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1 | What about Jacob-Israel and Ephraim? | Gen 17:6 | HOTH | 175126 | ||
Hi eklektos, Thanks again for your response. You stated: “Yes, the covenant was between God and Abraham, not God and Sarah. So, the promise also included the tribes of Ishmael plus Isaac.” I think that runs counter to Gen 17:15-21, where God specifically tells Abraham, “But My covenant, My promise and pledge, I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year.” Abraham pleaded for Ishmael in verse 18. God heard Abraham and gave Ishmael a separate and distinct blessing. Gen 17:15 And God said to Abraham, As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai; but Sarah [Princess] her name shall be. Gen 17:16 And I will bless her and give you a son also by her. Yes, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall come from her. Gen 17:18 And [he] said to God, Oh, that Ishmael might live before You! Gen 17:19 But God said, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son indeed, and you shall call his name Isaac [laughter]; and I will establish My covenant or solemn pledge with him for an everlasting covenant and with his posterity after him. Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard and heeded you: behold, I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly; He will be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. Gen 17:21 But My covenant, My promise and pledge, I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year. Further, when God tells Abraham that Sarah “shall be a mother of nations” it confirms this covenant was with Isaac and with his posterity after him. Yet, I do not think that ancient Israel, ancient Judea, and Edom can be looked at as having fulfilled God’s promise to make Abraham a “father of many nations.” Maybe Sarah could considered a “mother of nations”, for these three nations, but I doubt it. The twelve tribes represent only two nations, not twelve. God broke Israel into two nations, no more than that. I ran a key word search of the word “nations” in the book of Genesis. The results are very interesting. Indeed, the promise that Abraham would be a “father of many nations” fell to Isaac’s son Jacob-Israel. In Gen 35:10-11 “Again God said to him, your name is Jacob; you shall not be called Jacob any longer, but Israel shall be your name. So He called him Israel. And God said to him, I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall come from you and kings shall be born of your stock. . . Jacob-Israel, when he blessed Ephraim and Manasseh, the sons of Joseph, the promise of “a multitude of nations” was given to Ephraim. Gen 48:16-19 It seems the promise of the “Seed” went to Judah and the Southern Kingdom of Judea and the promise of many nations went to the Northern Kingdom of Israel, specifically the tribe of Ephraim. We know how the promise of the “Seed” was fulfilled in our Lord Jesus Christ. How was the promise of “a multitude of nations” fulfilled? Thanks again for your help and may God be with you, Hoth |
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2 | What about Jacob-Israel and Ephraim? | Gen 17:6 | DocTrinsograce | 175136 | ||
Dear Hoth, There is an unwritten convention on the forum to use the "Question" button only when addressing the forum as a whole. Followup questions and comments addressed to individuals should use the "Note" button. The individual you're speaking to will receive notification. This practice keeps the home page clear. Thank you! In Him, Doc |
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3 | What about Jacob-Israel and Ephraim? | Gen 17:6 | HOTH | 175146 | ||
Dear Doc, Thank you for the heads-up! Hoth |
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