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1 | The need of a Shepherd and Master | 2 Chr 18:16 | Searcher56 | 17960 | ||
Ray, Micaiah prophesies against Ahab is the context. It is specific. Do not take the verse out of CONTEXT. (xref 1Ki 22:17) Micaiah arrives and tells Ahab to attack and be victorious (vs 14) ... which Ahab knew wasn't true (vs 15). Verse 16 is saying that Ahab wasn't being a shepherd, nor thought of as a master. The one who went home in peace was Jehoshaphat (19:1). Read what Jeremiah said (10:21, 23:2 ... 31:10). Steve |
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2 | The need of a Shepherd and Master | 2 Chr 18:16 | Ray | 18001 | ||
Hi Steve, Are you going to deny that Jesus was thinking of Himself in Matthew 9:36 and Mark 6:34? Your reference of Jeremiah 31:10 is good to my way of thinking. "He who scattered Israel will gather him And keep him (as a shepherd keeps his flock). He appears to be a Shepherd to me. Do you deny that He was David's Shepherd? What I'm doing here in a sense is testing the spirits. In other words, shepherd or Shepherd, master or Master, spirit or Spirit. This passage also is about testing the spirits as far as Ahab and Jehoshaphat and Micaiah and Zedekiah are concerned. Verse 14 has the deceiving spirit agreeing with the 400 other prophets, "Go up and succeed, for they will be given into your hand." I don't think that Ahab knew it wasn't true; he just couldn't believe it from past experience with Micaiah. But since he asked for the truth, God gave it to them both. If both of the kings listened then they would have gone to their homes in peace. I see no idea of these kings being shepherds or masters. Jehosophat was closest to looking for a Master in that 2 Chronicles 18:6,7 has him desireous of inquiring about the Lord's will. Yet when he heard the prophesy he still went to battle and was reproved for it in Ch 19:2. And yet again, it was said of him that "you have set your heart to seek God." In 2 Chronicles 18:23 we see another test of the spirits. "Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near and struck Micaiah on the cheek and said, "How did the Spirit of the Lord pass from me to speak to you?"" ***Zedekiah thought that he had the true Spirit in his prophecy and he wonders how Micaiah could have a true proclamation of disaster. The proof was in how it came out in the end. I find it encouraging that the king who said "Please inquire first for the word of the Lord" in Chapter 18:4 is the one whose life is saved in verse 31 by God when Jehoshaphat cried out. Later, Ray |
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3 | The need of a Shepherd and Master | 2 Chr 18:16 | Searcher56 | 18029 | ||
Ray, Matthew 9:36 and Mark 6:34, as well as John 10:1ff are about Jesus being a Shepherd. But, you may not take 2 Chronicles 18:16 outside the context. Don't force it. Remember, He is also the Lamb. Lambs become sheep. Steve |
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4 | The need of a Shepherd and Master | 2 Chr 18:16 | Ray | 18030 | ||
Hi Steve, You tell me that I forced the interpretation, but didn't really comment on it. I think it is astounding that God became a Man and came to die for our sins. Jesus is the Shepherd that was struck by God. He was both God and Man. He was both Shepherd and Lamb. |
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5 | The need of a Shepherd and Master | 2 Chr 18:16 | Searcher56 | 18034 | ||
I am syaing that this passage is a prophecy about Ahab, not Christ. | ||||||
6 | The need of a Shepherd and Master | 2 Chr 18:16 | Ray | 18040 | ||
Hi Steve, The problem with saying that it is a prophecy concerning Ahab is that it did not come true. Looking at the context I see in verse 13 Micaiah saying, "...what my God says, that I will speak." And in verse 27, "And Micaiah said, "If you indeed return safely, the Lord has not spoken by me." And he said, "Listen, all you people."" ***And I'm listening, for it speaks to me where I am right now, in the context of who I know God is. Later, Ray |
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