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|221||TKO, does God operate differently today?||Acts||Grace and Truth||49950|
|Let's not get upset, Steve! But let's be honest about God's Holy Spirit. You mention that you seen God's Spirit at work and that He working today! And that there is not where in the bible where things have changed as far as God's Holy Spirit goes. In the book of Mark 16:17-18, And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up sepents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Now how many believers you know can handle a deadly sepent? Or drink something deadly and live without going to see a doctor? These are the miracles the bible talks about. You also mention that there's no where the bible say that these things will end, the real thing is there's no where in the bible where it says they will last forever!|
|222||The gift of Tongues||1 Corinthians||Grace and Truth||49948|
Holy Spirit still works miracles
Every devout Bible student is aware of the fact that miracles have been employed by God in the divine scheme of things. By means of miracles, the creation and organization of the Universe were effected (Gen. 1; Psa. 3:6-9; Heb. 11:3). Additionally, when Jehovah commenced his process of progressive revelation, communicating his will to the human family, he documented the authenticity of the message with supernatural phenomena. Miraculous signs were designed to validate the written message (cf. Mk. 16:17-20). But the fact of the matter is, God is not exhibiting his power today in a miraculous fashion, and that is demonstrated by the following line of argumentation.
1. There is no occurrence in today world that even remotely resembles the kind of signs that are common to the New Testament record. Where is the person with an amputated body-part that has had such instantaneously and perfectly restored (cf. Lk. 22:51)? Where is the individual, four days dead, who has come forth from the grave (Jn. 11:44)? Who pays his taxes these days with funds recovered from a fish mouth (Mt. 17:27)? An examination of so-called modern miracles will reveal that they have virtually nothing in common with the type of signs described in the Bible
2. The allegation that the Holy Spirit is working miracles today is contrary to the explicit biblical teaching relative to the purpose for which miracles were given. As indicated earlier, signs were designed to validate the revelation of God1s will for mankind (Mk. 16:20; Heb. 2:2-4). When the revelatory process was concluded with the completion of the New Testament record, miracles were no longer needed, hence, passed away (see 1 Cor. 13:8-13). No one can consistently argue for miracles today without also contending that divine revelation is on-going, and the New Testament is incomplete.
3. The means for the reception of spiritual gifts in the Christian age are not operative today. Gifts, in the first century, were bestowed by means of Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 2; 10), and through the laying on of the apostles1 hands (Acts 8:17, 18; 19:6; Tim. 1:6). Since there is no Holy Spirit baptism today (Eph. 4:5; Mt. 28:19, 20), and as there are no living apostles, it is obvious that, so far as biblical evidence is concerned, no spiritual gifts are being given to believers today.
4. As suggested earlier, the New Testament explicitly affirms that the early church1s endowment with miraculous gifts was to be temporary; when revelation was completed, supernatural signs were to pass away (Eph. 4:11-16; 1 Cor. 13:8-13). See Jackson, 1990, pp. 114-124.
Direct operation in conversion
Denominationalists frequently contend that the Holy Spirit, in a direct and mysterious fashion, operates upon the sinner in the process of conversion. In his debate with N.B. Hardeman, the celebrated Baptist preacher, Ben M. Bogard, affirmed: The Bible teaches that in conviction and conversion the Holy Spirit exercises a power or influence in addition to the written or spoken word (p. 7). If the Holy Spirit operates upon the soul of the sinner independent of the written Word of God, why is it that not a solitary Christian has ever been discovered in those locales where the gospel has not been proclaimed? Why is it that tribes in primitive regions know nothing regarding the Lord Jesus, apart from the influence of biblical revelation? This circumstance is inexplicable in light of the foregoing theory.
Certainly it is true that the Holy Spirit is instrumental in the regeneration of those who are lost. But his influence is exerted through his revelation, the Holy Scriptures (see Eph. 6:17), and not apart from these documents. For example, it is by the Spirit that one is led to be immersed into the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13). Correspondingly, it is through the word that this identical result is effected (Eph. 5:26). In the conversion process, which is symbolically designated as being born anew (Jn. :3), it is by the agency of the Holy Spirit that the begettal is initiated. Yet note this affirmation: Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently: having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God. (1 Pet. 1:22, 23).
James declares: Of his own will he begat us with the word of truth (Jas. 1:18). With this fact, Paul agrees. The apostle describes the Corinthians as those who had been washed, sanctified, and justified by the Spirit (1 Cor. 6:11); and yet, he could declare in the same epistle: I have begotten you through the gospel (4:15). Clearly, the Holy Spirit, in leading honest people to the Lord, exerts his influence through the gospel message. To affirm that something additional is needed for salvation, is to rob the gospel of its power in the redemptive process (Rom. 1:16).
|223||information on speaking in tounges||Acts||Grace and Truth||49687|
|Paul was chosen by the Lord himself. So he fit right in Acts 9,22,26 chapters.|
|224||information on speaking in tounges||Acts||Grace and Truth||49657|
|Acts 1:21-22 Peter answered your question, (have companied with) (us) all the (time that the Lord Jesus went in and out "among US", Beginning from the BAPTISM OF JOHN, UNTO THAT SAME DAY THAT HE WAS TAKEN UP FROM US (MUST ONE BE ORDAINED TO BE A WITNESS WITH US OF HIS RESURRECTION). This is the definition of an Apostle from the Bible! One would have had to be there with Peter and the rest of the apostle! In order to be an (APOSTLE)!|
|225||The gift of Tongues||1 Corinthians||Grace and Truth||49655|
|If you notice in Ephesians 4:11 it mentioned five, but only Three are with us today! don't be alarmed we have the complete word of God! Apostles and prophets have passed on. If we keep the Word of God before us and teach and do what it says we will be alright. The Apostles and prophet have done thier part God's Word will do the rest (only if we follow it) and do what God wants us to do. Ephesians 4:12-32.|
|226||The gift of Tongues||1 Corinthians||Grace and Truth||49654|
|You know more than those who translated the (KJV). You say that I spend to much time on the issue of gifts, but when I sign on to this site that's the first thing I noticed. You talk about what God has for me! Grace and Truth is what he has for me. You can't have God's Grace without HIS TRUTH!!! You mentioned tongues as the least of all gifts, that's just what I have been saying. Spiritual gifts seem to the subject of this whole forum, take a look at what's being asked!|
|227||TKO, does God operate differently today?||Acts||Grace and Truth||49645|
|How can you say let's move on, when the question of spiritual gifts has not been answer by scripture from you or anyone with a question. Acts8:13-24 The spiritual gifts in the first centry was made posible through the laying on of hands ("Apostles hands") the third party was not able to do so! Also the Power came from God in Acts 2 and Acts 10. You have to admit that what people are calling the Holy Spirit today is a far cry from what was done in the first centry! Lets look at 1Cor 12:28-31 You all believe that God is still allowing gifts to be used the same as He did in the first centry, 1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles,then gifts of healings, helps,governments,diversities of tongues. vs.29 is what need to be understood here today. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? We know the answer to these questions is no! So when someone ask why don't I speak with tongues, the answer is 1Cor12:29-31. Those of you who know thier Bible on this matter need to speak out, to help those who don't understand this teaching. Some believe that there are apostles living today, and prophets, we know that's not true, but yet we let this belief about speaking with tongues go on and on. In this forum all were hearing about are (tongues), not working miracles and the other gifts, no one seem to look for the more (excellent way) Paul spoke about in vs.31 In chapter 13:10 he says when that which is (perfect) comes that which in part will be done away with, (of corse you don't want to hear this part). There was a problem of misuse of gifts in Corinth this is why Paul had to speak on this issue. 1Cor 14 the main point is for the church to edify each other. (EDIFICATI0N AND EXHORTATION AND COMFORT) vs.3 is what should be desired. The book of James lets us know we have the Perfect Law of Liberty James 1:25 This Law teaches us how it could be used and not abused. So instread of looking for God's Holy Spirit to speak in tongues, look to save soul through the Power of the Gospel.|
|228||when do I spake in tounges||Acts||Grace and Truth||49133|
|Are you listening to what Paul is saying? All that a child of God does should edify another, if you know someone is sick, and you visit them with songs, prayer, and incouragement from the Word of God, that may be your gift! I don't think you would try to heal them, because you're not a doctor are you? We will always have people in need of some kind of help, mental or phyical God gave us professionals, hospitals, etc. to help with the things we can't do ourselves. But in the church our gifts are the fruit of the Spirit found in Gal5:22,23; 2Peter1:5-10 This is how God's Spirit works in our lives! Not speaking in unkown tounges and things like that. Do you want bible answers to things like this? Check out this site: christian courier.com and pass it on to others please.|
|229||when do I spake in tounges||Acts||Grace and Truth||49102|
|We are to let the WORD OF GOD guide us, We worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. Remember What Jesus said, That an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign....Matt12:38-45
Be real to yourself, you know and I know that there's not a man alive that can raise the dead, or cause the blind to see, or restore an arm or leg. These are real miracles in the bible, this is what God allowed the first centry church to do.
I notest that the only gift that is desired most is to speak with tounges, why not desire to raise the dead, or restore sight to the blind. Can you through the spirit speak Japanese, Greek, never having studied these languages? I don't think so.
Just learn how to be a child of God, and leave the gifts where they are in the first centry.
|230||What was Paul's last miracle?||Acts||Grace and Truth||49028|
|Eph.4:5 say's there is one baptism! If spiritual gifts have not ceased, and there were nine gifts which ones still exist. AND I don't mean to be a hot rod. I'm just puzzled that so many people are hung-up on something that the bible say's was done away with after the complete word of God has been revealed. Unless we missed something some where. I'm one that trust God's Word and I seek to understand it as much as I can. I've been around people who say they speak in tounges, but what I heard just mock my Lords name. Tounges in the bible is speaking a language not your own.|
|231||when do I spake in tounges||Acts||Grace and Truth||49024|
|Why did you ask the question when do I speak in tounges, if you think you know already. What is speaking in tounges to you? Have you every in your life spoke a language you never studied? In Acts that's what they did!|
|232||when do I spake in tounges||Acts||Grace and Truth||48949|
|What you need to understand is that tounges were for a sign to the unbelievers. Believers today are not commanded or are required to speak in tounges. If you noticed in 1Cor 14 tounges is the least of all the gifts that God gave. Just keep on studying you bible, (1Cor 14:12,19,20,22,26,28,33. Please study your bible!|
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