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1 | Did Go call Himself, El Shaddai, first? | Gen 17:1 | EdB | 78715 | ||
Searcher56 and Radioman2 Let me interject here if I might. El Shaddai is not God's name but rather one of his attributes. In fact all the "El's" are exactly that God refers to his attributes as a name which describes Himself. This was common practice in Hebrew and many other cultures. We see in Roman titles. Lord of the realm, protector of the poor defender of the just etc. YHWH was the Hebrew word for god when speaking about God. Today they use G-d if writing it. In Exodus 3:14-15 god clearly states his name. “And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' " 15Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.' “ God clearly states here his name is the 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” and that would be His name forever. All the other names are God describing himself or names man applied to God. Just my thoughts EdB |
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2 | Did Go call Himself, El Shaddai, first? | Gen 17:1 | Radioman2 | 78718 | ||
NASB Genesis 13:4 "to the place of the altar which he had made there formerly; and there Abram called on the name of the LORD" (Hebrew YHWH). EdB: Thank you for an excellent post. In addition, may I point out the following? 'God Almighty (Hebrew, El Shaddai), the strong or powerful God...The name Yahweh WAS KNOWN TO THE PATRIARCHS (Gen. 13:4), but its SIGNIFICANCE as the One who would redeem Israel from Egyptian bondage was not known until this time' (i.e. the time spoken of in Exodus 6). (Note at Exodus 6:3, Ryrie Study Bible: Expanded Edition. Emphasis added.) |
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3 | Did Go call Himself, El Shaddai, first? | Gen 17:1 | Searcher56 | 78810 | ||
Actually Ryrie is in conflict with Exodus 6:3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I DID NOT MAKE KNOWN Myself known to them. Always, check the experts out |
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4 | Did Go call Himself, El Shaddai, first? | Gen 17:1 | Radioman2 | 78830 | ||
Actually, Searcher56 is in conflict with Genesis 4:26; 12:8; and 13:4. And actually Ryrie is in conflict with Searcher56. NASB Genesis 4:26 To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD (Hebrew YHWH). NASB Genesis 12:8 Then he (Abram) proceeded from there to the mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east; and there he built an altar to the LORD and called upon the name of the LORD (Hebrew YHWH). NASB Genesis 13:4 "to the place of the altar which he had made there formerly; and there Abram called on the name of the LORD" (Hebrew YHWH). |
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5 | Radioman - What did God say in Exo 6:3? | Gen 17:1 | Searcher56 | 78889 | ||
Let us review You quote Ryrie as saying "The name Yahweh WAS KNOWN TO THE PATRIARCHS" . Exodus 6:3 says "and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I DID NOT MAKE KNOWN Myself known to them." (EMPHSIS added) ... so if He DID NOT MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN BY HIS NAME how WAS IT KNOWN TO THE PATRIARCHS?. What did God say in Exodus 6:3? Then we can go on to the Genesis accounts. You are right ... I do conflict with experts, bu not the Bible. |
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6 | Radioman - What did God say in Exo 6:3? | Gen 17:1 | Radioman2 | 78896 | ||
You write: "If He DID NOT MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN BY HIS NAME how WAS IT KNOWN TO THE PATRIARCHS?" You tell me. You're the one who is saying that the name YHWH was unknown to the patriarchs, even though I have shown you in Genesis that the patriarchs did call upon the name of YHWH. So indeed, "if He DID NOT MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN BY HIS NAME how WAS IT KNOWN TO THE PATRIARCHS?" You tell me. This is a question that is left unanswered by you, not by me. "One of the basic principles of biblical interpretation is the analogia scriptura, the analogy of Scripture. In other words, we must compare Scripture with Scripture in order to understand its full and proper sense. And since the Bible doesn't contradict itself, any interpretation of a specific passage that contradicts the general teaching of the Bible is to be rejected." OK, if the name YHWH was not known until Exodus, then you tell me: How is it that men called upon the name of YHWH in Gen. 4:26, 8:12, and 13:4? How are they to call on him of whom they have never heard? One of two things must be true: a) Either the passages in Genesis that speak of men calling upon the name of YHWH are untrue, in error and not a legitimate part of the inspired scriptures; or b) Exodus 6:3 is not to be taken in an overly wooden literal sense, but must be interpreted in light of other scriptures that address the same issue. Which is it -- a) or b)? We have to compare scripture with scripture and apply a little common sense to its interpretation. Otherwise, we are left with unexplainable contradictions between various verses of scripture. Re-interpreting or changing the meaning of a number of verses of scripture to fit one's own interpretation of a single verse is not applying sound principles of interpretation. Rather it is precisely what the Jehovah's Witnesses do to prove their heretical points. |
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7 | Radioman - What did God say in Exo 6:3? | Gen 17:1 | Morant61 | 78911 | ||
Greetings Radioman! There is at least one other option my friend: c) We may be taking the phrase 'calling upon the name of the LORD' to literally and Ex. 6:3 reveals that prior to Moses God did not reveal that His name was YHWH. An interesting phrase to note is found in Gen. 16:13, "She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: 'You are the God who sees me,' for she said, 'I have now seen the One who sees me.'" The KJV words it this way: "And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?" I could be wrong, but I don't personally think that the phrase 'called upon the name of the LORD' meant that they had to have actually know the name 'YHWH' which doesn't appear to be revealed until God appeared to Moses. But, I'm not sure that it is especially important either way. The Old Testament is filled with names of God, but they usually function more as titles than anything else. They help us to remember the character of our God. Well, I have to run! Chat with you later my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Radioman - What did God say in Exo 6:3? | Gen 17:1 | Truthfinder | 78914 | ||
God's only unique name. Hi all, Here's my take on you discussion: Professor of Hebrew D. H. says that those who claim Exodus 6:2, 3 marks the first time the name Jehovah was revealed, "have not studied [these verses] in the light of other scriptures; otherwise they would have perceived that by name must be meant here not the two syllables which make up the word Jehovah, but the idea which it expresses. When we read in Isaiah, ch. lii. 6, 'Therefore my people shall know my name;' or in Jeremiah, ch. xvi. 21, 'They shall know that my name is Jehovah;' or in the Psalms, Ps. ix. [10, 16], 'They that know thy name shall put their trust in thee;' we see at once that to know Jehovah's name is something very different from knowing the four letters of which it is composed. It is to know by experience that Jehovah really is what his name declares him to be. (Compare also Is. xix. 20, 21; Eze. xx. 5, 9; xxxix. 6, 7; Ps. lxxxiii. [18]; lxxxix. [16]; 2 Ch. vi. 33.)"-The Imperial Bible-Dictionary, Vol. I, pp. 856, 857. The name Jehovah was not first revealed to Moses, for it was certainly known by the first man. The name initially appears in the divine Record at Genesis 2:4 after the account of God's creative works, and there it identifies the Creator of the heavens and earth as "Jehovah God." It is reasonable to believe that Jehovah God informed Adam of this account of creation. The Genesis record does not mention his doing so, but then neither does it explicitly say Jehovah revealed Eve's origin to the awakened Adam. Yet Adam's words upon receiving Eve show he had been informed of the way God had produced her from Adam's own body. (Ge 2:21-23) Much communication undoubtedly took place between Jehovah and his earthly son that is not included in the brief account of Genesis. Eve is the first human specifically reported to have used the divine name. (Ge 4:1) She obviously learned that name from her husband and head, Adam, from whom she had also learned God's command concerning the tree of the knowledge of good and bad (although, again, the record does not directly relate Adam's passing this information on to her).-Ge 2:16, 17; 3:2, 3. Truthfinder |
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9 | Radioman - What did God say in Exo 6:3? | Gen 17:1 | Radioman2 | 78922 | ||
Truthfinder: Thank you! I'm glad to see that at least one other person at this forum understands and believes that THE NAME YHWH WAS KNOWN TO THE PATRIARCHS. |
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