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1 | Is it right to use the word "Trinity"? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38281 | ||
Go to the post "So, Youre saying they go to hell?" and look at and research my posts. Best Wishes -wannabe |
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2 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38280 | ||
Hi Jm Scott, yes he did come in his Fathers name. You will need to go to the library or your computer for Biblical references and you will see Jesus own name means "Jehovah is salvation" Joshua, Jonathan etc... have the meaning of Jehovahs name, Jonathan means "Jehovah has given" This "Divine" name is in hebrew "Yahweh or Yehowah" Please research this for yourself, for I cannot keep using the "Divine" name to defend arguments in a chat room. * Study the third commandment -Best Wishes |
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3 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38276 | ||
Hi Makarios, Yes of course Jesus existed in Heaven with the Almighty God before he was sent. You see what you do when you take from the Bible "the Son of God" and reverse it to "God the Son" You have made in your own words the son superior or equal to God Almighty but when the Bible says "the Son of God" it is telling us the son is not on the same level as God or God himself would have written it that way and not relied on a trinitarian sitting in front of his computer twisting his words. As I stated earlier if you study your Biblical history,you will be shocked to discover the ONLY name ever written next to "God Almighty" is the "Divine" name I mentioned in my other posting. Proverbs 8:22-30 will explain quite well the position Christ had in Heaven with the Father before he was sent. *You cannot reverse or add to this in order to understand it. |
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4 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38274 | ||
Hi Kalos, Since you do know a little about the witnesses then you know I couldn't be one. I'd be forbidden to hold these chats with trinitarians. However I do know abou the witnesses background because I dated a girl that was in the witnesses for four years and was disfellowshipped for hanging in Bars (It wasn't a Godly thing to do)They gave her a few warnings but she kept doing bad and thats when we met [doesn't say much for me I know]. Now, even though I am not a witness I will stand up for something when I know another individual is making false accusations. I do know their only site is [Watchtower.org] I also know they had other sites claim to be associated with them but they are not. I know God allows them to carry his name "Jehovah" in their title because in case you haven't noticed, most of the modern Bibles translated that name into "LORD", You may still see it though in Psalm 83:18 [KJV] Now if you are at all familiar with Biblical history you will be shocked to discover the name they carry and for the reason. It has been removed and so people will know the "Divine" name that was given "Jehovah" was translated from the hebrew "Yahweh" or Yehowah" [JHVH] and [YHWH]was given by God Almighty to write in the hebrew scriptures nearly 7000 times and now you see "LORD" What Jehovah"s Witnesses did was put it back where it belonged! The alterations of the Bible didn't occur until 1530 in English by William Tyndale. So you see Kalos, you have it backwards. *The 3rd commandment from the ten commandments That was given to us by God is "You shall not swear falsely by the name of the lord [Hebrew:....] your God... *Now in the [Hebrew:....] of that commandment was the tetragramamaton that was given by God [YHWH]it is written in Hebrew consonants I can't put in the computer. This is the Greatest "Divine" name that was ever given to us and even put in the 10 commandments by God and has been removed by man. You might want to re think what you are saying is associated with a "cult" *You stated "Altering Biblical text to suit their needs" *You stated "latching on to one verse to interpret another" *You stated "changing the meanings of words" *You stated "Adding to the word of God" [Every trinitarian I talk to keeps doing this to me] *You stated "Proclaims some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines" If you give some references of which you are referring to,I will do my best in trying to clear it up for you. |
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5 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38266 | ||
Hi Makarios, I'm not sure what Bible you are reading from but I am reading from a very popular King James Version: Mathew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. |
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6 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38262 | ||
Hi Makarios, I thought you said we had to stick to the scriptures? You done broke your first rule with the second sentence in this posting. And later on in your posting the words you wrote after Gen 49:10 is also yours and not the Bibles. Here is another one you added: "This is God the Father in Heaven saying to God the son." Do you know how many Bibles you can go through and you will never find " God the son?" *In order for you to understand the Bible without adding your own thoughts and writing them down, you will need to go to the beginning and find out the difference between large letters "LORD" and small letters "Lord" why they were susbtituted and what the names were in the original Hebrew. *Hint: The Orthodox Jews were afraid to speak the "Divine" name. |
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7 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38245 | ||
TRINITY?...Hi Joe, maybe you can help me with this verse: Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool- KJV I guess my question would be this: Would The "Lord" take himself out of himself as the "LORD" to place himself next to himself at his right hand until he makes his enemies his footstool? |
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8 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38241 | ||
Hi Joe, you said the Bible has the Trinity in it. Can you give me some verses I can look at to examine? |
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9 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38239 | ||
EXECUTED FOR NOT BELIEVING IN THE TRINITY... Hi Hank, I'll give you 2 names for now which you can look up on your computer or the 1964 Britannica or whatever your favorite history source may be. *Joan Bocher: condemned and burned to death for denying the Trinity (1550) *Michael Servetus: burned to death for rejecting the Trinity (1553) |
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10 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38236 | ||
Hi Joe, 1Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to MARRY, and commanding to abstain from MEATS, which God hath created to be recieved with thangsgiving of them which believe and know the truth.- King James Version (1986) *I'd recommend looking at the NIV Bible, it seems to be more favored. *You mentioned in your post who this reminded you of. * can you tell me what you think "doctrines of devils" means? |
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11 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38173 | ||
TRINITY, Hi Joe, here is a verse from the Bible you can think about. 1Timothy 4:1-3 However, the inspired utterance says definately that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of Demons, by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; FORBIDDING TO MARRY, COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM FOODS WHICH GOD CREATED TO BE PARTAKEN OF WITH THANKSGIVING BY THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH AND ACCURATELY KNOW THE TRUTH. *Who does this remind you of? |
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12 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38168 | ||
Hi Hank, I am not on this chat board to be the spokesperson for Jehovah's Witnesses, however, before you go calling an organization "a cult" you need to dig up more facts on the executions that were done on innocent people for refusing to believe in a doctrine that you are standing up for.[exclude this message if you do not support the Trinity] |
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13 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38166 | ||
Hi Joe, Of course I am going to get the book you have mentioned in your posting and compare my facts for it would only be fair, thats what I have been doing and I will not stop now. You can mention Jehovah's witnesses as much as you like, this will never cover up the fact the trinity was created by Emperors and clergymen with their minds corrupted more about power and less about christianity for if they were concerned about their fellow man they would not have persecuted them along with burning them with their Bibles knowing people would figure out there corruption all backed with a history of paganism. *Yes I have and still will study the books recommended on the the Trinity and will tell you how I feel about the information presented in the book you referred. *You cannot change history and how a Doctrine developed from history *Execution was done in the past against people who did not go along with the Trinity doctrine. **This is the doctrine you support. **And this is the Doctrine you are teaching young adults. **Are you practicing what you preach and teaching these things about paganism and execution for not believing in the Trinity Doctrine to your students? |
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14 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38080 | ||
Hi Joe, yes I have been in the watchtower and other biblical libraries writing notes and comparing them so I know what I have is making sense. I will occasionally list some of the references. It would not be right if I only posted what I believed rather than post facts after comparing resources. | ||||||
15 | can the person who answered answer this? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37935 | ||
BABIES...Take note in what happened after 3 years of Jesus teaching...the disciples get together after their return to Capernaum and they asked "Who really is greatest in the Kingdom of the Heavens." Jesus already aware of where they were going with that conversation. Jesus staged a moving demonstration to correct their attitudes. He calls a child, stands in their midst, puts his arms around the child and says "Unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the Heavens; and whoever recieves one such young child on the basis of my name recieves me also. See: Math 17:22-27; 18:1-5; Mark 9:30-37; Luke 9:43-48 also [Acts 24:15 compare Genesis 18:25] |
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16 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37932 | ||
Hi Believer, 1 John 5:7?? | ||||||
17 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37927 | ||
Trinity....Hi Joe, that's one of my points, God never created such a doctrine in which a lot of trinitarians believe he has. Gods name was given to us to understand and recognize the difference between truth and false and false "gods[* note gods as in three or one or one in three or whatever todays belief is] As he has stated he is the only true [GOD]In modern Bibles where you see "LORD", I see "Yahweh" Now if you try to take a non believer and introduce him to God's Word with a modern Bible, what will he see? This is just another way of supporting what has already been corrupted for centuries. Now if KJV or any other Bible today would go back to the original hebrew scriptures with their translations they would have a big problem on their hands, people would become really confused and no longer would they see LORD, Lord or Lord God or GOD and Jesus Christ. They would see Yahweh (or JEHOVAH), Lord, God, Jesus Christ. A big problem for modern Bibles and Pastors etc... Now things become more complicated in explaining the Trinity which they are already having trouble explaining anyway! A BIG PROBLEM FOR THESE COMPANIES! Now nobody would want their Bibles and OHHH how we know the green stuff can really hurt here. But I'm sure they would still care about us. You have mentioned "Tertullian" I am unfamiliar wth this, can you explain? |
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18 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37887 | ||
TRINITY... The CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA claims: A Dogma so mysterious presupposes a Divine revelation." Catholic Scholars Karl Rahner and Herbert Vorgrimler state in their Theological Dictionary: "The Trinity is a mystery...in the strict sense...which could not be known without revelation, and even after revelation cannot become wholly intelligible." However, contending that the Trinity is such a confusing mystery, it must have come from divine revelation creates another major problem. Why? Because Divine revelation itself does not allow of such a view of God: "God is not a God of confusion."- 1Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS) Now, would God be responsible for a doctrine about himself that is so confusing that even Hebrew, Greek and Latin Scholars cannot really explain it? Why did so few of the educated Jewish religious leaders recognize Jesus as the Messiah? His faithful disciples were, instead, humble farmers, fishermen, tax collectors, housewives. Those common people were so certain of what Jesus taught about God that they could teach it to others and were even willing to die for their belief.-Mathew 15:1-9; 21:23-32,43 23:13-36 John 7:45-49;Acts 4:13 ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION: There is no evidence of any sacred writer even suspected the existance of the Trinity, it is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers. Trinity: How did the Doctrine develop? Many think it formulated at the Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. Not totally correct. It did lay the ground work for later trinitarian theology, but at that council there was no mention of the Holy Spirit being part of a godhead. Many years went by and lots of arguments on trying to develop the idea that Jesus was God. To try to solve the dispute, Roman Emperor Constantine summoned all Bishops to Nicaea[*Constantine was a PAGAN politician who worshiped the unconquered sun,converted to a christian when he got older and was baptized when he was dying] 300, a fraction of the total, actually attended. THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA relates: Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed...the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the Creed issued by the council, of one substance with the Father...Overawed by the Emperor, the Bishops ,with 2 exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination. After 2 months of furious religious debate, this pagan politician intervened and decided in favor of those that said Jesus was God. But Why? Constantine understood that the religious division was a threat to his Empire, and he wanted to solidify his domain. None of the Bishops at Nicaea promoted a trinity, however. They decided on the nature of Jesus and not the role of the Holy Spirit. Debates continued for decades. Emperor Theodosius was in charge now [so to speak] He established the creed of the council at Nicaea as the standard for his realm and convened the council of Constantinople in 381 C.E. to clarify the formula. That council agreed to place the Holy spirit on the same level as God and Christ. For the first time Christendom's Trinity began to come into focus. Was Theodosious a Godly person? Many opposed what was happening, Theodosious decided against them and they suffered violent persecution. It was only in later centuries the Trinity was formulated into set creeds. It was defined more fully with the Athanasian creed. Athanasius was a CLERGYMAN who supported Constantine at Nicaea. However Athanasius did not compose this creed. The creed was unknown to the Eastern church until the 12th century. Scholars in the 17th century had agreed that the creed was not written by Athanasius(died373)but was composed in southern France during the 5th century as well as being influenced there and in Spain in the 6th and 7th centuries and was used in the Liturgy in the Church in Germany in the 9th century and later on in Rome. Jesus and his followers spoke of an Apostasy with its "LAWLESS CLERGY CLASS." 2Peter 2:1; 1John4:1-3 Jude 3,4 (Acts 20:29,30 JB) (2Timothy4:3,4 JB) Throughout the Ancient world as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads was common. The influence was also prevalent in Egypt, Greece and Rome in Centuries before during and after Christ. In the preface to EDWARD GIBSONS HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY, we read, if Paganism was conquered by christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF RELIGION and ETHICS notes: "In Indian Religion, e,g.,we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahma, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus...nor is it only historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity. *You can do the research, its endless. |
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19 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37776 | ||
Hi Tim, not a problem.... and just in case your wondering my real name is Don Austin. |
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20 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37773 | ||
Hi Tim, I used to go to a Catholic Church and then bounced over to a United Methodist church and then bounced over to a Baptist church but there were a lot of unanswered questions I would have about the Bible and I was tired of hearing a Pastor tell me some things are suppose to remain a mystery. Thats when I went out and did my own researching on Biblical history because everytime a trinitarian said Jesus Christ and God and the Holy spirit are all 3 but 1 (like an egg) I would get a bad stomach pain. So I talked to ex-trinitarians and learned some interesting facts but I wasn't going to take their word for it. I had to find out for myself. Along with my postings I am leaving just one or two references to start up anyone interested in discovering the truth on their own and not to take my word for it. Yes I have talked to Jehovah's witnesses also and they have great knowledge of the Bible. They are strict and very disciplined. If I belonged to Jehovah's witnesses I would be forbidden to even to talk in this chat room. I consider myself just a christian searching for facts and will not settle for anything less. When you have been brought up your whole life and taught certain things and to find out its the complete opposite of what we are being told! Because most people get in their comfort zone and don't care to seek the truth. Do you think God will forgive us for ignorance and laziness especially when it comes to his Word? Hasn't it ever crossed your mind why most of the Holidays we celebrate today involving Christ is led back in history to PAGANISM? |
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