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1 | "I SAID, 'YOU ARE GODS?'" | Ps 82:6 | Ray | 123310 | ||
Hi Zsuzsi, I don't see the last judgment in Psalm 82, but rather an active involvement by God in the affairs of men. You have written that you do not understand "how 'His own' has come into the passage." Psalm 82:1 in the NASB reads, "God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers." The NASB Study Bible has in its marginal note for the verse, [Lit. the congregation of God]. 1) I believe that we have to know for Psalm 82 whether God is speaking or whether the words are from our own spirits. Ezekiel 13:1, "Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy from their own inspiration, 'Listen to the word of the Lord! 3 Thus says the Lord (God), "Woe to the foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have seen nothing."' John 12:40, "He has blinded their eyes, and He hardened their heart; lest they see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart, and be converted, and (I) heal them." 2) Psalm 8:4-6 I see as a passage that is talking about the Son of Man rather than the son of man. The name of the Lord is majestic in all the earth. Hebrews 2:6-9 is also speaking of the Son of Man and we see that Jesus is crowned with glory and honor. Hebrews 2 would have us pay close attention to what we hear. Hebrews 1:14 might be another way of saying "test the spirits". Test the words spoken through angels for they prove to be unalterable or steadfast. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | "I SAID, 'YOU ARE GODS?'" | Ps 82:6 | Zsuzsi | 123337 | ||
Hi again Ray, Thanks for your reply, I must admit I have slightly (very?) different views about basically all of the passages you were referring to, but that is okay, of course. :-) Thanks for the passage translation, now I do understand where it came from. KJV and NIV are the translations I use most often and it can be translated as 'congregation of rulers/gods', or as you said, 'congregation of God'. Hebrew can be hard to put into English at times. :-) For the rest, this is what I think: 1) You said you believe the psalm was referring to the active involvement of God in the affairs of men. (I asssume by this you mean His earthly involvement in our affairs.) This is the first point of disagreement: I actually believe it talks about the Last Judgment - my thinking originates especially from v8 saying "thou shalt inherit all nations"... As far as I know, that will not happen before the second Pentecost... It seems to me that the psalmist is crying for the coming of God ("stand in the congregation", "arise" etc) But in a way I do understand your thinking too... 2) You were asking who was talking. Personally I believe the psalmist talks in v1-5, God in 6-7, and the psalmist again in v8. To me it seems like the psalmist foresees the reply/judgment of God: "I [God] said ye are gods [you have authority from Me to judge, eg. Rom 13:1-2, or Jer 5:31] ... but ye shall die like men [because of your iniquity]." 3) For Psalm 8:4-6, together with Hebrews 2:6-9: I would rather say that it was man (humanity) who was made 'little lower than the angels', which is great dignity FOR MAN - he got power over all nature, as Psalm 8:6-8 mentions - but the rest of this psalm still affirms that primarily it is all God's wonderful creation. (Even though God does 'care for' man, He is still much more powerful than us.) At the same time, and this is what I believe Hebrews 2:6-9 is telling us, becoming a man, that is, 'little lower than the angels', FOR GOD was a great act of humility, out of His love for man. He 'tasted death for every man' so that He may call us 'brethen'. C.v. Phil 2:5(6)-12. 4) Of course we should test the spirits. But I have hope that the 'spirits' whose writings are included in the Bible were truly writing what God inspired them to write. :-) Thanks for your patience in this discussion. God bless you, Zsuzsi |
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3 | "I SAID, 'YOU ARE GODS?'" | Ps 82:6 | Ray | 123617 | ||
Hi Zsuzsi, 1) I am not familiar with "the second Pentecost". You have chosen the KJ to quote from for "thou [sic] shalt inherit all nations". Is not God Himself the possessor of all the nations? You do not want to fall like one of the princes. Psalm 83:11 talks about nobles like Oreb and Zeeb and princes like Zebah and Zalmunna. They said, "Let us possess for ourselves the pastures of God." 2) I see Psalm 82 as totally spoken by Asaph. I looked at Psalm 2:7 for another place where one would wonder who is speaking. "I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord:" Or, "I will tell of the decree:" Here in this Psalm also we see who owns the earth. "He said to Me, 'Thou art My Son, Today I have begotten Thee. Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Thine inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Thy possession. 3) You wrote of great dignity FOR MAN. With the ALL CAPS we don't know who you are speaking of. But Psalm 8, to my mind is speaking of the Son of Man. Psalm 8:5, "For Thou hast made Him a little lower than God, And dost crown Him with glory and majesty." The Psalm begins and ends with "O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth." Hebrews 2:9, "But we do see Him/ who has been made a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus,..." Phil 2:10, "That at the name of Jesus/ every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth." From the heart, Ray |
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