. Another point is that the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus was God's first creation and therefore believe this to be speaking of Jesus and like to use different Bible Versions that would indicate that this Wisdom was created. There are Bible Versions that have Proverbs 8:22 with the words 'created, produced or made', however there are many Bible Versions that do not. 'BIBLE VERSIONS OF PROVERBS 8:22 THAT SUPPORT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES '"Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago." (New World Translation/ Official Jehovah's Witnesses Bible) '"The Lord created me first of all, the first of his works, long ago." (Todays English Bible) '"The Lord made me as the start of his way, the first of his works in the past." (The Bible In Basic English) 'BIBLE VERSIONS OF PROVERBS 8:22 THAT DO NOT SUPPORT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES '"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old." (New American Standard Bible) '"Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old." (American Standard Version) '"Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." (Darby Bible) '"Jehovah possessed me--the beginning of His way, Before His works since then." (Youngs Literal Translation) '"The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works." (Gods Word Bible) '"Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his work, Before his deeds of old." (World English Bible) '"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, before His works of old." (Third Millennium Bible) 'Showing the comparison of different Bible Versions shows this is not an easy solution to Proverbs 8:22 and with it reading 'possessed' or 'create, made, produced'. What is the Hebrew word and what does it mean? The Hebrew word here is 'QANAH' and it means: "to own, to attain, buy-er, create, possess(-or), purchase, recover, redeem, provoke to jealously." The Hebrew word 'qanah' has many different definitions and can be used differently depending on the context. The question is how should 'qanah' be used in Proverbs 8:22? In order to rightly interpret the Scriptures the context is the key to understanding what the word means or implies. If someone said they love cats would you think they had a personal relationship with them as human beings do with other human beings? The word love can be used in many different ways and it is understood by the context of how it is used. The standard for rightly interpreting the Scriptures is reading carefully and looking at what is being said, who is saying it, and examining it in light of what the Scriptures teach.' ____________________ To read more, including 'EXAMINING PROVERBS 8 IN CONTEXT', go to: (http://www.apologeticsforchristians.homestead.com/JehovahsWitnessesProverbs8.html) |
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3 | Proverbs 8 Wisdom Equals Jesus | Prov 8:22 | suzybeezy | 125337 | ||
Thank you very much for your response. I need to state first off that I am not a Jehovah Witness, nothing personal. I am a young lamb of God trying to seek understanding and sometimes stumble in my understandings. I truly loved what you said about reading carefully and examining the light of what the scriptures teach. I think I'm trying so hard to gain knowledge that I may be going overboard - if that's possible. I don't want to confuse my beliefs with contrary teachings. As you stated the word love can be used in many different ways it's difficult understanding sometimes how some of the writing of the bible are intended. I love this forum for the many different points of view and I love to read all the loving opinions. My 15 year old son commented on how wonderful it is that people care enough to take the time to answer my question. I thank those who take their valuable time and posted replies to those of us who struggle with a question or just enjoy a interactive debate. |
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4 | Proverbs 8 Wisdom Equals Jesus | Prov 8:22 | thisbabbler | 131493 | ||
Notice the concluding verses 34-36. You are wise to use cross-references, and to be open to where God's spirit leads you. Do not allow yourself to be intimidated by any that may be able to quote the Bible better than yourself, but confirm all things Scripturally. Remember, Jesus' disciples were not scholars, but had the right attitude that caused the Father to draw them. (John 6:44) This is the only way one gains accurate knowledge. Paul spoke of those in the "last days" that are "always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth." (2 Tim 3:1,7) 34 Blessed is the man who listens to me, watching daily at my doors, waiting at my doorway. Matt 24:33,42: "Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." James 5:9: "Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!" 35 For whoever finds me finds life and receives favor from the LORD . John 3:36: "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." John 14:6: "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." 36 But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death." Acts 13:46: "Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles." Matt 25:46: "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." You may have read these in connection with Proverbs 8 already, and no doubt, have considered many others that I have failed to list. We must remember John's sobering words as we search for truth: "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19) Happy treasure hunting! (Prov 2:4) |
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