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1 | How can incest be forbidden? | Gen 3:3 | EdB | 129784 | ||
Doc I know there is a group of theologians that have everything figured out cut and dried. It amuses me and I'm sure it does God also since He told us He hasn't revealed all His mysteries to us. While I know perfectly what you think Paul said let us not go there. I didn't say I see God change his mind. I said I see things that appears that God has changed his mind but I know God never changes so therefore the problem isn't God changing but rather my perception. It is just that, my knowledge of human beings that convinces me I know little of what they are thinking. In fact in may cases they know little of what exactly it is that they are thinking. Your statement, “No we can't know what God, etc. was thinking. But God gave us the scripture. If we take great care in its study, we can lift from its pages the very heart motivations that made people behave as they did. It is all right there for our instruction.” I disagree. Scripture is living and I believe we may read scripture today and see a motivation in a negative sense and realize it also resides in us. However we can read the same scripture and see an entirely different motivation this time a positive one that we also become aware is sadly lacking in us and we need to culture it in our lives. Scripture is not a ‘text book’ scripture is living breathing and God speaks to us by it, but God also speaks through it. This is my main problem with so many that claim they have a handle on what the Bible says. How can they it is fresh everyday. EdB |
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2 | How can incest be forbidden? | Gen 3:3 | DocTrinsograce | 129802 | ||
Back on the topic of Cain and Abel, here is another thought. It is, again, only speculation: If we cannot make a decisive argument about Adam and Eve's pre or post-fall procreation, let's see what we CAN say definitively. We know that Adam and Eve had children. We know that Cain and Abel were the children of Adam and Eve, though we cannot say conclusively that they were the first born offspring. Further, we know that the curse of God came upon Adam and Eve after the fall per Genesis 3; and one component of the curse was the pain of child bearing (Genesis 3:16). Therefore, any child born after the fall would be born "in sorrow." As pointed out in an earlier post, Abel means "mourning/vanity" (see Josephus in "The Antiquity of the Jews"). Some have suggested, therefore, that the meaning of Abel's name is indicative of the birth pains Eve experienced. If that supposition is correct, it necessarily follows that Cain and Abel, at least, were born after the fall. |
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3 | How can incest be forbidden? | Gen 3:3 | EdB | 129803 | ||
Doc As I have said I'm not real impressed with people stating the meaning of the a name. In scripture there are cases where the name and meaning behind it is given. In other cases such Cain and Abel it is not. Therefore it is nothing more than speculation. The guy may be a genuis and may hit 99.9 percent on his conclusions, but they are still a guess and as such I'm not willing to go to the stake over. EdB |
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4 | How can incest be forbidden? | Gen 3:3 | DocTrinsograce | 129809 | ||
Okay, Ed... take it up with Josephus and the rabbis. I'm really impressed with your grasp of Hebrew or, at least, the authority of your sources if you can toss out native speakers of Hebrew as not knowing what they are talking about. Regarding speculation: The entire question is speculative, Ed. Speculative questions permit speculative answers. You started this thread branch with "first we don't know." So the root of the branch is speculation too. Didn't I even state that I was speculating? So shoot me for speculating! Sheesh! |
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5 | How can incest be forbidden? | Gen 3:3 | EdB | 129811 | ||
Doc First Cain and Abel were named before Hebrew language was formalized. In fact we do not know what language Adam and Eve spoke. Remember the various languages occurred at the Tower of Babel. It is very possible they did in fact speak Hebrew but that is mere conjecture. It is very possible the names do mean what they claim but unless it is stated as such in the Bible it is nothing more than man's speculation. As far as Josephus and the Rabbis remember one thing they missed Jesus completely, so they aren't infallible. I'm not shooting you for anything. I'm questioning your seemingly dogmatic statements. EdB |
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6 | How can incest be forbidden? | Gen 3:3 | DocTrinsograce | 129817 | ||
Ummm... okay... I take it you are using dogmatic in the non-theological sense. (Dogmatism is a part of theology that includes "things that can be known with certainty.") So, when the scripture says, Genesis 3:20, "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." that the fact that Eve -- according to Strongs (who wasn't a Rabbi) means "first woman" -- has nothing to do with the reason the scripture states for Adam giving her that name? I guess that would also apply to Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Esau, Jacob, Samuel, etc. etc. Or are you suggesting that due to the confusion of languages these names would be more certainly known than predulivian names? By the way, brother Ed, I have friends who are research physicists. They are not believers. But I still would tend to take their word on string theory over your own statements on the subject. On the other hand, I'd defer to you regarding the tenets of Pentecostalism, and generally dismiss their opinions on that subject. What can I say? Call me old fashioned! |
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7 | How can incest be forbidden? | Gen 3:3 | EdB | 129819 | ||
Forgive me Lord you know I try to remain silent. Doc So, when the scripture says, Genesis 3:20, "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." that the fact that Eve -- according to Strongs (who wasn't a Rabbi) means "first woman" -- has nothing to do with the reason the scripture states for Adam giving her that name? Have you ever considered the the possibility that the reason Adam gave Eve the name Eve may have been to him the name meant "the mother of all living"? And later the definers of names in Hebrew decided that since Eve was the first woman that would be the name they assigned the meaning of Eve "first woman"? Both meanings are correct. Adamnever published his and Strong did, therfore Strong is the expert but Adam was the mere inventor of the name. Eve. Please let's stop this is almost getting funny. EdB |
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