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1 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | Makarios | 8065 | ||
What do you all make of this verse: Proverbs 31:6 "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts." (KJV) Isn't it wrong to drink as a means of escape - whether from pain ("ready to perish"), or depression ("heavy hearts")? Maybe God isn't as strict about drinking as we suppose? |
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2 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | prayon | 8071 | ||
In this verse Lemuel is saying that instead of kings becoming drunken they need to leave the drinking to those who are sick and dying. Drunkenness can be understood by those who are dying or in bitter distress or great pain, but it is inexcuseable for national leaders. prayon | ||||||
3 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | EdB | 8076 | ||
Nolan Would you give a pain killer to a dying person in pain? Alcohol is drug just the same as morphine or cocaine, it lessens your awareness of pain, or at least let’s you ignore it. I think this passage shows there are times for drugs (such as pain management). It is only when we abuse it or try to substitute drugs for what only God can provide that we have a problem. |
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4 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | Makarios | 8077 | ||
EdB, whether or not I would give a pain killer to a dying person is besides the point. Must you continue to change the subject??? Just answer my question based upon the Bible. That is all that I ask of you. | ||||||
5 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | EdB | 8083 | ||
Nolan I never viewed it as changing the subject I viewed it as answering your question with an example. We accept giving drugs to people in pain, as pain management. I do not see a Biblical prohibition against such. The only real prohibition I see against drinking is the various scripture warnings to “drunkards”. A drunkard is a person using alcohol to try to replace what only God can offer. By that I mean, people drink for various reasons, I submit to you that each and every one of those reasons can only be dealt with by God through Jesus Christ. If that is changing the subject or not addressing your question please restate your question. |
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6 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | Makarios | 8091 | ||
There is absolutely no need for me to restate myself, EdB. | ||||||
7 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | EdB | 8105 | ||
Oh okay! I tried to answer your question evidently you won't receive what I said. | ||||||
8 | Drinking as a means of escape? | Prov 31:6 | Makarios | 8110 | ||
EdB, I understand what you are trying to say, and I realize that you were not trying to throw my question into another loop. I will accept any sound answer as long as it is based upon the Bible. Ryrie's Expanded NASB states, "The verses do not condone intoxication but indicate the medicinal use of alcohol in ancient times." MacArthur's NKJV Study Bible states, "'Give strong drink.' Such extreme situations, possibly relating to a criminal on death row or someone agonizing in pain with a terminal illness or tragic circumstance, are in utter contrast to that of the king (cf. Psalm 104:15)." So in either case, the Bible is not suggesting that drinking here is a 'means of escape' or to soothe depression, but Lemuel's mother is giving an example of an alternative use for alcohol to the king for an objective lesson. So what you said was true and on topic, even though it is pointless to dwell upon what I would personally do in such a situation. I was focusing on what the passage actually was saying rather than whether or not we should make certain ethical decisions. That is what would provoke an angry response from me, EdB. |
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9 | Who was Lemuel? | Prov 31:6 | EdB | 8115 | ||
Okay that's cleared up. Let me ask who was Lemuel and who was his mother? It is a very interesting study of conjecture. | ||||||
10 | Who was Lemuel? | Prov 31:6 | Makarios | 8118 | ||
I agree, it is pretty interesting.. Hastings' Dictionary of the Bible suggests, "LEMUEL.-The name of a king, otherwise unknown, to whom Proverbs 31:1-9 is addressed by his mother. His identity has been much discussed; he has been identified (by the Rabbinical commentators) with Solomon, (by Grotius) with Hezekiah. Cf. also 'Massa'. It is possible that the name is a fanciful title to represent any virtuous king, invented for the purpose of conveying certain maxims." (Hastings' Dictionary of the Bible, pg. 540, Copyright 1909, 1994 Hendrickson, James Hastings - Editor) The Ryrie Expanded Edition NASB Study Bible suggests, "This section, and perhaps the acrostic poem that follows (vv. 10-31), is attributed to King Lemuel, of whom nothing is known. Some have suggested that Lemuel ("belonging to God") was Bathsheba's name for Solomon, but this is just a guess." Nelson's NKJV Study Bible comments, "This verse begins a new section of material from a non-Israelite source. Some have thought that the name Lemuel, meaning "Belonging to God," is a pseudonym for Solomon, but this is only a guess." Zondervan's NIV Study Bible states, "his mother. This entire chapter emphasizes the role and significance of wise women. The queen mother was an influential figure (see 1 Kings 1:11-13; 15:13)." Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible suggests, "Most interpreters are of the opinion that Lemuel is Solomon; the name signifies on that is 'for God', or 'devoted to God'; and so it agrees well enough with that honourable name which, by divine appointment, was given to Solomon (2 Sam. 12:25), 'Jedediah'- beloved of the Lord. Lemuel is supposed to be a pretty, fond, endearing name, by which his mother used to call him; and so much did he value himself upon the interest he had in his mother's affections that he was not ashamed to call himself by it." (page 1025 - and it goes on to explain how Lemuel 'could' be Solomon..) |
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11 | Who was Lemuel? | Prov 31:6 | EdB | 8122 | ||
Nolan I have always been taught that Jewish tradition held a similar view as Matthew Henry's. In fact I believe this is where Mr. Henry got it. From everything else I have read on the subject this would agree with what we know of the relationship of Solomon and his beloved mother Bathsheba. As one writer I read stated I too can almost imagine Solomon playing a game of hide and seek running through the palace as Bathsheba calls out to her little Lemuel. Be blessed and be a blessing |
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12 | Who was Lemuel? | Prov 31:6 | Makarios | 8123 | ||
True, true! He could be Solomon. I wouldn't disagree with that! :-) Matthew Henry gives a more detailed description than I copied to the Forum, and he pretty much has decided that Solomon is Lemuel. I could copy the complete intro to the Forum, so that all could see.. | ||||||
13 | Who was Lemuel? | Prov 31:6 | Makarios | 8125 | ||
(Part 1) Matthew Henry's Commentary on Proverbs 31:1-6 "This chapter is added to Solomon’s proverbs, some think because it is of the same author, supposing king Lemuel to be king Solomon; others only because it is of the same nature, though left in writing by another author, called Lemuel; however it be, it is a prophecy, and therefore given by inspiration and direction of God, which Lemuel was under in the writing of it, and putting it into this form, as his mother was in dictating to him the matter of it. Here is, I. An exhortation to Lemuel, a young prince, to take heed of the sins he would be tempted to and to do the duties of the place he was called to (v. 1-9). II. The description of a virtuous woman, especially in the relation of a wife and the mistress of a family, which Lemuel’s mother drew up, not as an encomium of herself, though, no doubt, it was her own true picture, but either as an instruction to her daughters, as the foregoing verses were to her son, or as a direction to her son in the choice of a wife; she must be chaste and modest, diligent and frugal, dutiful to her husband, careful of her family, discreet in her discourse, and in the education of her children, and, above all, conscientious in her duty to God: such a one as this, if he can find her, will make him happy (v. 10–31). Pro 31:1-9 Most interpreters are of opinion that Lemuel is Solomon; the name signifies one that is for God, or devoted to God; and so it agrees well enough with that honourable name which, by divine appointment, was given to Solomon (2 Sa. 12:25), Jedediah—beloved of the Lord. Lemuel is supposed to be a pretty, fond, endearing name, by which his mother used to call him; and so much did he value himself upon the interest he had in his mother’s affections that he was not ashamed to call himself by it. One would the rather incline to think it is Solomon that here tells us what his mother taught him because he tells us (ch. 4:4) what his father taught him. But some think (and the conjecture is not improbable) that Lemuel was a prince of some neighbouring country, whose mother was a daughter of Israel, perhaps of the house of David, and taught him these good lessons. Note, 1. It is the duty of mothers, as well as fathers, to teach their children what is good, that they may do it, and what is evil, that they may avoid it; when they are young and tender they are most under the mother’s eye, and she has then an opportunity of moulding and fashioning their minds well, which she ought not to let slip. 2. Even kings must be catechised; the greatest of men is less than the least of the ordinances of God. 3. Those that have grown up to maturity should often call to mind, and make mention of, the good instructions they received when they were children, for their own admonition, the edification of others, and the honour of those who were the guides of their youth." Part 1 of 2 Taken from the online source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/ |
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