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|121||BY HIS STRIPS||1 Pet 2:24||MJH||212034|
|It is interesting that we are "healed" by the wounds of another. Generally my doctor doesn't take my sickness on himself in order to heal me. Recently the irony of this has struck me.
|122||Is NASB better than other translations?||2 Tim 2:15||MJH||212008|
This is awesome. I will bookmark it and use it often.
If I have any questions about why they translated differently, maybe I'll ask your opinion, because I understand this isn't as simple as it may seem.
|123||Is NASB better than other translations?||2 Tim 2:15||MJH||212007|
I will need to check this out. I think it is similar to www.e-sword.net. Isn't the internet and computers so awesome these days. What did people do back in the days of the reformation?
|124||Is NASB better than other translations?||2 Tim 2:15||MJH||212002|
|Good note on the translations Hank.
I have been looking for a translation of Hebrews that is consistent and accurate with translating the verb tense. Most change some verbs from past to present and other verbs from present to past and then from future to present.
Since I do not know Greek, I am at a severe disability when reading that book. Strong doesn't help too much either because it doesn't help with the verb tense. The best I can do is laboriously search out what commentators have said, and some mention what the verb tense actually says.
Do you know of a translation that is always right? The ESV was the best I found so far, but I don’t have a copy of the NASB, so I have only checked a couple.
Ps- when you post, if you could use paragraphs it would help reading your post a lot.
|125||Tyndale gave us our English Bible||Bible general Archive 4||MJH||211968|
|Interesting. Something I did not know about William Tyndale. Thanks for sharing.
|126||Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish?||Jon 2:2||MJH||211918|
|Yes, you are correct in looking into it more closely.
As far as Jesus using this story as a foretelling of his own death and resurrection, it would be of some import to ask what his hearers would have thought about Jonah and whether he died or not.
I wonder if there are any extant ancient interpretations of this passage dating to the first century or earlier? Were there any Dead Sea Scrolls that dealt with this? Are there any mentions in other writings that would help us know what contemporaries of Jesus would have believed on this account.
There may not be, but there are vast amounts of writings that we do have and I am betting we could find something. I hold to a historical hermeneutic when possible. If Jesus' audience held to the belief that Jonah died, that would make a big difference. I will bet that they discussed your question, because it is just the kind of questions that they constantly asked and discussed.
I will try to find time to see what I can find and get back to you….in a few weeks probably.
|127||Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish?||Jon 2:2||MJH||211905|
|Yes, the idea does sit well. Not that the imagery doesn't work either way (Jonah dying or not). Going down into the Abyss into the belly of a great fish is certainly a picture of death if not death itself.
I did some looking and didn't find the evidence I was looking for, so this admittedly is weak, but it's what I found in a few minutes:
Num 16:33 So they, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into Sheol: and the earth closed upon them, and they perished from among the assembly.(ASV)
In this Text they were alive in Sheol until the earth closed. So Sheol is any place under the Earth, the place of the grave.
Isa 38:18 For Sheol does not thank you; death does not praise you; those who go down to the pit do not hope for your faithfulness. (ESV)
And lastly, here is a place where it seems as though the prophet is saying that a person can not cry out once in Sheol when Sheol is synonymous with death.
And in the end, why I'm not sold so quickly, is that I've always understood Sheol to be the place of death and not death itself. Therefore, Jonah could be in the place of death while not actually being dead. Therefore he could cry out and he could still be saved from the place of death.
|128||Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish?||Jon 2:2||MJH||211901|
|Good point. You are right that death does not bring unconsciousness and how that slipped me by is somewhat disturbing. Probably because I was thinking in terms of repenting in our general understanding, done before death. Yet, this is somewhat of a different issue, and like I said, it's something I never thought through yet, so I'll need to.
I just love having to add things to my back burner. I may need to get a bigger kitchen here soon to hold of them. :-)
I'm also going to have to look into the use of Sheol some more too. I'm not sure your right, but I have nothing to prove you wrong yet either.
|129||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211788|
|Thanks for the quotes. Very good indeed. I agree completely with the A.W. Pink quote and the John RW Stott quote as given.
So nice when we agree.
The John Armstrong quote I do not have anything striking against, I'd just have to digest it a little more to see for sure. If anything, I'd disagree on rather minor points.
Thanks for digging these up.
|130||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211759|
|Rom 10:4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Jesus is the [telos] of the Law for righteousness. Telos [greek] is the goal or that which it points toward. The Law pointed to the Messiah who is the goal. But to say it ceases to have purpose is to deny
Matthew 5:17-19. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Hebrews 10:4 "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."
The Day of Atonement was not intended to "take away" sin. Only Messiah can do that.
Remember, I am not claiming that following any law brings you into salvation, nor am I saying failure to apply it perfectly damns you. It is the same faith of Abraham that saves. It is faith in the One Messiah Jesus our Lord and Savior who leads us to God in the world to come. It is not by works that no one can boast.
|131||Quries about Christmas?||NT general||MJH||211728|
|I did what you asked. Let me know...is that good?|
|132||Quries about Christmas?||NT general||MJH||211725|
|Serious? If so, hey, thanks for your service.
Love Lt. Col. North. Made a joke of some people back in the late 80's
|133||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211719|
|Some of your posts are posts that link to your own earlier post. I almost missed these.
If you think of listing things God changed, don't bother to spend the time to do them all, just one or two would suffice.
Have a good nap? I'm sick today, that's mainly why I am here so much. Normally I actually work during the day.
|134||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211718|
|Okay, maybe it would help if you give me an actual verse where God is said to repent. Then I will explain. But honestly, I don't see one in the Books of Moses, but maybe that's because my Bible translations use a different word.
Otherwise I will be explaining something that will make little since outside of a specific verse, I fear.
|135||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211711|
|I like your analogy, the only problem with it is that your lease had an end. Once it was over, you either go month to month or the lease itself states that you can stop, leave, and get your deposit back (if you've been neat.)
The "lease" that God made didn't have an end, so to make the analogy work, it would be like this:
I have a lease for x years. One month into the lease, I decide that I will not pay to have the lawn mowed as we agreed to. Now you, the owner are stuck with the bill. So you say, “but we have a lease.” You say, "I blacked that out of my lease, so it no longer applies."
Okay, that is weak too, but it's much closer. Anyone knows that a judge would side with the owner who would get a money judgment and then never actually get his money. (I work in the apt leasing field :-) )
Here is how the Bible works: 1) the books are Moses, known as the Torah, are the foundation. 2) The History books (Joshua, Ruth, Kings, etc..) and the Prophets and the Writings(Psalms, Proverbs, etc...) are the pillars that stand on the foundation. The Apostolic Scriptures (New Testament) rest on the pillars as a roof. If you remove the foundation it all crumbles.
Also, proper hermeneutics state that later revelation can not contradict nor over turn earlier revelation. The Torah came first and stands forever.
I'm not J.W. or a Seventh Day Adventist either. (Just to clarify.)
|136||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211710|
|God has never changed a covenant. Paul even states in Galatians, “A later covenant can not do away with an earlier one.” That would be to lie. He can have a conversation with Abraham and Moses. Because He says, "step back so I can destroy them." is not the same as saying, "I declare that this is going to happen." A promise and a conversation are two separate things. God “ta’shuva”ing [repenting] is not the same as him changing. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Deut 12:32 and Deut 4:2 are very clear.
By the way, these discussions God has with Abraham and Moses over what he will do are essential to understanding how he can reconcile his justice and mercy at the same time. They teach us a lot about the character of God. The talk with Moses after the Golden Calf is monumental in his revealing his attributes. It's an awesome portion of scripture! It's a huge picture of Jesus work on our behalf.
|137||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211709|
|I choose to live under Grace and follow the commands of God. The tooth for tooth laws were laws of a gracious God. They never meant to gouge an eye out if you did that to your neighbor. How would that be helpful for your neighbor? It meant 1) don't kill a man for gouging an eye....that is not fair punishment; 2) don't neglect punishment, that isn't fair compensation. If you gouge an eye, you pay that person for their loss, no more, no less. The laws read in context seem clear since this passage follows the laws of compensation. It's a summation of judging fairly that helps the victim as much as punishes the wrong doer.
The victim always has the right to no prosecute. The victim can choose to show love for the offender rather seek justice. This would be placing the command to love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus does not through out the law (he just said he didn’t in Matt 5:17-19 that precedes this statement). He is providing a clearer understanding of the law and how to live it out.
|138||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211692|
|By the way, welcome to the forum. (I think I noticed your new?)
You'll have to find the text that says you need to wash you hands before eating.....
Anyway, I never said if you fail to follow a command you go to hell. We are saved not by our ability to follow commands, but by Faith in Jesus. We follow commands because we love him.
So don't quite :-) your hands are fine...I hope.
|139||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211689|
|Yes on the donkey thing. Commands can contradict, and a choice has to be made.
Anyway, Paul wrote Romans 14, not Jesus...but of course Paul writes from the Spirit so it may be a fine point.
I know Romans 14 is used to say, stop following the Sabbath on the Sabbath, but I have yet to read any commentary (that wants to be honest) say that Paul was speaking of the 7th day Sabbath in that text. Not even those who think we don't need to follow the Sabbath make that claim in the end. They like Colossians 2 much more.
If God can simply "erase anything he wants" then how can we call him faithful? Be careful about what you make God do. It is impossible for God to lie. He can not do anything.
|140||Gospels are OT books?||John 1:1||MJH||211687|
|hee hee hee..... yeah, I didn't include Dunn because he'd probably get nailed on this forum. Not a big fan even though he has some things right.
I read half of a Wright book and had to stop. Just drove me nuts. But I know he's popular and not a stupid man, so maybe some may accept my premise more if they know Wright and Sanders do.
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