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Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Author: proorizo Ordered by Date |
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1 | Created for heaven or hell? | 2 Pet 3:9 | proorizo | 11414 | ||
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2 | Created for heaven or hell? | 2 Pet 3:9 | proorizo | 11410 | ||
Okay??? I did a search for R.Joe and it came back as "User name unknown". How do I access the info. you give me? |
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3 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11409 | ||
Wow, what muscles!!! | ||||||
4 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11318 | ||
I'm sorry God, I thought maybe Your Word had not been dealt with correctly here! Give me a break!!!!!!!! |
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5 | Created for heaven or hell? | 2 Pet 3:9 | proorizo | 11317 | ||
If what I wrote about 2 Peter 3:9 has already been said, I did not see it, and apparently, you people just can't see it anyway. Traditions fog one's thinking very much. Please show me where what I have said about 2 Peter 3:9 has been said 3 times. And would you love to hear about it if in fact it was the first time it had ever been mentioned? Please don't give me the "Nolan" treatment, 'cause he is stuck so far in his traditions, that he can't see either, yet he comes off as the "Know it all" warning people not to present something that has not been dealt with. Don't tell me I discard the very Words I live by and study and love very fervently, it is clear who does this in this Forum. |
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6 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11316 | ||
Well Mr. Know it all Police Guy, youv'e made your fake little meek and humble plee, that I have seen way too many times with people like you. Don't demand me to read all your misunderstandings and presuppositions your traditions demand you to say, I've seen enough. So, in saying this, "my friend", when you are ready to deal with the text of Scripture, and not some kinda ploy to hide the Truth, then we can talk, if this is like you say "A WARNING", then it is quite clear there is no edification with you anyway. So, Mr. meek and humble, do you refuse to debate or are you going to keep my damage "minimal"? Sounds like your reasoning is as "round and round" as your theology. Make up your mind. Speaking of idiots, I would ask you to read 2:Peter 1:20, and see that the Greek word for "private" is idiotes. Take heed. I will be peaceful, Mr. police guy, when God's Word is dealt with in spirit and in truth. How are you gonna be convinced of anything since you know it all? Where's the edification here, Nolan. It's not with you. Take my advice and deal with the text. proorizo |
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7 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11303 | ||
Greetings again Nolan, While reading your past posts on predestination, I got the feeling you did not want to go over what had already been covered once before with you and someone else. If this is a "Don't bring up what has already been covered" type message board, then please let me (and I would say the other people whom you have told this too) know, and we will go to a message board that is productive. Also, after reading your comments, its quite clear you do not understand Calvinism. Please let me know, because I don't care to be told "all one would have to do is look into the Forum's history", do you not understand how long this could take, and do you think all Calvinists have the same old questions? If so, you are wrong. And if you don't have time to go over something again, then leave my responses to Calvinism alone, 'cause I would hate for you to be wasting your time. Your brother in Christ, proorizo |
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8 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11295 | ||
Hello again Nolan, To see my thought on how 2 Peter 3:9 is taken out of context when used to say that God wants all, but just simply can't do it for some reason or another, all one would have to do is look into the history of the forum and see my response to this to JVH0212, and see that I would ask you to re-read 2 Peter 3:9 in context. Please read what I have writen there, and then we will interact. So, where does Scripture state that some are called to eternal damnation? (Romans 9:22)If "All to repentance" can mean "all are called", I think "fitted to destruction" can mean "called to eternal damnation". Actually, Scripture states that there is none who seeks for God (Romans 3:11), so I ask you, does "none" mean "none"? The word "kosmos" means orderly arrangement, not every single individual. Why does Jesus say "I pray not for the world" in John 17:9, and doesnt John 12:19 say "the world has gone after Him"? Did the "entire world" run after Him? Apparently not because the individual saying this did not run, he watched others run, right? Let the word world mean what it means in context. Who can say they believe the Bible, yet don't believe in election? It is the form of election that has to be addressed. I geuss my question to you would be, "Is God in bondage to man's will?" Thanks again for your time. Your brother in Christ, proorizo |
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9 | Created for heaven or hell? | 2 Pet 3:9 | proorizo | 11292 | ||
I examined the question I gave, and the Scripture reference you gave and put 2 and 2 together, since there was only a short "fishing" comment, and a Scripture reference, I thought it wise to comment on the Scripture reference. So please, let me examine your motives, if there was one. I don't understand your "discarding the Word" comment. Help me to examine your motives, or how bout this, lets talk about what you have claimed I am discarding. If I offended you some how, please forgive me, I can only go with the information you give. So, what were you trying to say when you put the Scripture reference? Thank you for your time. proorizo |
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10 | Created for heaven or hell? | 2 Pet 3:9 | proorizo | 11260 | ||
Thank you, I'm not much of a fisherman, but it's fun trying. :-) You had quoted 1 John 2:2, and I would ask have you ever considered the many uses of the word world? The Greek word for world is "kosmos" which means orderly arrangement. If Jesus is the propitiation for the whole world in the context in which you have insinuated, then why is Jesus "not praying for the world" in John 17:9? How about John 12:19 that says "the world has gone after Him", does this mean every individual that ever lived or will live went after Jesus at that time? Of course not, we should let the words speak for themselves in the context in which they are being used. Listen to the song sang in Revelation 5:9: "Worthy art Thou to take the book, and to break its seals; for Thou wast slain, and didst purchase for God with Thy blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation." This is the "world" that Jesus attoned for. Let me ask you, did Jesus die for the many who will live eternally in Hell? If so, Jesus died for many, many sins for no reason, and also God will require a double payment for these peoples sins, first Jesus' payment, then their own payment which will be eternal seperation. I will let you think on these things and will wait for a response. Thanks again for taking the time to write. proorizo |
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11 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11241 | ||
Hello again, and thank you for your reply! How would you understand Romans 9:6 that says "not all are Israel who are descended from Israel." We as Gentiles are spiritual Israel. God loved Jacob and hated Esau before either had done anything good or bad, in order that GOD'S purpose according to election might stand, not because of either of their work's (choice, choose, etc... are verbs, and verbs show action), but because of HIM who calls.(Romans 9:11-13) According to Romans 9:6-29, it's God's decision.I believe all who believe will be saved also, but who will believe? Romans 3:10 and 11 says "there is none righteous, no not one; There is none who understands, There is NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD." Does "none" mean none? Also, belief is a work, but salvation is not of works, but belief is not a work of man, it is a work of God. Look at John 6:29: "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." Did Esau have a way out, Scriptures says God hated him before he had done any good or bad and that it was God's choice, not Esau's. Where does Scripture say that all are called in the context of "all individuals"? Now speaking of Gentiles, there are some who are children of the promise, and Acts 13:48 very clearly says how they believed. Acts 13:48 "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as HAD BEEN APPOINTED (past tense) to eternal life believed." It doesn't say "as many as believed were appointed to eternal life", it says "as many as had been appointed." I have a neat little e-mail I wrote to another person on the subject of Romans 9 that I would like to share, but it is way too big for this venue. If you are interested, look at my profile, and send me an e-mail, and I will send it to you. If not, we can continue to talk this way. I'll quit for now, and let you respond to what has been said thus far. Talk to you soon, proorizo. |
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12 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11181 | ||
Hello, Thank you for taking the time to respond! May I ask how you would explain Romans chapter 9 based on your belief? Thanks, proorizo |
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13 | Created for heaven or hell? | 2 Pet 3:9 | proorizo | 11180 | ||
Hello JVH0212, Thank you for your response! _______________________________________________ This is surely the most popular passage cited (almost never with any reference to the context) to “prove” that God could not possibly desire to save a specific people but instead desires to save every single individual person, thereby denying election and predestination. The text seems inarguably clear, but it is always good to see a text in its own context: Please read 2 Peter 3:3-13: Immediately one should see that unlike passages such as Ephesians 1, Romans 8-9, or John 6, this passage is not talking about salvation as its topic. The reference to “coming to repentance” in 3:9 is made in passing. The topic is the coming of Christ. But the next thing that stands out to me is the clear identification of the audience to which Peter is speaking. When speaking of the mockers he refers to them in the third person as “them”. But everywhere else he speaks to his audience as the “beloved” and “you”, and that this audience should behave “in holy conduct and godliness”, and that they look for the day of the Lord. Peter includes himself in verse 13, where we “look for new heavens and a new earth”. This is vitally important, for the assumption made by the person looking to insert freewill here, is that when verse 9 says the Lord is “longsuffering to us-ward” that this us-ward refers to everyone. How they conclude this, I don’t know. Likewise, then, when it says “not willing that any should perish” but that “all should come to repentance”, it is assumed that the “any” and “all” refers to anyone at all of the human race. Yet, the context indicates that the audience is quite specific. In any other passage of Scripture the interpreter would realize we must decide who the “us-ward” refers to and use this to limit the “any” and “all” of verse 9. For some reason, this simple and fundamental necessity is overlooked when this passage is cited. 2 Peter 1:1-3 tells us the specific identity of the audience to which Peter is writing: 2 Peter 1:1-3: 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Peter writes to a specific group, not to all of mankind. “To them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” This not only refers to faith as a gift, but it surely limits the context to the saved, ‘cause they received this faith “through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” There is nothing in chapter 3 that indicates a change in audience, and much to tell us the audience remains exactly the same. Since this is so, it becomes quite clear that the person wanting to insert freewill here, is badly misusing this passage by ignoring what Peter is really saying. The longsuffering of the Lord is displayed toward His elect people (the “you” of verse 9). Therefore, the “not willing that any should perish” must be limited to the same group already in view (the elect). In the same way, the “all should come to repentance” must be the very same group. So, in essence Peter is saying the coming of the Lord has been delayed so that all the elect of God can be gathered in. There is no reason to expand the context of the passage into a universal proclamation of a desire on God’s part that every single person come to repentance. Instead it is clearly His plan and His will that all the elect come to repentance, and they most assuredly will do so! _______________________________________________ Thanks again, talk to you soon, proorizo |
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14 | Created for heaven or hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | proorizo | 11177 | ||
Hey Nolan, Thanks for the welcome. And thanks for the advice on the "Search" option, I will do just that. Thanks again, proorizo |
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15 | Created for heaven or hell? | Not Specified | proorizo | 11146 | ||
Hello, I am new here. My question is "Does God create some people for heaven, and some for hell?" |
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16 | Created for heaven or hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | proorizo | 11152 | ||
Hello, I am new here. My question is "Does God create some people for heaven, and some for hell?" |
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17 | Created for heaven or hell? | John 3:16 | proorizo | 11167 | ||
Hello, I am new here. My question is "Does God create some people for heaven, and some for hell?" |
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18 | Created for heaven or hell? | 2 Pet 3:9 | proorizo | 11155 | ||
Hello, I am new here. My question is "Does God create some people for heaven, and some for hell?" |
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