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1 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 138036 | ||
Hello Angel, Your right, I do not see how you can come to the conclusions you have with the scriptures you have used to prove your point. And you will not see how I came to the conclusions I came to with the scriptures I used. God must deal with both of us I'm afraid in His own way. Believe me when I say a appreciate your replies. The Bible is a source of never ending discovery and I believe all questions can be answered within its covers. God's will be done. Steve |
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2 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137969 | ||
Hello Angel, Thanks again for your reply. I was trying to narrow our discussion to one point and that is does God lead us into temptation. The scriptures in Job clearly say that He does through Satan. If you would like to comment on the one subject, “Does God lead us into temptation” and provide scriptures that support your position I would like to hear from you. I’m sorry but I fail to see where Jesus calling Peter Satan has anything to do with our discussion. When you look at Jesus further discussions about Peter and Satan in Luke 22:31 "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you[1] as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." Satan asked to sift Peter. Ask who? God. Satan asks God to sift all of us. God either gives his permission or tells Satan no. This is the relationship between God and Satan. Satan asks who to temp and God gives His permission. God does not do the tempting, Satan does with God’s permission. Notice what Jesus did when Satan asked God to tempt Peter, “But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail.” Jesus had to pray for Peter’s faith. This is where we come in when God allows Satan to tempt us, we decide to give in to the temptation or to say no to Satan. That is the part we play. We are in control of the situation when we are tempted by Satan. We have the choice of resisting, as the scripture says, or giving in to it. James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. How does God lead us into temptation? By giving permission to Satan to tempt us. God has the control. Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when eat of it you will surely die." Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." From looking at the scriptures you cited in genesis I believe that God told them that they would die if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They ate of the fruit and they died. Satan told a lie by saying they would not surely die. When you read those scriptures, how can anyone reach a conclusion that God lied? I can’t understand the point you are making. Please notice the last part of Satan’s statement, “Knowing good and evil.” Up till that time Adam and Eve only knew the goodness of God. After their temptation by Satan, similar to how Satan tempted Job and Jesus, they knew evil. Evil comes from Satan but with God’s directing as shown in the book of Job. God tried to protect them from evil by telling them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but they gave in to the temptation and became knowledgeable of evil. And with that knowledge came death. Just like we today give in to the temptations of Satan. One last point, are you saying that you do not believe the scripture in Job2:10 that says good and evil come from the hand of God. After the example given to us in the book of Job can you say that Satan is in control of all the evil and not God. You are saying that Satan acts on his own and is in control of this earth and not God? God’s will be done. Steve |
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3 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137753 | ||
Hello Angel, Can Satan temp us without God’s permission? Is Satan in control of this earth or God? Satan did not tempt Jesus without God’s permission. Jesus was lead by the Holy Spirit to be tempted by Satan. Satan cannot do anything without God’s permission. The book of Job makes that quite clear. In the first chapter of Job, God initiated the conversation concerning Job. Even Satan admitted that God blessed the work of Job’s hands. All that Job had was because God blessed Job and provided it to Job. Then Satan went on to tell God to put forth thy hand and touch all he has and he will curse you. Notice carefully what Satan said, put forth thy hand and touch all he has. Satan can’t touch all that Job has and destroy it. God must put forth His hand to destroy it. Then the Lord said to Satan, behold all that he has is in your power. God turned over to Satan the ability to temp Job by taking away all he had. Satan cannot do to Job more than what God gave him permission to do. Satan can only follow God’s directing and instructions. God controls Satan. Now Satan goes forth and causes all these terrible things to happen to Job by putting in the minds of those who committed those acts to do them. Satan was given permission by God to use all the people involved to do terrible things to Job. Satan directed those people to act. In Job chapter 2 Satan comes to God the second time. God initiated the conversation concerning Job. Verse 3 tells us that Job was lead into temptation by God. “Although you moved me against him to destroy him without cause.” God was moved into destroying all Job had. Did God do the destroying, absolutely not. Satan did the destroying by using people to carry out God’s wishes. God even admitted it was without cause but God did it anyway in order to test Job’s integrity. This is the relationship between God and Satan. Satan accuses us before God and God directs Satan how to temp us in order to test our integrity. God leads us into temptation by using Satan to cause the acts through other people that lead up to our temptation. God controls Satan. Satan cannot do what God has not given him permission to do. In verse 10 even Job admitted that good and evil come from the hand of God. To say that we are not lead into temptation by God is to admit that Satan is in control of our lives and not God, Satan is in control of this world and not God. I believe God is in control of this world and everything that happens in it. Is God controlling us like puppets, absolutely not. God provides the circumstances through Satan and we must decide to give in to the temptation or to not give in. I believe that is how God works with all of us. Thanks again for your reply. I might be trying to cover to many areas at once. I would like to narrow our discussions to one or two topics and search the scriptures to prove our point. Steve |
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4 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137510 | ||
Hello Angel, I’m glad we both agree that the Bible gives specific examples of God using people to do His will. Your examples make it quite clear. My point is that if God did it at certain times and with certain people, isn’t He doing it all the time and with all people? Is there enough examples in the Bible to prove it? Are there words from God and Jesus that say that? I would like to take specific words of God and Jesus and see if this is what they are implying. I certainly understand your position when you say that man has the prerogative to believe God or not. I have been taught that my entire life. Now that I have lived some years, I can’t help but to have the feeling that God is in total control of it all. We are merely players, all of us. Even the Bible points to the book of revelation and the climax of life as we know it. In order for the book of revelation to come to fruition, God must make it happen, not us. God is using us to make it happen. The part of the Lord’s prayer that says, in Matthew “ 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.” And lead us not into temptation. Does God lead us into temptation, where we are tempted by Satan? Isn’t that amazing that off all the things that we need and could pray about, Jesus gave us that particular concern. Jesus told us to pray and ask God to not to lead us into temptation because God does lead us into temptation. Mathew 4:1 “Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.” The Father led Jesus into the desert to be tempted by the devil. Now, Jesus asks us to pray that God not lead us into temptation by the evil one. I believe this is how God works with us. He leads either into temptation or to His Son for salvation. When He leads us into temptation explains all the evil that is in the world that people do. We are born neither good or bad. God leads us into temptation, why, I’m not quite sure. Is it to test us? Maybe. God leads us into temptation throughout our lives and we give in to those temptations more often than not. That is why Jesus told us to repent when God calls us to salvation. We have committed a lot of sins. We sin because we are too weak to resist Satan and his temptations. Now Jesus came to this earth to teach us to pray to God and ask Him to not to lead us into temptation but to deliver us from the evil one. Jesus would not tell us to ask God to lead us not into temptation if God is not leading us. He would not have told us to pray for God’s leading if it were not needed. Jesus gave us the example that we can now resist Satan with the help of the Holy Spirit. This is my other point, we cannot resist Satan without the help of the Holy spirit. We need God to resist Satan. God leads us our entire life into temptation and then He chooses us for salvation and gives us the Holy Spirit to help us resist Satan. He is in control of our entire spiritual life from birth to death. That is why Jesus said to pray, “Thy will be done.” All we do is God’s will. Why would Jesus ask us to pray for God’s will to be done if it were not true. It is not our will that we pray for but God’s will. I believe that we have a physical life and a spiritual life. Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born of water and the spirit. Water represents our physical life and spirit represents our spiritual life. With our physical life we get to exercise our will to make the decisions necessary to take care of our physical needs. Where to work, what to eat, what to wear, etc. I believe God gave us the ability and knowledge to make all the decisions necessary to take from His creation what we need to sustain our well being. But God is in control of our spiritual life, born of spirit. As Jesus said in John 6:44 and 6:65, No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him. The Father decides whom He wants to come to Jesus. God is in control of our spiritual lives. He leads us into temptation or unto His Son for salvation. Jesus was quite clear about the Father drawing us to Himself. Didn’t Jesus pray that He not loose any that the Father placed in His hands. John 17:2 “For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.” And in verse 6, "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. “15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.” Of all the people that heard Jesus and saw His miracles, only a small number believed He was the Son of God. God granted that knowledge to only those small number of people. As far as our salvation is concerned, God is choosing who He wants to believe in Jesus and who He doesn’t at this time. There will be a second resurrection where everyone will be given the knowledge of Jesus and that will be their opportunity. But not now. May God’s will be done. Steve |
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5 | The Lord's Prayer | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137217 | ||
Hello Hudson River, Please explain what you mean by content, be more specific. I know you looked in the bible to find the words of the Lord's prayer. Steve |
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6 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137216 | ||
Hello Angel, I sure appreciate you taking the time to follow up. This discussion means a lot to me and I trust in God's guidance. When you say that His will is imposed not on an individual level but on a universal level where God’s Holy Spirit enlightens the most receptive servants so that God’s remnant will continue to obey God’s will by willingly subjecting their will to His. Rom 9:27-29 and Rom 11:5-36. Verse 28 says it is, “His sentence” that will be carried out on earth. It is not our sentence. It is not our will being carried out but God’s will. Rom 11:5-36 Verse 5 says, “there is a remnant chosen by grace.” God does the choosing. Verse 7 “What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did.” Israel tried to do it without the Holy Spirit, without being enabled by God. They tried to do it by good works, by physical acts of obedience. God commanded them to do this and to do that and don’t do this and don’t do that, but to no avail. It was impossible to obtain righteousness by physical acts of obedience only. They couldn’t do it. That is why Jesus was so angry with them when he talked to them. He gave them the commands and He expected them to obey them but they couldn’t. They proved that it is impossible to obey without the help of the Holy Spirit. “but the elect did.” We can now obey God because he has enabled us by His Holy Spirit. We are very special to God. God has chosen us and given us His Holy Spirit. Now we are His for eternity. The Israelites of the Old Testament did not have that opportunity. Rom 11:8 “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day.” Do we believe that? God is controlling who He wants to know Him and who he doesn’t want to know Him. He is in control, not us. When God gives us a spirit of stupor, we are powerless to remove it, even to this very day. God is deciding who He wants in his kingdom and who He doesn’t. John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent me draws him.” God does the drawing, He decides who He wants to come to Jesus and then He draws us to Jesus. John 6:65 “--- no one can come to Me unless the Father has enabled him.” Verse 66 “---many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed Him.” The reason they turned back was because they were not enabled by the Father to believe in Jesus. Peter made it very clear in verse 69 when he said, “We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.” God lifted the spirit of stupor from the Apostles minds and not from those who turned and left Jesus. Verse 70, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve?” God chose the Apostles; the Apostles did not choose God. We have to always keep that in mind that Jesus chose the Apostles just like he chooses some of us to believe in Him. We do not chose Him, He chooses us. In verse 70 Jesus went on to say, “Yet one of you is a devil.” Did not God choose Judas to be a devil so that God’s plan for Jesus’ crucifixion can be carried out? Wasn’t Pilate doing God’s will when Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.” The entire life and death of Jesus is a prime example of God’s will being done on this earth. Everyone involved in Jesus life were being directed by God to carry out His plan for our salvation. Those involved had no control over what God wanted them to do. If they did, that means that their will was stronger than God’s. That means that their plan for our salvation would have been carried out and not God’s plan. Does this make any sense to you? May God's will be done. Steve |
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7 | what do you do when you feel no love.... | Matt 22:37 | stevewill | 136647 | ||
Hello, You certainly asked the right question, "What do I do?" In my own life, I have always found that when I feel most loved and loving is when I do something good for someone else. It is in giving love that we receive it. Keep in mind that the love that God talks about is not the love that hollywood talks about. Love comes from giving of yourself to another person. The feeling you get in your heart comes from the giving. It is not something you can work up on your own. If you can do something for someone without expecting something in return, I'm sure you will feel like you are giving your love to that person. And their love will come flowing back to you. That is the way God made us. We are to give love if we are to receive it and we give it by doing something good for someone else. Read all the words of Jesus and He constantly talks about giving your love to others without expecting anything in return. Jesus gave all He had and you see how many peopled loved Him by the number of Apostles and converts He had. I sure hope this helps and I am writing this out of the love I have for you at this moment. Steve |
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8 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 136644 | ||
Hello Angel, Thank you for your response. You are absolutely right in saying that out of the worst scenarios God's plan emerges in perfect design. I was thinking the same thing you eluded to when it came to the crucifixtion of Jesus. If Judas woke up that morning and decided not to betray Jesus then what would have happened to God's plan. As it turned out, he was following God's lead and direction, His Will. I'm going to make a statement and I sure would appreciate your response, all that we do is God's will. This life makes no sense if only some of what we do is God's will and not other things. Either all we do is God's will or none of it. What do you think? Thanks for your reply. Steve |
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9 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Not Specified | stevewill | 136264 | ||
Math 6:10 Is this a request or a statement of fact, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." | ||||||
10 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 136266 | ||
Math 6:10 Is this a request or a statement of fact, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." | ||||||