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1 | Were the babes of Sodom righteous? | Gen 18:26 | JCrichton | 107811 | ||
Hi, Searcher56! I think part of the problem is that we want to apply our finite knowledge to God's infinite Works. The babes of Sodom and Gomorrah were not born after the death and resurrection of Christ, they were born under the economy of the Law--a distinction we must make as under the Law we would be required to offer sacrife and atonement (animals, oil, grains...) for our sins. How many children were called by the Law to make sacrificial/thanks offerings? God is concerned with our temporal existence but only to the point that it can serve us to grow spiritually: Matthew 18:8-9) Would those who died in the flesh, before Jesus' fulfillment of the prophecies be eternally condemned? What does Peter says: 1 Peter 3:18-22. Did Christ not die for those babes as well? Christ Himself attest that God has made special provisions for the children: Matthew 18:10--and no, Jesus is not just refering to the young in the faith: Matthew 19:13-14! God Bless! |
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2 | Were the babes of Sodom righteous? | Gen 18:26 | Searcher56 | 107823 | ||
Scripture ... Exo 20; Rom 10:13-15; Num 1:2-3; Deu 1:34-39, 2:14-16; Mat 18:3-6, 19:13-15 ... JCrichton, So are you saying those born before the death and resurrection of Christ were righteous? Those in Sodom and Gomorrah weren't under the Law ... they were not Israelites, and the Law had not been established (Exo 20). You ask, "How many children were called by the Law to make sacrificial/thanks offerings"? None ... but I believe they took part when they were 12 or 13. However, is that the age where one was held responsible for their sins? - What was the age that entered the land? Deuteronomy 2:14-16 says all the fighting men had perished, as he has promise (1:34-35). So take Deuteronomy 1:39 in context (vv 34-39). We are told in Numbers 1 that Moses was instructed to "take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and their families. according to the number of names, every male, head by head from twenty years and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel." (1:2-3). Therefore, I believe those under 20 at Deuteronomy 1:34-39 entered the land. In Matthew 19:13-15 Jesus did not teach that little children are going to heaven (Mar 10:13-16, Luk 18:15-17). They are an example -Matthew 18:3-6 is another time Jesus mentioned children and kingdom of heaven -- He taught that we need to change and humble ourselves like little children [paidion ... which means "an infant, or (by extension) a half grown boy or girl; figuratively an immature Christian," according to Strong's Greek Dictionary] (vs 3) -- He taught that we cause little ones [mikros ... which means "least, less, little, small," according to Strong's Greek Dictionary] who believe in me to sin (vs 6) ... we are in trouble - Note that the "kingdom of heaven" is seen in two of the Beatitudes (Mat 5:3, 10). In Matthew 5:20 the qualification appears to be having righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees. But, that falls short of what being saved - we need to believe and call on Him (Rom 10:13-15) Searcher |
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3 | Were the babes of Sodom righteous? | Gen 18:26 | JCrichton | 107877 | ||
True, Searcher, Sodom and Gomorrah were not worshiping Yahweh; but still they were created in God's image (Matthew 5:45). I believe that the question is not did they worship Yahweh; it is were the children seen by God as righteous or unrighteous. Being that their parents were lost would Yahweh not permit some type of dispensation for them? Hence my post's reference to 1 Peter 3:18-22. Christ did not die for a select few: Romans 5:6. Further, as you pointed out there was no Israel, for Issac had yet to be born! So if you are saying that Christ did not die for those children (the original question assumes that there were children born in Sodom), then would you also say that God's Salvation Plan is flawed, for how could a three year old defy his parents and walk over to Abraham's camp? Jesus never said that children were automatically heaven's citizen; He said that only as children would we (those tarnished by sin) gain salvation. Children, at least Jesus' contemporaries, are innocent, loving, trusting, hungry for instruction, and humble. Thomas'(a great teacher: John 3:10) reactions to Jesus' teachings were confrontational and disbelief. Most of the interchange demonstrate just that point: we can go on in circles expanding from point a to z, including material that does not even shadow the original point, in an effort to prove something wrong or misinterpreted. When God spoke to Abraham about that one righteous person, did He include all the people? Did Yahweh make an exception for the children since Jesus' liberatinng grace was set for a distant future, or did He just figured "like father like son, let them all burn"? I do not presume to speak for my God, but I believe that there is Wisdom and Mercy beyond my understanding in Yahweh's Works. So I would rather think that He would have mercy on children who are way too ignorant to know and to choose righteousness! Since God is Love and Mercy--His Salvation could not be meant just for me! God Bless! |
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4 | Were the babes of Sodom righteous? | Gen 18:26 | Searcher56 | 107948 | ||
Every person, every child, every baby is born into this world with an inherent sinful nature. Sin is embedded within the entire human race. David said in Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." Psalm 58:3 says, "The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies." Ecclesiastes 7:20 says, "For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin." Of course Romans 3 describes the full depravity of the human condition summing it up with verse 10, "There is none righteous, no, not one." We inherited this sinful nature from our common forefather Adam. Romans 5:12 says, "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." We are born with a desire for sin. We don’t have to be taught to sin; we do it naturally, by nature. Ephesians 2:3 says we are "by nature children of wrath." God said of man in Genesis 8:21, "…the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth." To put it succinctly, every person ever conceived has inherited a sinful, rebellious nature.. We all deserve death and we all deserve hell, even babies. |
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5 | Were the babes of Sodom righteous? | Gen 18:26 | JCrichton | 107976 | ||
Is this the point that the original posting meant to make? Since we are all sinners (God's words) then why was the point of the original post: Subject: Were the babes of Sodom righteous? Abraham was found righteous by God--Did Abraham make himself righteous? Was it not God who found Abraham to be righteous? I thought that point of the question was would God not have made the children of Sodom righteous, since they had no other sin other than the "inherent sinful nature," while simultaneously passing sentence (Romans 6:21) on the sinful conduct of the people of Sodom. Perhaps I thought that that was the point in question. Sorry for the misunderstanding! God Bless! |
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