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1 | Man of God | 1 Kin 13:1 | Beja | 224695 | ||
Inquisitor, You took a verse in Galatians and also Acts 15 and came to the conclusion that God doesn't want to micro-manage the details of how we do church, rather he just wants us to figure it out. This took some good bit of speculation and doesn't agree with the rest of scripture. I'll let Doc answer for himself but that's just what jumped out at me. How you go there was not exegesis but rather imagination. Jas 3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. In Christ, Beja |
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2 | Man of God | 1 Kin 13:1 | Inquisitor | 224696 | ||
If I gave that kind of impression, it's a great big mistake on my part. We CANNOT, we MUST NOT come up with imagination on the guidance as God gave in the NT. NO, NO, NO. Instead we must follow His Sacred Patterns such as the Day of Worship on Sunday, the first day of the week. Also we must imitate and follow the examples of the simple style of the elements of worship. I agree with you entirely. I meant for this discussion to be centered on the fact that we must inspect each other as you have done with me and make certain our words compliment with God's Word. This man of God in 1 Kings 13 (second in sequence) misrepresented God to the other man of God (first one) and he paid for it with his life. So we must see ourselves as vessels (messagers if you will) through which God's Light shines with His Words of salvation and His Son's body, the church. The imagination as mentioned in my post was merely an attempt to help visualize the confrontation between Paul and Peter. Again I agree with you, we MUST NEVER allow this kind of imagination to add to or take away from God's Word. And I would be the last person in the world to designate me as a teacher on this Forum. I hope this clarifies my position on this matter and God bless. Inquisitor |
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3 | Man of God | 1 Kin 13:1 | ariel levin | 224697 | ||
Dear Inquisitor, You said, " Instead we must follow His Sacred Patterns such as the Day of Worship on Sunday, the first day of the week." Reference please where He says Sunday, first day of the week or the passage shows conclusively that that is "His Sacred Pattern" (not a narrative, but a specific command and or action). Thanks in advance |
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4 | Man of God | 1 Kin 13:1 | Inquisitor | 224699 | ||
Luke 24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’” 8 And they remembered His words. 9 Then they returned from the tomb and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest. Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. 1 Cor 16: 1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: 2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. Now we can easily see why the first day of the week is so important to the first century christians as the Lord rose on that day just as He predicted in accordance with the OT prophecies. Then we see fulfillment of that guidance in the NT with obvious emphasis on the first day of the week in stark contrast to the Sabbath. On the subject of Patterns from our Lord: Phil 3:17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 1 Tim 1:16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. 2 Tim 1:13 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. Tit 2:6 Likewise, exhort the young men to be sober-minded, 7 in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility, 8 sound speech that cannot be condemned, that one who is an opponent may be ashamed, having nothing evil to say of you. Heb 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. One of the main themes we can see throughout both the OT and the NT is the fact that God has ALWAYS given mankind and His children guidance of one kind or another. For the ark, He gave Noah tremendous detail as He did for the Temple to David and Solomon. We all know about the tedious details (over 600 rules and regulations) God gave with the Law of Moses. BUT in stark contrast with the OT, the NT has minimal details, specific instructions and most of those from the Apostles who were commissioned to represent Christ in the first century, see below*. The decisions they made, i.e. Acts 15 with the blessing of the HS is most powerful. They issued a letter with only 4 restrictions, minimal details in contrast to the OT but of course they MUST be followed. *The Great Commission Matt 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Yes the title of this paragraph, "The Great Commission" is not part of the actual Biblical text but the message is clear. The Lord commissioned these men to represent Him to the world. Check the vast majority of commentaries and you'll see agreement on this concept. The bottom line is that Yes indeed there are Patterns in the NT to guide the Lord's church in this dispensation, the Christian age. I hope this helps in clarifying and God bless, Inquisitor |
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5 | Man of God | 1 Kin 13:1 | ariel levin | 224703 | ||
Dear Inquisitor, Thank you greatly for your effort, I can see you put much work into it. But the Luke passage simply states that He was risen by the time the women arrived (it could have been only 5 minutes before or as much as 6 hours before their arrival). And all the other passages are narrative. If you truly believe that God did away with the seventh day Sabbath, then that makes Isaiah 58:13-14 (and so many other passages) a lie! At the very least, this is a wonderful promise that is not for Sunday christians. And I refuse to believe that either of those statements are true. I only mentioned this to begin with because of the strong emphasis you had put on Sunday worship. I have no desire to try to change yours or anyone's mind about Sat. or Sun. Thank you for listening. |
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6 | Man of God | 1 Kin 13:1 | Inquisitor | 224723 | ||
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