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|21||OT via Jesus?||Matt 5:28||Tamara Brewington||205609|
I think that what we have here is that Jesus clarifies the scope of the law to include the alliliations of the heart.
When we look at the Ten Commandments we see ten things we are not supposed to be doing in obedience to God as if they are bad actions to take. Jesus goes a step beyond and tells us that sin is a matter of the intentions of the heart, and by attrition, God will not just judge our actions, but our hearts and minds. We tend to think of sin in terms of actions taken, as I say again, but we don't understand where sin begins, in an inside rebellion against God by placing something else inside where God shoud be.
I like Romans 1:18-32 a lot because it shows where all depravity begins, in setting up something to revere above God, anything we place above God and following God cause us to be given over to a depraved mind to sin, any kind of sin, not just gross sexual sin, but any sin is the action of depravity, and it starts in the heart and in the head doesn't it?
I like your transition of covenants, I think this is a correct view of the situation.
Jesus is about to go to Jerusalem in a few years and switch up covenants on us, He will replace and old one with a new one and also enhance and old one, the covenant of faith. No longer will any have to keep struggling with law to become righteous the righteous will have the law writen in their inward parts, in their hearts to do it.
God's Day To You, Tamara
|22||In desperate need.||Heb 11:1||Tamara Brewington||205566|
|23||Rabbis not paid?||James 3:1||Tamara Brewington||205558|
I have been taught that it is factual, but I don't know which books to point you to to prove that.
Apparently Rabbis as a matter of course did not take any pay for being Rabbis, it was seen as being dishonorable to do so, one was working for God not for pay. According to what I have been taught, which is by a pastor whose profession is as an historian, all Rabbis had a trade on the side that they learned from their fathers. In fact all men learned the trade of their fathers anyhow.
Paul was studying under Gamiliel in order to enter the Rabbinical in the sect of the Pharisees. Paul was a tent maker by trade a leather worker, which we know from Acts 18, and we know that for the entire time Paul was in ministry he worked for a living, unlike the other apostles; see I Corinthians 9. At that time in history a philosopher would be supported by a trade or a patron, or begging or by charging a fee for services, which Sophists did, but this was considered offensive for a philosopher or a teacher of religion to charge a fee. This was true of Greek culture and Jewish culture and of Roman culture. Paul supported himself always in all places regardless of donations by tent making, a carry over from his Rabbinic training days. See I Thessalonians where Paul sets the tone about how he views doing the work of God. See I Corinthians 11:7-12 for Paul's refusal to take money for his services for Christ. Paul is the only apostle who worked for a living and he was the only apostle who had been a former Rabbi too, where before he did not take any pay because he loved God and would not bring dishonor to His name, how much more now was he determined not to be a philosopher or teacher of Christ for pay in order to bring glory to God and not besmirch the name of Christ.
God's Day To You, Tamara
|24||Abraham inheriting the whole world?||Heb 11:8||Tamara Brewington||205545|
Welcome to the forum!
Check out Hebrews 11:8-10 - we have here that Abraham is said to have been sent out to receive an inheritance of land, a place, not the whole world... He went out and he was an alien looking for a city which has foundations in God, talking about faith here as well as the promised land. But he never found it see - verse 13 says these all died in faith without having received the promises.
See Genesis 12:1-3, here God promises that He will make Abram a great nation and in you all the earth will be blessed. But this is not about Abraham inheriting the earth at all, it is about his seed being blessed in the future and being a great nation.
Here is who will inherit the earth.
The righteous - Psalm 25:13.
The meek or the gentle - Mathew 5:5.
The blessed by God - Psalm 37:22.
The humble - Psalm 37:11.
The picture we get is that the saved inherit the earth - check this out you have to be made righteous by Jesus in order for God to say you are righteous, you are not truly humble till you bow down answer to God, you don't become truly gentle or meek until you get sanctified which takes getting saved first. So the saved inherit the earth.
God's Day, Tamara
|25||what about doing the work Jesus did ?||1 Cor 12:28||Tamara Brewington||205541|
|Sorry there I called you John!
But I hope to hear back from you about it all!
|26||what about doing the work jesus did||John||Tamara Brewington||205530|
|27||what about doing the work Jesus did ?||1 Cor 12:28||Tamara Brewington||205528|
That depends doesn't it? On whether or not those gifts could be said to still be operating in the church today for one. And if not, on what scriptural basis would we say not?
I also believe yes they are still operating, in fact I would broaden the scope to indclude every gift except Apostle as operating to day... Why not? The rest of the gifts could all be used to edify if we use Paul's description of how to use em in chapters 12-14 reading really particularly and carefully about the instructions about the specific way the body functions and how some of them more contraversial gifts ought to operate...
But back to the narrower scope you have given here.
People are still sick and still being demon possesed... So since there is a need out there for the gift why would there not still be there where with all to use the gifts in question to deliver from captivity?
That is why I mentioned being an apostle, there is no more need to pant the first church, the original church got planted as the begining of all churches, so that gift did not need to continue on and besides Jesus was giving that one out personally, at least to the recognized ultimate 12 by Acts 9.
It would follow then that since there is a need for casting out demons (just go to Africa and check out those Animists they need a lot of help with this, my pastor went there and saw some very strange stuff) that the gift is still operating because it is still needed... And people are still sick so there is still a need for laying on of hands on the sick...
What none of us like is the charlatons who misuse the guise of these gifts and go around doing the works of the devil in the name of Jesus and making a bundle of money. Which is why so many Evangelicals have rejected these gifts along with tongues and prophecy, because they have been misused and abused...
A whole lot of Christians actually do believe that people in the NT who were demon possesed were only mentally ill and that modern medicine would have resolved the issues. Like the boy with epilipsy and even the demoniac strange as that may sound.
I think James gives us a pretty good example of the laying on of hands for the sick by the anointing of oil. Some don't beileve in this because they don't see the point of getting anyone smeared with oil as conferring any healing, but only the confessing of sins to the elders and the prayers of the elders.
Penticostals are still using and practicing this scripture though... Although they use the oil for a number of things that I am not so sure are scriptural exactly the way they are doing it.
The disciples were laying hands on the sick and healing them (Hebrews 6:2) and ordaining folks to office by laying on hands.
I dunno John I heartily agree with you, but i wonder what the others here think? It would be good to get someone who disagrees in order to see the scriptures that would go with that viewpoint I say. That is why I love differences of exegesis, it can bring other light to a subject...
I bet most everyone else is at work or so...
God's Beautiful Day To You, Tamara
|28||water to wine?||John 2:1||Tamara Brewington||205508|
Well to start it was His first miracle, right?
And we have Mary encouraging Him on there as a sort of catalyst with Jesus saying, woman, what does that have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.
But somehow Mary goes on ahead with a plan and tells the servants to be prepared to do whatever He would ask as if she had not heard Him.
This is what they like to term as the beginning of Jesus minsitry and it is characterized by a miracle, which in itself is an interesting fact... Why start with this kind of miracle? Why not start with demon possesion instead? Or raising from the dead? Any of those would have made a bigger public entrance to His ministry.
We can difintely say that turning the water into wine was a great sign signifying His deity.
Interesting as well is that He called some disciples before performing this first miracle, or sign as John terms it. Although the first actual sign of Jesus diety is in the calling of Nathaneal where Jesus knows Nathaneal's business before being told and Nathaneal repplies, indeed you are the Son of God! So that makes it interesting that the commentators consider the water into wine as the first sign. Head scratcher...
One thing that is significant here is that this is the first time for His disciples to really get a taste of the type of work He was going to go about doing. This is His first public miracle and it was on a large scale with plenty of witnesses.
The fact that the headwaiter said of the wine that it was better wine; there were huge pots for purification of water, which had to do with mixing water with wine so the wine would not ferment, but this was not watered down water, it was pure wine, proving that it was not of the other batches sitting around.
Jesus calls His mother woman distancing Himself from her being His mother in begninning this minstry of His...
There is an allussion here to an OT prophecy that the Messianic age would be characterized by the free flowing of wine in, Jeremiah 31:12, Hosea 14:7, and Amos 9:13 so this event could be said to be in keeping with these prophecies...
Hope this helped, God's Day To You, Tamara
|29||"their" faith||Mark||Tamara Brewington||205501|
We can't read into the text what is not there, it does not say if it ws just his friends or him too. But I would tend to think that the man did have faith too because how else could Jesus forgive the man's sins unless he believed in Jesus and repented?
Hope this helped, God Bless, Tamara
|30||why would satan present himself to the L||Rev 12:10||Tamara Brewington||205499|
See Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salation, and power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before out God day and night.
Do you see that? That is talking about Satan the devil, coming to the thrown of grace both day and night to accuse the brethren to God to condemn them.
I Peter 5:8 Be sober of spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking to devour.
See that the devil goes prowling all around the earth seeking who to devour.
Now let's look at Job together...
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. The Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan asnwered the Lord and said, "From roaming around on the earth and walking around in it. The Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job?" For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."
The discourse goes on, but this is enough.
Satan had been going about the earth, walking around, prowling around, seeking whom he could devour. He comes to the throne as he would if he had someone to accuse, as he does day and night, but that day, he had no one to accuse...
God knows all about Satan and his ways, how he goes about seeking for someone to devour and how he shows up every day to accuse whomever he decived into falling. God sees that Satan is not accusing anyone that day, so God says, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."
Do you see what was happening here?
Satan had no one to accuse, but God wanted to challenge Satan to a duel of wills over Job.
Don't you think God knew that Satan would start off immediately and try to accuse Job of having it easy as the reason why Job stayed good?
That is why Satan says all those things about how God is protecting Job. But God was counting on that he would do that, God had a plan in mind. The plan was to allow Satan to hurt Job and test his faith by tempting him to curse God. God won the duel of wills.
The sons of men is an expression often found in the OT that meant angels. Satan went to the throne along with God's good angels for an audience.
Hope this helps, Tamara
|31||Was it the influence of||Ex 33:11||Tamara Brewington||205473|
|32||Was it the influence of||Ex 33:11||Tamara Brewington||205472|
Number of things going on here...
The Bible says, no man may see His face and live right?
The Bible also says God is a spirit right?
Question for you; did or did not Moses see God in the burning bush and speak with Him face to face?
In what way did Moses see God in the burning bush?
This is called anthrompomorphism - this means God deals with humans using modes of revelation that man can understand in human terms.
Moses saw what appeared to be God in the burning bush, the Jews call this the Angel of God, a likeness of God where God is there for real speaking, but showing himself to men in a likeness of Himself.
So when we say that Moses spoke to God face to face, God was really there, and most times as an invisible spirit, and someitmes the presence of the cloud would come and engulf the place where Moses was standing there talking to God.
It was not a metaphor for God's thoughts in Moses mind, they met for real often and spoke as if face to face, Moses according to the Bible was hearing God's voice out loud in the air. This is what is meant by speaking face to face.
An interesting study is Exodus 34 where Moses goes up the mountain to speak to God. Moses goes up and is engulfed in a cloud with the presence of God in it. Moses asks God if he can be allowed to see His glory in Exodus 33:18 and God says in verse 20-23 that He will put Moses in the rock and cover him with His hand and that Moses will see God's glory and that Moses will see His back.
Moses asked to see God's glory, God speaks back in anthrompomorphic language saying He has a hand and a front and a back. But see God is a spirit, He may not have a hand or a back or a front, but that is up for debate because angels are spirits and they have spiritual bodies with fronts, backs, sides, hands, wings, and some have four fronts and no backs. So it is possible for God to have a spiritual body with hands, front and back, but we have no proof that this is so.
We do know that what Moses asked to see was God's glory and that God was saying no man can see His face and live and that God said, I will let you see my backside. God meant the backside of His glory, which is what Moses asks about, His glory.
So in Exodus 34 Moses is covered somehow by God, whether it was a real hand or a figurative hand as God's power to cover Moses and then Moses saw the tail end, the back side of God's glory.
Some like to say it was the length of time that He was up there with God, or the quality of the relationship, but that doesn't add up. Moses had a quality relationship with God for a long time and Moses spoke to God face to face all the time, the only real difference between those times and this time was that Moses saw God's glory, the back end of it. This surely means that at least we can say God actually has a back and a front to His glory as a spirit. After Moses sees God's glory, he is suffused with God's glory and he goes back down the mountain with hi face shinning.
Hope this answers it.
God's Day To You, Tamara
|33||Was it the Holy Spirit dictating?||Ex 33:11||Tamara Brewington||205470|
Welcome to the forum!
II Peter says this about what you are asking...
:20 for no prophecy was ever an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
And Paul says;
II Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.
The first scripture there is clearly saying that all the men who have given us this word we have were moved by the Holy Spirit to speak from God. So that would include every writer both OT and NT.
The second scripture there is saying something interesting in the original Greek. It is saying all scripture is God breathed, literaly, God blew out the scriptures, God inspired the scriptures. That means that according to the first passage that it is the Holy Spirit who is God who is the one blowing out scripture to man.
This is called plenary inspiration - this means that all scripture is inspired by God in that every word is inspired by God, not dictated to men, but every word is the inspired word of God. God used these men and their particular personalities and natural abilities to write thes thing in their own wording, by that very wording is inspired completely by God and is not of their own invention, although it is not dictated. God did not speak in their minds and tell them, write this, nor did He speak out loud dictiating exactly how to write what He had in mind. He told some of them to go write these things down, but did not say specifically go write this, go write that. He did inspire them what to say, not how to say though.
Hope this clears it up!
God's Day To You, Tamara
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|34||is it's possible to stop the will of God||Bible general Archive 4||Tamara Brewington||205458|
Those were some interesting answers indeed indeed!
Quote; Theology of Prayer, 202P Final, by Tamara Brewington, pg.1,2;
The Lord is immutable, He does not change, He is omnipresent, He is omniscient and is in control of whether or not things will change. "If God cannot change, then why should we pray?" (SYSTEMATIC THEOLGOY, by Norman D. Geisler, pg. 85, par.6). "God is omniscient and an all knowing being cannot change His mind" (SYSTEMATIC THEOLGOY, Norman D. Geisler).
God allows what He has ordained as a means of accomplishing His purposes, and God has forordained everything that happens because He has complete control of everything that could ever happen, or does happen.
"Prayer is not a means of getting our will done in heaven, but a means of God getting His will done on earth" (SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY, Norman D. Geisler, pg. 86, par. 1). Some would arugue that there are instances where God, "changed His mind" as if He decided that something He did not intend was now something He did not intend simply because man imprecated on Him and then saw a change. That change, however, had to have always been in God's plan, or else God is not perfect in character and omniscient. God never decides that His own will is wrong; even when God stated that He repented when He made man in Genesis 6:6 His omnipotencce must factor in. God always knew man would sin and He always knew that He would be sorry He made man, or else God is not omniscient and omnipotent. God was never out of control of man, He has always had the power to effect His will over man, it was never possible that man could do something to make God change His actions because God is omnipresent, omnipotent, every where at all times and all powerfull. The only possibility that remains is that we are unable to see what the will of God is in our sinfull state and that our cirucumstances are subjective to a relative finite exsitence. Our existence in the universe is finite and only relative to the will of God, we live in a subjective reality under the sovereignty of an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent Holy God who exists in an objective reality in an infinite realm both inside and outside this finite univers. His existence is eternal, immutable and His will is unchangeable, therefor there is no such thing as our prayers actually changing anything as the popular saying goes; we are only ever able to finally be in a position with Him to grasp His Holy will, pray it and receive what appears to be change.
God only appears to change His mind from our relative subjective fallen understanding of God's will in events. God is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow and He does not change...
God's Day To You, Tamara
|35||study questions for john chapter5||John 5:1||Tamara Brewington||205453|
Welcome to the forum!
Here are some techniques for you that are tried and true and are used by lay people, pastors, theologians, and are taught in numerous books.
1)Read the passage thoughtfully, read it repeatedly, read it at one sitting, read it over again.
2)Read the passage in another translation, read it out loud to hear it.
3)Read the passage patiently, read the whole thing, go back and read if for its parts for the fourth time.
4)Read the Bible selectively, who, what, where, when, why, what difference does it make.
5)Read the passage the fifth time and pray it through in its parts add libing a prayer as you go.
6)Read the passage a sixth time looking for words that connect the parts, assess the passage as being part of the book it is in and what the whole book is saying (a commentary will help with this), look at the historical setting this took place in.
7)Take the passage you have now read six times and in a notebook make observations starting from the beginning in a numbered list, make them into questions after you do this, go back and start asking questions you don't know the answer to yourself and study the passage to find the answeres and write the questions and answers down.
I don't mind walking you through this it is okay, you are having trouble and asked for help.
Let's start from the beginning, number ;
4)Who; Jesus, a lame man, the Pharisees, , what; healing a man, claim to deity, where; the Bethseda Pool, when; on the Sabbath, why; to incite the Pharisees by healing a man on the Sabbath and by making Himself equal to God, what difference does it make; Jesus has the power to heal us, Jesus is God and has 4 witnesses.
a)The crowd followed Jesus because He was doing miracles on the sick.
b)A man was there for 38 years who could not get into the water to get healed.
c)The Jews were angry because Jesus healed on the Sabbath.
c)The man did not know Jesus healed him.
e)The Jews were out to kill Jesus because He claimed to be equal to God.
f)Jesus spoke of the two resurrections.
g)There are 4 witnesses about who Jesus is.
Now it is your turn, take these observations I made for you and turn those into questions.
Now, go back on your own and come up with questions that you don't know the answers to and try to answer the questions using the information in the passage.
Now, go back and make some more observations that are obvious that I did not make, try to come up with ten of them, make these into questions.
Excersize for you, what events are pivotal to the story part of this passage which move the story from one part to the next.
Excersize for you, what words appear over and over in this passage, these words will show you something about the meaning of the text, make questions from these.
Now you have a whole lot of questions about this passage don't you?
A professor once had a smelly fish and laid it on a table in the lecture hall. He told his students to stand over the smelly fish and make observations and write them down. He did this for three days straight and his students came up with 600 observations altogether from one smelly fish.
I guaruntee you, if you take this same passage and do this excersize over and over and over, you will keep on coming up with more observations and more questions.
Bible study is an art, practice your strokes and you will get good at it!
Keep asking questions that you have dear.
God Bless You.
|36||Divorced Do Christians Get Married?||1 Cor 6:9||Tamara Brewington||205401|
|Dear kwame adu,
Note for john forgive me John, this deserves an answer...
According to what you are saying she was not married at all when she had a child?
You are both believers who repented of past sins?
Am I understanding this correctly?
You are free to be married! Is it not so my dear brother in Christ!
We have been dialoguing and studying back and forth about what would happen if you were married before, got divorced and then married...
Yours is not the case! Happy life for you! Be blessed my brother! Enjoy being head of your family and raising her child as you would your own!
Here is for you;
1)Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her (have a sacrificial love for your wife and put her every need first).
2)so that He (Christ) might sanctify her (your wife), having cleansed her by the washing of the word (teach your wife the Bible, study with her).
3)That He (Christ) might present to Himself the church in all her glory , having no spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that she would be blameless (you are preparing your wife for Christ by leading her, taking care of her, teaching her how to walk with you and God).
4)So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; (what ever you would do to ensure your own well being; feed her, clothe her, house her, send her to the doctor and the dentist; take care of her).
5)for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes it and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, (you cannot neglect your wife, she is one flesh as part of you, you have to take care of her with the same type of care Christ gives the church, in order to do this you will have to study Christ Himself and how He handled Himself in the Bible).
6)because we are members of His body (you are belivers together, each one of you needs the gifts of the other as husband and wife as part of the body of Christ).
7)For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh (you must not involve your parents, or her parents in your private marriage affairs of every day living decisions, do not go running to mom for advice on your marriage or your dad, go running to the Bible and the elders of your church when necessary for wise counsel, you are one person with her, not with your parents).
8)This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church (marriage is the closest relationship that a human can have after their relationship with God, you are one with Christ, second, you are one with your wife, treat the relationship as what it is, not a love relationship first and foremost, but as a covenant between God, you, and your wife in that order - all of God's covenants must be ratified and no covenant is ratified (made valid) until one is dead, all of God's covenants were ratified in blood by the death of the mortal participants -that is why Jesus had to die to bring in a new covenant and why He had to do it by blood - that is also why you will see that the Bible says a wife is bound to her husband until he is dead - the marriage covenant with God is not ratified until death and the shedding of blood (everyone's blood does sink to the ground at death) occurs, then the covenant with God has been validated, this is why it so very serious to break the covenant before death, it has not been ratified, made valid).
9)Nevertheless, each individual among you is to love his wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband (you are told again to love your wife).
See Ephesians 5:21 as well - you are co-heirs of Christ, equal in inheritance of the things of God and you should give way to one another in all things.
See Ephesians 5:22-24 you wife only has three things to be doing compared to your 9, the whole responsibility of how the marriage turns out rest on you, don't complain about your wife, get on your knees and go above your own authority over her and seek God's authority over yourself, get yourself in line with God first before bringing her in line to you and to God. Trust me, it will work, headship is a God concept, adhere to it and God will honor that and He will work on you and then, your wife for you and through you.
Notice God tells your wife to respect you three times in different ways, and He tells you to love her in 9 different ways - God knows what He is doing; your wife needs love, you need respect. Of course you are to love and respect one another, but notice God's guidelines that He has in mind for you; it fits His plan for you to be one person who will worship Him together and it fits your personal needs as man and woman. God is wise, trust His counsel from this word of Ephesians.
God's Day To You, Tamara
|37||is caron 14 completly accurate?||Bible general Archive 4||Tamara Brewington||205363|
Carbon dating has that after 5,730 years the carbon breaks back down into nitrogen, and then after another 5,730 years it breaks down again cutting things in half, and then again in 5,730 years breaking it down to a quarter and so on.
That is why it is only accurate up to 5,730 years, beyond that it is not very accurate. What scientists have done is to measure the amount of carbon in the air now and taken that to mean that a certain amount at a certain level should be present in dead organic material.
What they have failed to do in making a measuring tool is to measure the level in organic material now that is comparable to the organic material from then inside the organic material instead of in the air. They are assuming that the level in the air is the same as in organic material without testing to see if this is true.
God's Day To You, Tamara
|38||About the Forum and Bible Study.||2 Tim 2:15||Tamara Brewington||205334|
|If I have all knowledge and have not love, I am as a resounding cymbal and I am nothing.|
|39||Why did satan dispute over moses body||Bible general Archive 4||Tamara Brewington||205310|
Quote, MacArthur Bible Commentary, John MacArthur, pg.1983, par.1;
:9 Michael...archangel. The chief angel of God who especially watches over Israel (Dan. 10:13,21; 12:1) and leads the holy angels (Rev. 12:7). Nowhere else in scripture is this struggle over the body of Moses mentioned. Michael had to fight Satan to do God's bidding, a he did on other occasion in Daniel 10:13 (see note there). the devil. Another name for Satan which means "accuser" or "slanderer" (cf. Rev. 12:9,10). body of Moses. Moses died on Mount Nebo in Moab without having entered the Promised Land and was secretly buried in a place not known to man (Deut. 34:5,6). It would likely be that this confrontation took place as Michael buried Moses to prevent Satan from using Moses' body for some diabolical purpose not stated. Perhaps Satan wanted to use it as an idol, an object of worship for Israel. God sent Michael, however, to make sure it was buried. This account was recorded in te pseudepigraphal Assumption of Moses (see Introduction: Interpretive Challenges).
Hope this helps, By His Grace, Tamara
|40||Love One Another And Be Bereans.||Acts 17:10||Tamara Brewington||205291|
|May the grace of God and the love of the bethren abound.|
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