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1 | drbloor, where is your Biblical support? | 2 Chr 21:12 | Searcher56 | 171674 | ||
one FINAL time ... I have already proved that the letter was written before he departed It says the letter ws sent by Elijah and he had a chariot ride - by your count about 10 years. Maybe it was put away like the account of Mordecai in Esther, where there was a time between the writting and reading. |
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2 | drbloor, where is your Biblical support? | 2 Chr 21:12 | drbloor | 171677 | ||
Dear Searcher, You say that you know the letter was not written at the time because "the BIBLE tells me so" in 2 Chr 21:12. Where in 2 Chr 21:12 does it say that Elijah wrote the letter before his chariot ride? You must have a different Bible to me. You keep saying that you have proved this already, but you have yet to provide a single verse that supports your argument. Yrs, Dr. B. |
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3 | drbloor, where is your Biblical support? | 2 Chr 21:12 | Morant61 | 171680 | ||
Greetings Dr. B! Just out of curiosity, where does the Bible say WHEN Elijah took his chariot ride? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | drbloor, where is your Biblical support? | 2 Chr 21:12 | drbloor | 171683 | ||
Dear Tim, In answer to your two posts on the timing of Elijahs exit: If you take the simple chronology that is set out in 2 Kings then Elijah left after Ahaziah died and about the time that Jehoram began to rule in Israel. If are not sure that the chapter has been placed chronologically then we can move on to 2 Kings 3, where we read this: 2 Ki 3:11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD, that we may enquire of the LORD by him? And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah. This verse tells us that the principle prophet in the land was now Elisha, not Elijah, otherwise they would have called for Elijah. The King mentioned at the start of the verse is Jehoshaphat, the father of Jehoram of Judah who received the letter. Jehoram killed his brothers after Jehoshaphat had died and they were no longer under his protection, and as we have seen Elijah must have left before Jehoshaphat died because Elisha had already taken over his role. As the letter arrives after 6 years of Jehorams reign as King, Elijah must have been absent for at least 6 years, and quite possibly several more. As for your point that "it is quite possible that Elijah could have still been alive." - that's still perfectly true. We are not told that Elijah died, but merely that he was taken through the sky on a chariot. I hope this helps. Yrs, Dr. B. |
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5 | drbloor, where is your Biblical support? | 2 Chr 21:12 | Morant61 | 171688 | ||
Greetings Dr. B! Thanks for the reply! As I understand it, the timing would allow for the possibilty that Elijah's chariot ride had not yet taken place at the time of the letter of 2 Chr. 21:12. Allow me to demonstrate. 2 Kings 3:1 says that Joram began to reign in the 18th year of Jehoshaphat king of Judah. 1 Kings 22:42 tells us that Jehoshaphat reigned for 25 years. Yet, 2 Kings 1:17 tells us that Joram began to reign in the second year of Jehoram son of Jehoshaphat. Further, 2 Kings 8:16 tells us that Jehoram son of Jehoshaphat began to reign in the 5th year of Joram. This would indicate that Jehoram co-reigned with Jehosphaphat for a period of about 7 years. Joram's reign is actually mentioned for the first time in 2 Kings 1:17, prior to Elijah's chariot ride in 2 Kings 2. This is simply a long way of saying that it is possible that the letter of 2 Chr. 21:12 was written prior to the events of 2 Kings 2. We simply don't know exactly when that famous chariot ride took place. Here is what the Bible Knowledge commentary says about it: "This letter from Elijah is of more than passing interest because it is the only known written message from the great prophet. Some scholars allege that it could not be authentic since, they say, Elijah was translated to heaven before Jehoram began to reign. But Elijah was still living on earth in the days of Joram, son of Ahab, who succeeded his brother Ahaziah in 852 b.c. (cf. 2 Kings 1:17). This event, the author of 2 Kings wrote, occurred ”in the second year of Jehoram . . . king of Judah.“ Though Jehoram’s sole regency in Judah began in the year of Jehoshaphat’s death (848), he co-reigned with his father from 853 to 848. It is still true, of course, that Jehoram could not have murdered his brothers until after 848 so the matter of Elijah’s knowledge of this fact still remains. Since there is no certain way to date Elijah’s translation perhaps it did not take place until 848 or even later." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | drbloor, where is your Biblical support? | 2 Chr 21:12 | drbloor | 171694 | ||
Dear Tim, As we can tell from 2 Ki 3:11 that Elisha had taken on the mantle of Elijah while Jehoshaphat was alive, we know that Elijah made his disappearance during the time of the co-regency, and before the murders of Jehorams brothers. 2 Chr 21 indicates that the letter arrived after Jehoram had ruled in Jerusalem for 6 years after his fathers death. So whilst I agree that Elijah sent the letter personally, I firmly believe that his chariot ride must have taken place at least 6 years previously. Yrs, Dr. B. |
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7 | drbloor, where is your Biblical support? | 2 Chr 21:12 | Morant61 | 171705 | ||
Greetings Dr. B! It took me a second to figure out where you were getting the six years. :-) We know that he reigned (alone at least) for 8 years. We know that he was ill for two years (2 Chron. 21:19). However, 2 Chron. 21:18 does not necessarily indicate that the illness took place at the same time as the letter was received. So, I don't think we can pinpoint the letter precisouly. I've got to run! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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