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1 | Smoking oven and Flaming Torch | Gen 15:17 | Mommapbs | 136659 | ||
Greetings Ray - Abram didn't passs between the halves, God's Presence did - represented by the smoking oven and flaming torch v 17. The Galatians reference supports the Gen 15 promise God made to Abram - it was one sided; do you see any conditions that Abram was to fulfill? Knowing that Abram's decendents would reject Him, does this covenant reflect's God's love and mercy? How does this speak to you? As for me, it assures me of the faithfulness of God to me, to keep His promise of my redemption in Christ, even though I am unfaithful to Him. Blessings, mommapbs |
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2 | Smoking oven and Flaming Torch | Gen 15:17 | Ray | 136673 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, I have read McArthur's notes on Genesis 15:17 and see that he speaks of the smoking oven and the burning torch as symbolizing the presence of God. He references Exodus 13:21 (pillar of cloud and pillar of fire) to compare, but I still can not see the smoking oven and burning torch as symbolizing the presence of God. Jeremiah 34:19 has a list of men who are passing between the parts of the sacrifice--"the officials of Juda, and the officials of Jerusalem, the court officers, and the priests, and all the people of the land, who passed between the parts of the calf--20 and I will give them into the hand of their enemies and into the hand of those who seek their life. And their dead bodies shall be food for the birds of the sky and the beasts of the earth." The contrast in Genesis 15:11 is that Abraham chased the birds of the sky away. Genesis 15:10, "Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds. 11 And the birds of prey came down upon the carcasses, and Abram drove them away." The connection that I see between Genesis (Abraham) and Jeremiah is that God made them a "terror" to all the kingdoms of the earth. And I am not saying that that is a bad thing, for the nations all through the Scriptures saw the power of God in His people. 1) What does this Abrahamic covenant say to me? I am one of Abraham's descendants through faith. Abraham was promised the inheritance and possession of the land. What I look for personally now is the promise of the Spirit/ by faith. (Slashes are mine for comparison). Galatians 3:14, "in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit/ through faith." Galatians 3:26, "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ/. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise." Galatians 4:6, "And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit/ of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" From the heart, Ray |
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