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|141||"him" refers to which one?||Mark 9:42||stjohn||219187|
Well, Sister Azure, in English, I don't think it would support the version you've heard lately. I can see the 'remote' possibility, where someone would or could come up with that scenario, but it's quite a big stretch from what the context and the gist of what the word is saying here in this passage. I believe God is saying here to carefully watch what we do and say to a little one who is impressionable and trusting of adult's. So it is very wise to be very careful to give out the word 'as is' not convoluting or embellishing it for our own desire, so that anyone, but especially the 'little ones' may not stumble and lose faith, or that one who causes such as these little ones to stumble, pay the consequence! If the little ones or any believers do stumble, of course God will be gracious and forgive, but for those who cause them to stumble, and especially on purpose, or for selfish reasons or worldly gain of any kind... it will be very bad for them indeed. Gill writes that it (those who believe) means adults only, because of the inability of infants or the very young to have reason and maturity enough to truly believe and trust in God, but I don't really get that from the text, or that it could refer to those who are quite that young, or from the reality of the mater that there is a Child in their midst while He (Christ) speaks (Mark 9:36, Matt 18:2) so it stands to reason that He is talking about Children and not only adults who believe; also the reality of the many, quite young, children that are found to be truly in Christ. So, Azure, I guess the short of it is: I don't agree with the version that the, ('him' that has been given the millstone necklace and thrown into the sea) could possibly mean the 'little ones' who believe) I don't think it fits grammatically, contextually, or doctrinally, though there is a very slim possibility for the latter version. Another -and big- reason for me to reject that scenario is, it's just too complicated, and I don't think God ever intended His word to confuse, but only edify. As Dr. Ironside used to say: "God don't put the goodies on the top shelf where His kiddies cant reach them." :-)
|142||"him" refers to which one?||Mark 9:42||stjohn||219178|
|Dear Sister Azure,
I'm not sure if I understand your question, and
I don't know much about the kione Greek, but from English, and indeed from knowing what God's word says about His heart toward His own, and especially the 'little ones'. I cannot imagine that it could mean any other then, the one who causes the little one to stumble, he would be the one who received the millstone necklace. I've never heard any other explanation or thought there could even be one.
Just my two cents.
I hope it helps. :-)
|143||Acts 2:1||Lev 23:15||stjohn||219127|
|Yen, I did some checking around and though I don't remember for sure if this is the place I got the info, it does seem to fit. I've done a lot of research on the Sabbath (many, many hours of reading) and if memory serves this dusty old brain there are a lot of sites that have very similar info.
|144||Acts 2:1||Lev 23:15||stjohn||219126|
|Thanks Yen! :-)
Yes it was an oversight, and taken from an old post so I'm sorry but I just don't remember where I got it from. I think I do remember that I had to do a bit of editing to fit it on the forum, but it was gleaned for another source.
Thanks again for pointing that out.
|145||Acts 2:1||Lev 23:15||stjohn||219118|
Below is some information that I hope will increase your understanding of the Sabbath rest.
The Sabbath was a command given specifically to Israel.
There is no biblical record whatsoever of anybody keeping the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16 (Neh. 9:13-14). Even after they received the full-blown Sabbath command (Ex. 20:8-11), Israel who often condemned the sins of her pagan neighbors, never criticized their violation of the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was part of Godís ceremonial law and not grounded in His unchanging character.
The Sabbath was a ceremonial law given specifically to Israel, not grounded in Godís unchanging nature. Similar to the entire old covenant, it has been fulfilled and brought to completion in Christ (Mt. 5:17). If David had a right to make an exception in the ceremonial law, Jesus had more (Mt. 12:1-8; c.f 5:21-48). Even Jesus said," The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath" (Mk. 2:27). Moreover, He called Himself the "Lord of the Sabbath" (Lk. 6:5).
The Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant
(Ex. 31:16-17; Neh. 9:14; Eze. 20:12). Because we are now under the New Covenant we are no longer under obligation to keep the Old Covenant, particularly the sign of the Old Covenant. The writer to the Hebrews remarked, "When He said, ĎA new covenant,í He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear" (Heb. 8:13).
The New Testament nowhere commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.
The church is warned of many sins in the New Testament, but breaking (or observing) the Sabbath is never mentioned. The book of Acts mentions the Sabbath nine times, never once as a day of worship for Christians. If anything, the Apostle Paul rebuked the Galatians for attempting to add the observance of days to the sufficiency of Christís work for salvation (Gal. 4:9-11). The church even changed their day of worship from Saturday (the Jewish Sabbath) to Sunday (the Lordís Day) (Ac. 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2) to show that a new order had been erected with the resurrection of Christ (Jn. 20:1, 19).
Jesus Christ through His redemptive work regained the Sabbath that Adam lost.
Jesus Christ came to complete a redemptive work (Jn. 4:34; 5:36) by restoring the rest that was forfeited in the Garden. In following the same pattern for the first creation, Jesus Christ began the work spoken of in Genesis 3:15 (c.f. Gen. 1:3). He completed the work on the cross (Jn. 17:4; 19:30; c.f. Gen. 1:5). The work was met with Godís satisfaction by the resurrection and ascension of Christ (Rom. 1:3-4; Gen. 1:4) leading again to divine rest (Heb. 10:11-12; c.f. Gen. 2:1-3).
The Sabbath was a sign that pointed to something greater.
Like much of the Old Testament, the Sabbath pointed to Jesus Christ. The Old Testament Sabbath preached the gospel when it called for faith and a cessation of work (Rom. 4:4-5). We dishonor our Savior when the signs still receive the preeminence that He alone deserves. Now that Jesus is here, the signs have become obsolete (Heb. 8:13). The Apostle Paul said, "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ" (Col. 2:16-17). Jesus is the new Joshua that leads Godís children to a greater Promised Land of rest (Mt. 1:21). Jesus is the new Sabbatical Jubilee (Lev. 25:8-10) that provides a greater cancellation of debts (Lk. 4:18-19).
Jesus Christ has now become the Sabbath rest for Christians under the New Covenant.
God has completed His work of the new creation. Christians are the first fruits of that creation (2 Cor.. 5:17; Gal. 6:15). Our rest, as it was enjoyed by Adam everyday, has again been restored. During this life we still deal with some remnants of the curse, but we recognize our rest in Christ (from meritorious works) through faith and daily worship (Col. 3:17). Due to His redemptive work, He has become our Sabbath rest. Jesus said, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light" (Mt. 11:28-30; c.f. Heb. 4:1-11).
The Christianís ultimate Sabbath rest will be enjoyed in heaven
(Rev. 14:13; c.f. 14:11). Though we currently rest in Jesus Christ under the New Covenant, our supreme Sabbatical rest will be realized in heaven where we will enjoy the ultimate rest in the culmination of Godís new creation (Rev. 21:4; 22:1-2) away from the curse in the direct presence of the Lamb (Rev. 22:3).
also see: http://ldolphin.org/sabbathrest.html
I hope this will help you with your understanding of the rest we have in Christ, who is our sabbath rest. We are in Christ and "He" is our rest, forever, in Christ!
|146||Acts 2:1||Lev 23:15||stjohn||219114|
Sorry I wasn't clear.
We are in the public view as we speak. What I'm talking about are the comments you made in your user profile which is also accessible to all registered users and therefor in public view. Simply look to your left and under "Actions" clic on "Update User Info" or you can clic on your username to get to your profile and then access "Update User Info" at the bottom of your profile page. Sorry about the confusion it's my fault in communicating.
|147||Acts 2:1||Lev 23:15||stjohn||219111|
|148||"Holy" - position or quality?||Bible general Archive 4||stjohn||219046|
Thats an interesting user name. Are you a Curmudgeon? If so this may not be the place for you. We actually prefer people who are not ill-tempered, difficult, cantankerous or full of resentment and stubborn notions. So I would certainly hope the name is just being used in jest. :-)
Welcome to the forum, by the way. :-)
To your question: I'd say the person who said that holiness is positional and qualitative would be correct. Here is something from Easton's Bible Dictionary that I hope will clear it up for you.
Holiness, in the highest sense belongs to God (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 15:4), and to Christians as consecrated to God's service, and in so far as they are conformed in all things to the will of God (Romans 6:19, 22; Ephesians 1:4; Titus 1:8; 1 Peter 1:15). Personal holiness is a work of gradual development. It is carried on under many hindrances, hence the frequent admonitions to watchfulness, prayer, and perseverance (1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 4:23, 24)
|149||that I might gain themthat are without||Luke 14:23||stjohn||218988|
I happen to be one who often will go to dark places, such as taverns or, homeless camps where lots of dark activity and talk is going on, but I'd never duck from someone I knew so that I would not to be seen. If you are looking for an opportunity for witnessing to the lost, sometimes you have to go where you find lots of lost people. There is nothing and no one you should hide from if you are doing God's work. If that someone has something against what you are doing or where you are doing it it's there problem not yours and you should hold your head up high.
These are sometimes difficult concepts to understand, but what shall we say of the members of the Sanhedrin that blasphemed against the Holy Spirit by attributing Jesus' power to the Devil? (John 10:20)
Matt 12:31b " but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven."
Also in light of John 17:9 and all of chapter 17 we can see that Jesus does not pray for the whole world, only for those who the Father has given Him. See also John 10:26 wherein Jesus tells the Pharisees unequivocally that they are not His sheep. Also, Isaiah does not say all, but many. There is a big difference between "all" and "many". So the Scriptures used here do not really support the forgiveness of the sins of all men, (consider too the son of perdition) though the work done by Jesus on the cross did indeed "atone" for all sin, it does not imply however, nor do I think we can infer from Scripture that all sin of all men will be forgiven, so it seems unlikely that Jesus would pray for those who will not be forgiven because they have already committed and are indeed guilty of commiting the unforgivable sin. Besides being futile, it's getting a little close to universalism.
|151||Creation of Angels||Ex 20:11||stjohn||218877|
Constraining God to time? Not at all. Remember there are three heavens. Heaven, spoken of in Exo is singular. God's timeless spiritual abode was probably there already, according to what God says to Job. I get the feeling He would say pretty much the same thing to us too! :-)
|152||how long did samuel judge israel?||1 Samuel||stjohn||218789|
|None taken! :-)
It just seemed a little strange. ?
|153||how long did samuel judge israel?||1 Samuel||stjohn||218783|
How, pray tell, can someone follow advice to do their own research, after they have be given the answer-?!
I guess it'll serve though, since it is incorrect. :-)
Keep reading through the chapter and I think you'll see the answer.
|154||Eating in the Sancturary?||Lev 10:18||stjohn||218769|
You say you've never eaten in the sanctuary?
I suppose I may be splitting fir's, but... How about the Eucharist? Don't we all partake in the Lords Table in the so called, sanctuary? :-)
|155||Bless this house||Ps 112:1||stjohn||218765|
|Thank you Azure, I hope you had a peaceful and blessed day with your family.
|156||number 5 means in the bible.||1 Sam 17:40||stjohn||218643|
|Dear Brother, WOS,
I agree, and I also think Searcher made a good case With good scriptural support. He just didn't add anything or explain it any differently then in his first post. Which again, I do agree with, I certainly was not in any disagreement with us 'not' forcing scripture to say what it doesn't say. That was not my point. I guess I should have been more clear about that.
|157||number 5 means in the bible.||1 Sam 17:40||stjohn||218636|
I hope you don't mind my stepping in here but, you are just repeating yourself with the same points you made in your previous post. I guess if you don't have anything to add then you have made your case. I think we can all agree though that 5 mostly means 5, but the Bible sometimes does put special significance to certain numbers, and I also think we all agree that we should not put too much time in studying biblical numerology because it can take our focus off the important message of the gospel. You also ask if scripture was provided. Well I guess you missed it because it indeed was. 1 Sam. 17:40; Matt. 14:17; Ex. 26:3; Lev. 26:8
|158||scripture, key words for tree of life||Gen 2:1||stjohn||218629|
|"Also, why are you at witís end? Do you have a concordance? Have you heard of E-Sword?"
I'm taking a wild guess, but maybe a student, conning some one else to do their research for them? Usually in a case like this where its not so clear, I'll just point them in the right direction without actually giving them the answer.
|159||Why is this verse here?||Luke 6:40||stjohn||218584|
Well quite simply, Mat 15:14, Luk 6:39 are both speaking of the Pharisees and Scribes. Their self-righteousness missed the mark and they did not see Christ for who he was though they saw with their eyes all the miracles he performed, and saw no need for their own repentence and to follow Him. So it was also for those who followed them (Isa 42:18-20)
Mat 7:17, Luk 6:43 both speak of charrector. We should be able to see clearly whether a person is following Christ by their outward expression of faith and whether they are living a life led be the Spitit of God by their actions. -"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit." Gal 5:18-25
|160||Why is this verse here?||Luke 6:40||stjohn||218548|
I have to agree with Searcher on this. I too am having trouble understanding your logic. Could you please explain how these verses are 'in essence' different teachings? Since they are 'in essence' talking about the same thing.
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