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1 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | nosajrob | 14052 | ||
Thanks for your reply, bjanko. However, your arguement is an argument from silence. Not mine as rain is menioned in Genesis 2:5. It tells us in fact the reason ("for" by the way is a purpose statemen) rain was needed, and when God sent it. It was needed for growth of herbs, and sent when God had created man. That is the way it seems. No where does it say that it never rained until the flood. Does it? That is the assuption so many make. Rain was not the problem in the days of Noah. Judgment was. God used rain to bring that about. That it rained was not the judgment. People did not die because rain came. There was just so much of it. Rain itself is a good thing. People pray God will send the needed amount of it. People also pray that they will not receive to much of the good stuff. Thanks again. |
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2 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | bjanko | 14058 | ||
NOSAJROB Note: Thanks for your reply, bjanko. However, your arguement is an argument from silence. Not mine as rain is menioned in Genesis 2:5. BJANKO It is? Please show us. I see where the ABSENCE of rain is mentioned, but none of my Bibles mentions the presence of rain in Gen. 2:5. NOSAJROB It tells us in fact the reason ("for" by the way is a purpose statemen) rain was needed, and when God sent it. It was needed for growth of herbs, and sent when God had created man. BJANKO Again, this is quite odd. My Bible simply says that rain was ABSENT from the earth and it says that, at that time, a mist provided the moisture for the plants. The Bible does NOT say rain was sent when God had created man. You are arguing from silence (i.e., from something which is NOT in the text). NOSAJROB That is the way it seems. BJANKO "Seems"? Strange statement for someone who claims that he is not arguing from silence, but rather from solid "facts" which are supposedly in the text. NOSAJROB No where does it say that it never rained until the flood. Does it? That is the assuption so many make. BJANKO Neither does it say that it rained from the beginning and neither does it say that the rain of the flood was nothing new. The text mentions two items EXPLICITLY: 1.) rain's absence; 2.) how the rain's purpose was temporarily fulfilled by a mist that rose from the ground. That's what the text EXPLICITLY says. Claiming that the text says there was rain is an argument from silence. The text is SILENT about the existence of rain at that time. The text does say -- EXPLICITLY -- that rain's purpose was fulfilled another way (mist) and so it is not an argument from silence to say that there was no rain. It cannot be argued dogmatically either way, I believe, because it is one of the less clear passages of Scripture; but there is certainly more basis IN THE TEXT for postulating the ABSENCE of rain rather than its PRESENCE. Please note that the only way to postulate rain's PRESENCE is NOT from the text, but by bringing in the PRESUPPOSITIONS of science. I think Scripture is a sufficient witness for these things. Scientific presuppositions distort the text. |
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3 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | nosajrob | 14059 | ||
I know not what you are saying "PRESUPPOSITIONS of science". I did not mention science. In fact I have never read a scientific arguement concerning this issue. But then add what you will. I know nothing of why it should be entered other than if this unfounded fact is that important to you. What I do know is that there is no proof that there was no rain before Noah's day. I again submit that it was not rain that was the answer God gave to man's failure in Noahs day. It was judgment by rain. That in fact is true wheather it rained before or not. You are correct it is the absence of rain that is mentioned. Scripture does not, I repete does not say that it never rained until the flood. That is surely an assuption. Again the important thing is that God has in the past judged sin, and he will continue to do so. There is coming a judgment by fire. Remember, fire is a good thing. However, to be burned by it is not desirable. To be judged by it is a reality. |
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4 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | bjanko | 14065 | ||
Well, it sounds like you have the sin and judgment part down, but we were discussing rain. It is not mentioned, except for its absence, in Gen. 2. Since there is no evidence in Gen. 2 to believe that there is rain present, the "assumption" that there is rain is "read into" the text. This is because there is a presupposition that rain has always existed. This presupposition comes from our supposedly scientific knowledge of what the world must have been like. I know you did not mention science. That is why I called it your presupposition. I believe that if a person were not presupposing "scienctific" answers for this sort of thing, they would not also say with certainty that Gen. 2 says there was rain -- arguing from silence -- when it says no such thing at all. |
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5 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | nosajrob | 14067 | ||
It is your problem to deal with. I have better things to do. Keep your assumption if you please. Bye |
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6 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | bjanko | 14078 | ||
My problem? You raised the challenge to me, remember? Thank you for refuting me so directly and distinctly. Good luck with your "better things." |
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7 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | pixie | 23891 | ||
STOP IT!! The bible is not to be argued over. Whether it rained or not is SOoo minor although i'ts nice that people look to defend the questions that some skeptics might have. I personally think you need to get a grip of the TRUTH before you start entering a discussion board and obviously arguing. About the 2nd time hearing you two, I lost sight of the truth somehow and it made a stressful day even more so. In case you haven't noticed there are a whole lot of differnt beliefs in this world which unfortunately make for WARS. Knock it off!!! |
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8 | when did it rain for the first time? | Genesis | bjanko | 23949 | ||
I'm sorry to hear that you find these posts upsetting. It would be interesting to know if you had anything of substance to say about this topic, other than, "please don't argue about minor things." This IS a forum for discussing all aspects of the Bible. I would hope that you, too, see ALL of the Bible as important and worthy of discussion -- (rather than relegating some parts of it to being of minor importance). -- bjanko |
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