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1 | The rod of correction, could it also mea | Prov 20:30 | Radioman2 | 92492 | ||
Gracefull: You raise good questions that help bring out the meaning of Proverbs 20:30. You are correct when you write: "Can external discipline truly cleanse the heart? No." Who was pierced through for our transgressions? Who was crushed for our iniquities? By whose stripes are we healed? The correct answer to all three questions is the Messiah, Christ. Thus we can never be cleansed from sin by the punishment of our own bodies. NASB Isaiah 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. AMPLIFIED Isaiah 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole. The meaning of Proverbs 20:30 and other verses like it is simply: "Wise use of corporal punishment deters evil behavior" (John MacArthur). (In the New Living Translation (NLT) the translators' note at Prov. 20:30 says of the word "evil": "The meaning of the Hebrew is uncertain.") What do I think Proverbs means by innermost being? I would go with the NLT which translates "innermost being" as "the heart". (heart 5 : "one's innermost character, feelings, or inclinations (knew it in his heart) (a man after my own heart)" [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary]) Proverbs 20:30 New Living Translation (NLT) Physical punishment cleanses away evil; such discipline purifies the heart. Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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2 | The rod of correction, could it also mea | Prov 20:30 | gracefull | 92736 | ||
Radioman2 Thank you for your response. Ypu said.... What do I think Proverbs means by innermost being? I would go with the NLT which translates "innermost being" as "the heart". (heart 5 : "one's innermost character, feelings, or inclinations (knew it in his heart) (a man after my own heart)" [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary]) I agree. Often I listen for the 'carnal' interpretation people may place on 'spiritual' truths and 'spiritual' truths some place on carnal. in this verse some might interpret it to say physical punishment or discipline can 'save the soul'...some legalists have actually imposed that thinking on their children and the result was child abuse followed by hatred for the God that these children perceive as the 'cause of' their abuse...This is why I felt the need to elaborate on the fact that physical discilpline can correct a child's behaviour..and correct behaviour can lead a child to understanding of good and evil, right and wrong. Correcting the heart does not save the soul, but should lead ont to the place of recognizing and receiving. Matthew 12:34-35 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Jesus distinguished between those who could not 'hear' as of their father the devil and those who 'hear' as those of His Father God. It was all a matter of the heart..those who loved God, recognized Jesus, those who despised God, could not recognize Jesus. God bless |
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