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1 | answer step by step | Gen 6:6 | Beja | 221272 | ||
Dear Bruno, Yes, I do believe completely what scripture says. I understand though where you are at in your journey in that respect. Scripture will hold up to your questioning of it. However, once you find it reliable, I encourage you to move beyond that youthful questioning to complete trust. You will find that it is in this you be able to begin thinking scriptures thoughts after it and shapping yourself most fully into the image of our Lord Jesus. I do not think that what I said in anyway corresponds to your first option, that God chose what is good and evil. God could not have chosen for Himself to be belittled to be a good thing. My view is fundamentally opposed to either of your options. When I say that I do not believe there is any abstract morality, what I mean is that everything is wrong or right based on its relationship to who God is. Nothing is simply wrong because I wouldn't want it done to me or that it would rob my joy. God could throw me in the pits of hell and it would be perfectly just though it would certainly rob me of my joy! I find it something odd that you disagree with what I said about governments given that all I did was quote a scripture. Do you disagree with the truth of the scripture? I would not suggest that we are to obey governments in an occassion when they command us contrary to scripture. But doesn't this go along perfectly with my post? We hold God above every and all authorities, anything else would be to belittle Him. In the end I think my first post stands. I can think of no way to improve upon it or clarify it, yet I hope this post helps. May God bless you as you study His Word. In Christ, Beja |
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2 | questioning | Gen 6:6 | Bruno Dosca | 221282 | ||
Dear Beja, Thanks for your post. I don't think questioning of the Bible is a "youthful questioning" in me. Leaving apart that this questioning have been more and more intense with time, I would like to say that is also a matter of putting things in context. I'm trying to seek Truth and in the process I find that I have to question everything and use reason. It is during this process that, to see thing in perspective, I should look to the Bible from the same point of view that I look to Koran, Tao-Te-Ching, Veda and the other holy books of the many religions of the world. I think it is very easy to understand why a Christian don't accept all this books and only accepts the Bible, while all the followers of the other religions do the same in respect to their holy books. Most of this people thinks they are right while the others are wrong. "How lucky I am for having been born in the true religion", many of them probably think. This is why I put first reason and logical consistence in order to avoid being lost in the labyrinth of the unknown. And to answer directly your question, yes I disagree with some things said in the Bible. There are many factual mistakes and contradictions, mostly in the OT but also in the NT. And many of them are just inescapable. I can point you some of them if you wish. About my three options I don't understand how can you be "fundamentally opposed to either of your options" as they cover the hole spectrum of possibilities (anterior, posterior, simultaneous). About government thing I just point that we no longer stone to death young people for disobeying their parents or for other reasons. Which is obviously a progress in our understanding of justice from the bronze age, the time when the OT was written. |
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3 | questioning | Gen 6:6 | DocTrinsograce | 221287 | ||
Dear Bruno, There is an unwritten convention on the forum to use the "Question" check box by used only when addressing the forum as a whole in starting a new thread. Follow-up questions and comments addressed to individuals should use the "Note" check box. The individual you're addressing will receive notification. This practice keeps the home page clear -- preventing a single thread from dominating. In Him, Doc PS Just a few notes for clarity: I am Jewish convert to Christianity. We do not believe in lucky or meritorious behavior for the blessings we receive -- and all people receive by God's hand. We believe in something called divine grace. The use of the intellectual tools that God has given us is remarkable. However, those tools must operate on things that are know with certainty. An uniformed intellect, although employing sound reason, still yields only that which is specious. Perhaps you should start a thread with that which you see as "factual mistakes and contradictions" (sic). You might start a new thread for each one to let us deal with it. This is, of course, in lieu of your obtaining a further education in such things. There is nothing new under the sun. Men have been doing that for some twenty centuries now. Consequently, what you present have been offered up by various people many times. Concerning the false dichotomy I mentioned on your "hole spectrum of possibilities" (sic): There is a field of thinking that is called causality. That area of reasoning dates to Aristotle, sometime in the 4th century BC. Unfortunately, our contemporaries are rarely given classic educations any more. Consequently, we don't think outside the box. Finally, every one of us have presuppositions. The idea is to reason through those presuppositions, to hold them up to the light and validate them both privately and publicly. What we want is truth. In your last statement there at least four presuppositions. I simply point that out because the fish is often the last to see the water. There are answers to your questions. It is difficult for some of us because those questions have been settled for us so long ago. (Sorry for our impatience.) Nonetheless, if you are interested in going past your own agenda, God's self-revelation can do just that. However, you will only be able to go just so far with a forum like this. Sometimes you just have to knuckle down and take some classes or read some books. Something that inhibits reasoned responses is a that the topic starts to cover so much ground. It is as though a person asks for a description of a car; but as each component is mentioned, they ask for a description of that component. A simple question about a product, begins to cover the entire discipline of engineering that produced it. |
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4 | questioning | Gen 6:6 | Bruno Dosca | 221307 | ||
Doc, I didn't know the "check box" thing. I wont do it again (except for the new questions regarding the factual mistakes and contradictions). First of all I am very happy to see that you accept that everyone of us have presuppositions. About my trichotomy and your mention of Aristotle, I should say that in my opinion he is still "overestimated" and the very fact of his teachings being adopted as "dogma" did a tremendous harm to the advance of many subjects, especially Physics. But I must say he did a tremendous work in mathematical logic. I can imagine that "there are answers to your [meaning mine] questions" but the very fact of the whole enterprise of theology existing and working hard during millennia (sometimes to reach solutions as explanatory as "God works in mysterious ways") is showing there are problems to be solved. Always happy to be educated by anyone who has something to offer, Bruno. |
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