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1 | if Jesus died on Friday and rose Sunday | John | Searcher56 | 118506 | ||
Scripture ... 1 Sam 30:12, Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40, Matt 21:1-28:20, Mark 11:1-16:20, Luke 19:28-24:53, John 12:1-20:31 ... Does the Bible say "three days" or "three days and three nights". If anyone leaves out the "three nights" thay are taking away from Scripture. Matt 12:40 says "three days and three nights". The "Friday" is an error of tradition. MacArthur and other don't like the literal meaning of these words, they say it is a Jewish idiom. Ask a Jewish rabbi what that phrase "three days and three nights" means (1 Sam 30:12, Jon 1:17). Enter 8230 under Quick Search on this ... but, still go ask for yourself. Plus, Norm also has changed his view I believe He died on Thursday ... - Day 1 Thursday day (6am-6pm) - Nite1 Thursday nite (6am-6pm) - Day 2 Friday day (6am-6pm) - Nite2 Friday nite (6am-6pm) - Day 3 Saturday day (6am-6pm) - Nite3 Saturday nite (6am-6pm) ... Mark 16:1 says "when the Sabbaths were over" ... the High Sabbath (Fr) and the wwekly Sabbath (Sa) Going backwards, we know that two disciples were going to Emmaus in Luke 24:21 It is the first day of the week (vs 1), Sunday (Nisan 17, Firstfruits). In verse 21, it says today is the third day since He died. -One day since is Saturday -Two days since is Friday -Three days since is Thursday Also, when was His entry into Jerusalem? I believe it is Nisan 10 (Sunday). Since Passover is Nisan 14 what day did He die? 11-Mo, 12-Tu, 13-We ... and the Nisan 14 is Thursday. He died on Thursday - Friday is an error of tradition. |
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2 | if Jesus died on Friday and rose Sunday | John | Fletch | 118518 | ||
I have to disagree, I personally have been trying to figure out Matt 12:40 about the "three days and three nights" for about a month now. I admit I don't have an answer to it yet, but I am still looking. The reason I don't then conclude that Jesus died on Thursday is that the scriptures from death to resurrection give evidence of what day the crucifixion occurred. I will start with the death and move forward from that. The death of Jesus happened on a little after the ninth hour of a day(Matthew 27:45-50), that we are not certain of at this point.(Ninth hour is 3pm)It does not give the exact time, but that is the last hour that we are given. This is the first day, because in those days even part of the day, or night, was counted. This was also in Mark 15:33 and Luke 23:44. From vs 51-56 are not important to the time of the events. Then in Matthew 27:57 "When it was evening" Joseph collected the body and put it in the tomb. This is also in Mark 15:42. Luke and John are slightly different and give more information, it says in Luke 23:54 "It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning." and in John 19:42 "So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there." Both of these two are saying that they put Jesus in the tomb on the Preparation day, which is Friday. Then (Matthew 27:62) "Next day, that is, after the day of Preparation." This is the day after Jesus was put in the tomb and the second day of him being dead. It says that it is the day after the preparation, which again is Friday. If you need clarification that Friday is preparation day, look at Luke 23:54 again, what it says is that the Sabbath is beginning and the Sabbath begins at 6pm on Friday. I am trying to show through this that the night of Jesus' death Joseph put him in the tomb. I see it established through all four gospels that Jesus died on the preparation day, which is Friday. So, Friday is the first day, Saturday the Second, and it was on the third day, Sunday, that he was raised. I know that this does have the problem of it is only two nights, but I don't see how there could a mistake from the gospels of what day he died. I have been trying to figure this out ever since I have found Matthew 12:40, but I cannot ignore the gospels clear representation of what day he died to make it so this one verse is true. If I do then I make most of the verses I quoted in this post False. I would like to hear what you guys have to say. Brother in Christ, Rex |
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3 | if Jesus died on Friday and rose Sunday | John | Searcher56 | 118527 | ||
Scripture ... Mat 27:57-61, Mar 15:42-47, Luk 23:50-56; Jhn 19:38-42 A better reading for Matthew 27:57 is "As evening approached" ... that is it wasn't evening, yet. Mark 15:42 says the same thing Luke 23:54 says "the Sabbath was about to begin" John 19:42 says "it was the Jewish day of Preparation" ... a which is noted in the other Gospels. If He wasn't buried until after evening began, those who use "three days and three nights" as a Jewish idiom to say He died on Friday have a BIG problem. Since the Jewish day began in the evening, there would only be "two days and two nights". |
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4 | if Jesus died on Friday and rose Sunday | John | Fletch | 118588 | ||
I don't know why you only count two days, are you only counting Friday and Saturday? If you are you need to count Sunday, because that is the day he was resurrected. That is Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Yes only two nights, but if you go from Thursday all you get is 4 days and 3 nights, that is not what was said either. I don't get why you are quoting those scriptures that you are quoting. They show that the Sabbath was about to begin stating it was Friday. The bible never said that they rested two Sabbaths it says: Matthew 28:1 "Now after the Sabbath" Mark 16:1 "When the Sabbath was past" Luke 23:56 "On the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment" All of them say only one Sabbath was rested for. As for the Holy assemble which I have never heard called High Sabbath, but I am not that familiar with Jewish customs, it would be the first and last day of unleavened bread. Leviticus 23:7-8 "On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. But you shall present a food offering to the Lord for the seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work." The first day of Unleavened Bread was before the death, Matthew 26:17 "Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread." This is also stated in Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7. So this can not be the High Sabbath that you are talking about being on Friday, because it happened before the death. The timeline after that does not allow for the last day to fall on Friday either. Jesus foretells of Peter denial that night, after the first day of Unleavened Bread. Matthew 26:34 "Jesus said to him, 'Truly, I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times." This is also in Mark 14:30, Luke 22:34 and John 13:38. This shows that before the second day of Unleavened Bread will not come before Peter denies him. Right after Peter denies Jesus, the next morning, or the second day of Unleavened Bread, the chief priests and the elders gave Jesus over to Pilate. Matthew 27:1-2 "When morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death. And they bound him and led him away and delivered him over to Pilate the governor." This is also stated in Mark 15:1, Luke 22:66-23:1 and John 18:29. After he is handed over the Pilate that very day he is crucified, it is not as concrete as the previous, but I think it is fairly evident in all the gospels. I think Mark 15:6-20 shows it best. You could say that since the timeline is not so easy to see during this time, that Friday was the seventh day of Unleavened Bread and he was crucified on the sixth, or Thursday as in your timeline. For that to work he would have been handed over to Pilate on Sunday, because that would be the second day on Unleavened Bread, at least in your timeline. Take this as you will, but this is what I believe. Brother in Christ, Rex |
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5 | if Jesus died on Friday and rose Sunday | John | Searcher56 | 118615 | ||
Nisan 8 - 17 Events ........................... Nisan 8 (Th/Fr) - Jesus goes from Jericho to Bethany "Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany." (John 12:1). 8 (6) 9 (5) 10 (4) 11(3) 12 (2)13 (1) 14 (Passover) Passover is Nisan 14 (Exo 12:6-15) ----------------- Nisan 9 (Fr/Sa) - Sabbath - Five days before the Passover .... On the next day, "the great multitude therefore of the Jews learned that He was there (in Bethany); and they came, not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He raised from the dead." (John 12:9) While it was a Sabbath, people still could travel. ----------------- Nisan 10 (Sa/Su) - Lamb Selection - Four days before the Passover ... (Matt. 21:1-17, Mark 11:1-11, Luke 19:28-46, John 12:12-18) "On the next day the great multitude who had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took the branches of the palm trees, and went out to meet Him, and began to cry out, "Hosanna! Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel." (John 12:12-13) This "next day" is now known as Palm Sunday. "He left them and went out of the city to Bethany where he spent the night"(Matt 21:17). ----------------- Nisan 11 (Su/Mo) - Fig Tree Cursed - Three days before the Passover ... (Matt 21:18-22, Mark 11:12-18, Luke 19:47). On "the next day. . . ." (Mark 11:12). Also Matthew 21:18. Jesus cursed the barren fig tree and cleansed the Temple. ----------------- Nisan 12 (Mo/Tu) - Olivet Discourse - Two days before the Passover ... (Matt 21:23--25:46, Mark 11:19-13:37, Luke 20:1-21:38) The next day, "as they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up." (Mark 11:20) After a day at the Temple, Jesus gave His discourse on the Mount of Olives. Mark 14:1-2 is still the same day. Matthew 26:2-5 is a cross reference, verse 2 says "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be delivered up for crucifixion." ----------------- Nisan 13 (evening) (Tu) - At Simon's - One day before the Passover ... (Matt 26:1-16, Mark 14:3-11, Luke 22:1-6, John 12:1-7). That evening was the supper where Mary anointed Jesus for burial, and Judas went to the chief priests to betray Jesus. ---- Nisan 13 (daytime) (We) - Preparing for the Passover (Matt 26:17-19, Mark 14:12-16, Luke 22:7-13) The phrase "First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread" can begin as early as Nisan 13 when leaven is removed from the homes. ----------------- Nisan 14 (evening) (We) - Last Supper, Arrest and More (Matt 26:20-27:10, Mark 14:17-72, Luke 22:14-71, John 13:1-18:27) "When evening came" (Mark 14:17) The events after Jesus' arrest moved rapidly. He was brought briefly before Annas, and then led before Caiaphas and some elders. ---- Nisan 14 (daytime) (Th) - Preparation Day/ Killing of The Lamb (Matt 27:11-61, Mark 15:1-47, Luke 23:1-56, John 18:28-19:42) Mark 15:1 says "Very early in the morning." John 18:28 says the Jews had not eaten the Passover, which would be that evening, Nisan 15. He was buried before evening. ----------------- Nisan 15 (Th/Fr) - Guard at the Tomb (High Sabbath) (Matt 27:62-66) ... one day since His death (Luke 24:1) Now since the Jews had eaten the Passover, they could go back to Pilate. They knew what He said, so they could have requested this when they were there before. ----------------- Nisan 16 (Fr/Sa) - Weekly Sabbath ... two days since His death (Luke 24:1) ----------------- Nisan 17 (Sa/Su) - First Day of the Week ... three days since His death (Luke 24:1) |
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6 | if Jesus died on Friday and rose Sunday | John | EdB | 118623 | ||
I might add this is the only scenario that fulfills all the feasts that Jesus was required to fulfill. The Selection of the Lamb, The killing of the Passover Lamb. The complete removal of the Lamb from the house before Morning, three days and nights in center of the Earth, ascension fifty days later on Pentecost. I believe the true day was lost by church historians doing the time when the church tried to wipe out any aspect of Judaism blaming the Jews for Jesus' death. When they read The Sabbath they assumed a weekly Sabbath not realizing the Sabbath after Passover is considered The Sabbath John 19:31 or High Sabbath. I know there are a lot of explanations made in attempt to reconcile a Friday Crucifixion but they really don’t meet all the requirements and leave a lot of unanswered questions. The scenario Searcher addresses every concern and as it does fulfill every feast. Incidentally these feasts are known as the spring or sowing feasts the fall or harvest feasts have yet to be fulfilled. However we see their completion in prophecy of future events yet to occur. EdB |
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