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1 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | watchman on the wall | 221218 | ||
why did David take five stones in 1 Sam17:40 when he new he had God behind him. Would not one be enough? | ||||||
2 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | Beja | 221219 | ||
Dear watchman, Clearly scripture does not answer this. So I take it that you are inviting friendly speculation. Let me share something with you that might help you think it through. Faith trusts in God for the deliverence. Presumption assumes it will be easy. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | dono35 | 221254 | ||
It was told to me many years ago the 5 stones were chosen because Goliath had 4 brothers, who could have arrived to help his brother. No scripture reference. Bro don |
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4 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | meta | 221283 | ||
Hi Bro don, Goliath did have 4 brothers. 2 Sam 21:16-22 Then Ishbi-benob, who was among the descendants of the giant, the weight of whose spear was three hundred shekels of bronze in weight, was girded with a new sword, and he intended to kill David. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah helped him, and struck the Philistine and killed him. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall not go out again with us to battle, so that you do not extinguish the lamp of Israel." Now it came about after this that there was war again with the Philistines at Gob; then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Saph, who was among the descendants of the giant. There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. There was war at Gath again, where there was a man of great stature who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; and he also had been born to the giant.When he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimei, David's brother, struck him down. These four were born to the giant in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants. It is possible, perhaps even likely, that they were present at the killing of Goliath. It is also possible that David wanted to be prepared for them, however it seems unlikely that David was thinking of that. (just my opinion) Many events in scripture are played out prophetically or as types before hand. Abraham's offer of His son as a sacrifice and the ram caught with its head in the bush is a type of Jesus Christ being sacrificed in our stead. I believe that David simply picked 5 smooth stones to be prepared for anything and perhaps there were 5 very nice stones that he thought would be a perfect size and weight for his sling. I am not saying or implying that this happened. I am just pointing out possibilities. It is interesting that the mighty men of David killed the four brothers. Therefore David killed them. I firmly believe it was a prophetic occurrance that did bring about the death of the four brothers. Here is an example of a similar occurrance 2 Kin 13:16-19 Then he said to the king of Israel, "Put your hand on the bow." And he put his hand on it, then Elisha laid his hands on the king's hands. He said, "Open the window toward the east," and he opened it. Then Elisha said, "Shoot!" And he shot. And he said, "The LORD'S arrow of victory, even the arrow of victory over Aram; for you will defeat the Arameans at Aphek until you have destroyed them." Then he said, "Take the arrows," and he took them. And he said to the king of Israel, "Strike the ground," and he struck it three times and stopped. So the man of God was angry with him and said, "You should have struck five or six times, then you would have struck Aram until you would have destroyed it. But now you shall strike Aram only three times." |
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5 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | DocTrinsograce | 221290 | ||
Dear meta, While typology has been a popular subject over the last few decades, one particularly promoted by the prophecy mongers in our day, we need to be extremely careful about employing. We look, instead, to authorization elsewhere in Scripture to grant that authority. (Scripture is always the best interpreter of Scripture.) In the absence of that authority, we must be extremely cautious not to go places that the Scripture never intends to take us. Better to stay on the clear path. As has been said before, "If the plain sense makes good sense than avoid any other sense." It is perfectly permissible for us to say, "Scripture does not explicitly tell us why there were five stones. Since Scripture does not present the answer, we are being presumptuous in offering one." May the Lord help us to always say what Scripture says, never removing a thing that is said, and never adding things that are not said. We are on highly dangerous ground in doing either. In Him, Doc |
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6 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | meta | 221294 | ||
Hi Doc, Thanks for the input. I do think it is a slight over reaction to use terms such as "presumptuous" and "highly dangerous ground". First let me say that I have read many of your posts and have great respect for you and your understanding of God and the scriptures. You have a brilliant academic mind and a desire for truth and precision in dividing the word of God accurately. This is not flattery or patronization just an observation. Although this is typical of people with a certain personality type or gifting I have rarely seen it to the degree it is in you. You will no doubt have difficulty with that statement as it is not stated clearly in scripture. It is an observation. People with specific gifts and abilities often do not understand the gifts and abilities that are operating in others but not in them. Although I believe you will probably throw this out completely I still feel it is important to state. Now to deal with the facts. If I were to state with certainty what I thought the purpose of David picking up five smooth stones was, that would be presumptuous. I did not. I believe there is a liberty to look at possible meanings. In fact that it is profitable to search and question drawing conclusions but all the while differentiating between what scripture clearly states and what is just meditating on the scriptures and allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us into the truth. John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. AND 1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. AND Ps 145:5 On the glorious splendor of Your majesty And on Your wonderful works, I will meditate. AND Ps 77:12 I will meditate on all Your work And muse on Your deeds. As for "highly dangerous ground" If I were to draw on occult power and call it Christian ministry, that would be highly dangerous ground. If I were to lead someone to believe that something other than the work of the cross and our holy Savior Jesus Christ could bring salvation, that would be highly dangerous ground. So although I do respect your opinion I think I will pass on it this time. Respectfully Meta |
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7 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | DocTrinsograce | 221298 | ||
Dear Meta, I really appreciate the discussion and your observations. Thank you for the encouragements, too. We all develop bind spots -- consequently the Lord has blessed us with one another! A wise man loves rebuke (Proverbs 9:8b). I would be foolish, indeed, to treasure what my Lord has graciously taught me, and yet esteem lightly what He has taught others! :-) When I used the word presumptuous, I was not thinking of our modern usage of that word. I was thinking of our presuming on God. That is a malady for which we may all suffer (Psalm 19:13). Peter even identifies it as an aspect of walking in the flesh (2 Peter 2:10). God knows, and that more fully than even I know it, that I struggle with the flesh all the time. Consequently, I was not accusing you of being presumptuous, I was warning us all that we can presume on God easily, while thinking we are studiously, righteously, and correctly dividing the Word. Often, I forget the denotations and connotations of contemporary language. Some of this has to do with my upbringing, some of it because of my reading, and some simply because of my lack of linguistic skill. Furthermore, when I said "dangerous ground" I was, again, thinking about us all. When we add or remove from the Scriptures -- either directly or indirectly -- we get swamped in error. What I had in mind were the points I made in a post a few years ago (#158836) -- you might find the whole thread interesting. When you think about the heterodoxy that is so pervasive in our world, you can trace most of them to exegetical or eisegetical errors. John Calvin, accusations of others notwithstanding, when speaking on one Biblical topic or another would frequently say, "Beyond this, Scripture does not say, therefore I must not." At that point, he would stop and refuse to go further. I am convinced that there is no virtue or benefit in staying too carefully within such boundaries. After all, that is one of the essential aspects of sola Scriptura. One last point: There is great benefit in "searching and questioning" -- indeed, it is a scriptural mandate (1 Thessalonians 5:21). However, we must take great care in what we teach others. It is one thing, for example, for us to enjoy a private dialog in which we wrestle together with such things. It is quite another when we share that publicly. Our Lord will judge our every idle word (Matthew 12:36), God forbid that we should be numbered among those of whom Peter speaks in 2 Peter 2. Sadly, in my life, I have done just that! Consequently, I am zealous to own what I say, and to encourage others to own what they say -- that our words may rest upon the Rock, and not the shifting sands; that we may feed the sheep with the pasture they need, rather than lead them to indigestible astro-turf; that when our Lord comes, we may be known as faithful scholars of the kingdom (Matthew 13:5), rather than the unlearned and unstable (2 Peter 3:14ff). Thank you, again, to take the time to respond. It was very helpful. In Him, Doc |
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8 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | meta | 221337 | ||
Thank you Doc, I am encouraged. I still do not believe we are on the same track. I do believe that our tracks are a lot closer togeather than I thought before. I am very thankful to have the chance to hear your views. It is so refreshing and beneficial to know someone with such a love for truth and especially His truth. I am 60 years old this month and have been a Christian for only 32 of those years. I am not a scholar. I do however love truth and the scriptures. I believe that there are things that are revealed through scripture that are not only obvious. My faith is in God Himself. The scriptures are not a part of the Godhead. They are good and they are eternal but they are not God. If it were simply a matter of dissecting and analyzing data to come up with a clear understanding then we could put the scriptures in a computer and ask any question. We would be guaranteed an accurate and true answer. The scriptures are just that the scriptures. Jesus Christ is the Word of God. That is not the same as the scriptures. When Jesus said Matt 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" I do not believe that he was referring to the scriptures. Every word that has proceeded from the mouth of God has not been written down let alone canonized. It is the Holy Spirit that leads us into truth as previously stated. The scriptures tell me that I am one spirit with the Lord. They tell me that I am in Christ and that Christ is in me. They tell me that I am being transformed into the image of Christ and He is the very image of God expressed. I have more faith in God to lead and guide me and to perfect me than I do in the devil to deceive me. I also have great faith in His ability to do that with others. The word of God, who is Christ, lives in me. His word abides in me. It is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Rom 8:27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And again1 Cor 2:1-16 And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling,and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God. Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ. I know this is lengthy Doc but I want you to get a better understanding of what makes me tick. I do not believe that it is dangerous , certainly not "highly dangerous ground" to allow someone to see how my Lord, The living God, leads me into truth. Especially when I qualify it with "I believe" and not "God says" or "the scriptures tell us" This has been very beneficial to me. I am now podering on how Jesus and Paul used the scriptures. Did they adhere to scripture yes. Did they see more than what was on the surface and more than their contemporaries understood yes. How. By the Spirit of God. I need you Doc. We are members one of another. Thank you Meta |
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9 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | DocTrinsograce | 221388 | ||
Dear Meta, You wrote, "The scriptures are not a part of the Godhead. They are good and they are eternal but they are not God. ... I am now podering on how Jesus and Paul used the scriptures." (sic) Pondering that question is a worthy investment of time. Indeed, I would venture that it warrants a thorough study. Much rides on this question. I wish I had more time to spend on this. Perhaps I can return to it later. Here are a few thoughts: Were you aware that God places His Word above His own name? See Psalm 138:2. Of course, that will not seem so significant without understanding what a name meant to the Hebrew mind. Nevertheless, let me offer up a couple of verses... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (John 1:1-3 NASB) God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high... (Hebrews 1:1-3 NASB) This is more than a simple analogy. God is inseparable from His Word, just as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are inseparable. The Scriptures are more than just text, they are the very nature, character, authority of God. Sorry... have to head to bed. In Him, Doc |
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10 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | meta | 221404 | ||
Hi Doc, Great points Are all of God's words in scripture. Did he ever speak to any one on the earth that was not recorded in the scriptures. Obviously the answer is yes. The words of Christ for his entire life are the words of God, however they are not all recorded. In the beginning was the word. Not in the beginning was the scriptures, Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh not the scriptures made flesh. I agree God is inseparable from His Word and He is inseparable from the scriptures also. The Word made flesh is Christ Jesus. He is much more than simply the scriptures made flesh. The scripturesare referred to as The word of the Lord not The Lord. I worship God and I use the scriptures. I do not use God in the same sense as I use scriptures. We will discuss further Meta |
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11 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | DocTrinsograce | 221451 | ||
Dear Meta, Sola Scriptura is the basis on which Lockman translated the Scriptures. It is the basis of our forum -- see the Terms of Use. The approach you are using is not uncommon in the history of the church -- indeed, it has been a crucial aspect of debate for more than two millennia. Right up through today, it is a question that divides the liberal from the conservative. I can think of no better way to put than how the authors of Chicago Statement of Biblical Hermeneutics stated it (Article I): "We affirm that the normative authority of Holy Scripture is the authority of God Himself, and is attested by Jesus Christ, the Lord of the Church. "We deny the legitimacy of separating the authority of Christ from the authority of Scripture, or of opposing the one to the other. "This first article affirms that the authority of Scripture cannot be separated from the authority of God. Whatever the Bible affirms, God affirms. And what the Bible affirms (or denies), it affirms (or denies) with the very authority of God. Such authority is normative for all believers; it is the canon or rule of God. "This divine authority of Old Testament Scripture was confirmed by Christ Himself on numerous occasions (cf. Matthew 5:17-18; Luke 24:44; John 10:34-35). And what our Lord confirmed as to the divine authority of the Old Testament, He promised also for the New Testament (John 14:16; 16:13). "The Denial points out that one cannot reject the divine authority of Scripture without thereby impugning the authority of Christ, who attested Scripture's divine authority. Thus it is wrong to claim one can accept the full authority of Christ without acknowledging the complete authority of Scripture." In Him, Doc |
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12 | why five stones | 1 Samuel | meta | 221465 | ||
Hi Doc, I do not refute one single statement here. I do not in any way question the authority of scripture. I am not trying to be argumentative either. I believe that our tracks are parallel and very close to each other. Here are some facts. No commentary. I don't have time right now. Just an observation A thorough search of the scriptures will reveal that in the New testament that which is referred to in John 1:1 as "The Word of God" is never the same word as that which is used to translate the word "Scriptures". Mathew 4:4 is another word for "Word" Similarly in the old testament the word used to translate to "The Word of the Lord" (that came to Abraham or the prophets) is never the same as the word used for "The Law", The Commandment, or The Statutes". (The word scriptures is not found in the OT NASB.) Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. logos is used here. logos; from 3004; a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech:--account(7), account*(1), accounting(2), accounts(2), answer(1), appearance(1), complaint(1), exhortation*(1), have to do(1), instruction(1), length*(1), matter(4), matters(1), message(10), news(3), preaching(1), question(2), reason(2), reasonable(1), remark(1), report(1), said(1), say(1), saying(4), sayings(1), speaker(1), speech(10), statement(18), story(1), talk(1), teaching(2), thing(2), things(1), utterance(2), what he says(1), what*(1), word(179), words(61). And here2 Tim 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. here it is graphê; from 1125; a writing, scripture:--Scripture(31), Scriptures(20). Matt 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" here it is rhêma; from a modified form of 2046; a word, by impl. a matter:--charge(1), discourse(1), fact(2), matters(1), message(2), nothing*(1), remark(1), say(1), say say(1), saying(1), sayings(3), statement(6), thing(2), things(4), word(18), words(22). Thanks Meta |
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