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1 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | I-Heaven_bound | 102124 | ||
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2 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | shalor | 102125 | ||
(Rev 5:5-10 NASB) and one of the elders said to me, "Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals." 6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth. 7 And He came, and He took it out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. 8 And when He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, having each one a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy art Thou to take the book, and to break its seals; for Thou wast slain, and didst purchase for God with Thy blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. 10 "And Thou hast made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." (John 10:27-30 NASB) "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one." The Loin of the Tribe of Judah gives ETERNAL (that’s a long time) life. They shall never perish says ETERNAL again. And the Strong Grip of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah never let’s go. Don’t read into that how you are being held! He may have you by the ankles shaking You to get your attention |
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3 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102328 | ||
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Consider The Nation of Israel. How many times did they turn from the Lord? Through His infinant mercy He has always drawn them back. But what of those individuals who perrished durring their withdrawel? "He that overcometh." Are there not many who have sliped back into the grips of sin? One would say, "well they were not saved in the first place;" I would say that one should not be the first to cast that stone and make the judgement as to who was and is saved. God can not and will not loose what is His. Yet what is His has a "free will," and can, and have Backslid to sin and will perrish in the lake of fire. Salvation is salvation! Christ WILL NOT be crucified a second time for those not included in the statement "He that overcometh...." The Lion does give ETERNAL LIFE, but He does not force it on anyone. Not even the believer. He will never let go, but one can free himself from His grip. The "once saved, always saved" thought implies that once the lamb is in the flock and following the Shepherd, he has a fence around him. A fence which he can never escape and be devoured by the wolf. Scripture does not teach this thought. Quiet the contrary, scripture tells us to be ever watchfull... George |
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4 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | Hank | 102338 | ||
"He (Christ) will never let go," you say, George, "but one can free himself from His grip." ..... Then I take it that man is stronger than Christ's "grip" -- is that it, George? So God's gift of eternal life really isn't eternal, after all. Is that your position, George? --Hank | ||||||
5 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102372 | ||
My position, dear Hank is SCRIPTURE. As I have stated previously, God "forces" NOTHING on anyone. Not even those who have accepted His Son. Eternal life IS ETERNAL. ETERITY is forever, not bondage. To have something, one MUST accept something, and retain it as well. In the case of the "prodical son". Had that son died in the process of splurging his inheritance, would he have died within the will of his father? I think not. The father would have grieved because he loved the child, but he would have never condoned the childs action. Just like that prodical son, we all have to "accept" the will of the Father, and continue to live and strive to the best of our ability to be pleasing in His sight. I appologize. I do not believe "Once saved, always saved." I do believe that those who do believe this way believe dangerously. I believe in "Grace." No one can convince me that the man or woman who has served God all their life, and because of one of lifes tragedies fallen away from their belief, will enter the gates of heaven. For the righteous are not saved by their acts of righteousness. Nor are the sinfull condemned by their acts of sin. We are saved by the GRACE of God! "man is stronger than Christ's "grip" " This is a weak argument and totally outside of the context of my statement. It seems that some would state that once a "slave" to Christ, one CAN NOT escape. I would state that Gal 5:1 says "Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free..." Freedom is not bondage. Once saved, always saved is bondage to salvation. WILL NOT, I tend to agree with. CAN NOT is absurdity! and totally out of scripture. So it would appear that we are on the verge of saying the same thing. George |
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6 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | John Reformed | 102389 | ||
"Eternal life IS ETERNAL. ETERITY is forever, not bondage. To have something, one MUST accept something, and retain it as well." ---------------------------------------- You have life George, when did you agree to exist? And what power do you have to retain your existence? -------------------------------------- "In the case of the "prodical son". Had that son died in the process of splurging his inheritance, would he have died within the will of his father? I think not. The father would have grieved because he loved the child, but he would have never condoned the childs action." -------------------------------- The father in the parable is God. He cetainly could have saved the boy from death if that was His will. -------------------------------- "Just like that prodical son, we all have to "accept" the will of the Father, and continue to live and strive to the best of our ability to be pleasing in His sight." -------------------------------- I hate to say it George, but that sounds too close to "salvation by works" to me. ---------------------------------- "I appologize. I do not believe "Once saved, always saved." I do believe that those who do believe this way believe dangerously. I believe in "Grace." "No one can convince me that the man or woman who has served God all their life, and because of one of lifes tragedies fallen away from their belief, will enter the gates of heaven. For the righteous are not saved by their acts of righteousness. Nor are the sinfull condemned by their acts of sin." ------------------------------------- We are given life and are forced to live until we die. We are given eternal life, not on the basis of our will but God's (John 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.). Happily, with this gift of grace, we also recieve the gift of God's Spirit dwelling in us (Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,). But what does it mean to be "sealed in Him"? It means our security in Christ has been made an unalterable fact, cofirmed by God Himself. In olden times royal documents were sealed with a wax seal which had imprinted on it the signet of the King. No one, but the one to whom the document was intended for, could break that seal. Therefore, those who are sealed cannot unseal themselves. We were drawn by the Father and given to the Son and He said that we would be raised on the last day (John 6). Where I think you are going wrong is in your idea that any person who is in Christ may be anything but gratefull and happy for having recieved such a wonderfull gift. Those who fall from faith, fall from a faith that was false to begin with. Only the Spirit of God is able to have you see this; I pray that He will. To God be the Glory, Your Brother John |
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7 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | GeorJoy | 102411 | ||
Bro John, as I am sure you will agree, some simply can not or will not understand. Along with the few who have the nerve to "stand firm," I will not be swayed by the (opinions) of others when scripture plainly tells me contrary. It is apparent that you simply do not understand my argument. I understand where you are coming from and I wish you could truly understand what you read. Paul says not to quarrel about issues that are a matter of opinion. You have your opinion. I have mine. My opinion is based on scripture. I am sure you contend likewise. Considering the fact that both sides on this issue have been stated, and much opinion as to scriptural interptitation has surfaced, I should think that quarreling is the next phase. Thus I will rest my case and admit only to a draw, agreeing to dissagree. Humbly George |
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