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1 | COULD A BELIEVER LOSE THEIR SALVATION? | Hebrews | godissovereign | 82996 | ||
Anyway, this is getting very long...but it all boils down to whether or not you believe that God is God, and He is sovereign above all else!!! I see so many people here either speculating, without Scriptural backup...who wants opinions!! God gave us the Bible for a reason, and that is so that it can be the difinitive source for our needs! People who say that we are not sufficient in the Bible alone are not saved!! I know that sounds very harsh...but the Bible is inspired by God, and God alone...read Psalm 139 and see how much God knows about us...he knows our hearts, our anxious thoughts etc. So, if God indeed knows all of that, and has known all of that, then He knows everything that we are going to need answered in the Bible. God inspired the Bible then in Revalation claimed it to be the single authority, not to be added to or taken away from. So to say that you can't find an answer to questions in the Bible is saying that God does not know your needs and that because of God's lack of knowledge, you need to seek elsewhere for that knowledge! Please people, I beg you, read the scripture as it is, don't try to interpret the Bible to fit your beliefs!! So many people do that...look at tele-evangelsists...they are rolling dough because they have conformed the Bible to say that health and wealth come from giving to the church. We are called to live life according to God's will...not to try to conform God's will into our plans for life!! Do you truly believe that God has a sovereign plan for you and that He is faithful to reveal that plan as He deams necessary? Look at how Jesus instructed us to pray in the Bible: "Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be your name. YOUR kingdom come YOUR will be done, on earth as it is in heaven...." Jesus does not tell us to pray that God gives me what I desire, or that God causes something to work out the way I want it...but rather that God would work his will out in my life! If you truly believe in the Lord, then you aren't going to be doubting your salvation, you are going to be praying that God's will be done in your life!!!!! Here is the difinitive, final answer to this question! You are a new creation, 2 Corinthians 5:17 says, "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come." This verse summarizes and finalizes this debate!! DO NOT INTERPRET IT ANY OTHER WAY THAN THAT WE ARE A NEW CREATURE...the old has "passed away", and the new has come. That shows a complete regeneration of a new person, dead to self and alive for Christ. Look at a few of these verses, Roman 6:8, Romans 6:11, Romans 8:1, ROMANS 8:10, 1 Cor. 5:13, GALATIANS 2:20 (THIS IS A FOUNDATIONAL PASSAGE OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE SAVED!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE THAT SALVATION) Ephesians 2:1 says that we are dead in our trespasses...so if you say that we can lose salvation...how in the heck can we become alive in our trespasses again?? The word dead is used on purpose...it is irreversible!! If you could lose your salvation, God would have said turned away from your transgressions. The true Christian can say what Phil. 1:21 says when it tells us that "for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain" We are living for Christ...if you live for Christ truly, then you cannot and will not turn away from Christ!!! Now, if you do turn away from Christ then you are not "living for Christ". I know I was ranting for a while, and this is super long...but people, we are promised a free gift of salvation unto ETERNAL life!! We cannot lose that, be assured of your salvation! We have assurance, and that is such a joy! If we had to walk on eggshells with our salvation, then is that true redemtion?? By no means can we expect to earn our salvation by working for it!!!!! It is a free gift that we in no means earn! So, to say that you can lose something that you never earned in the first place is insane!!!! Please, figure it out!! It's simple! |
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2 | COULD A BELIEVER LOSE THEIR SALVATION? | Hebrews | godissovereign | 82995 | ||
For those of you who take Psalm 51:10 and say that since David had to plead for a clean heart and a renewed spirit, then obviously he lost his salvation...no WAY! First of all, understand the context...David just went and committed a heinous crime (which, even believers sin...but this is their attitude of repentance). Look at a lot of the Bible's header for this chapter...it is a Psalm of Repentance. David is so broken with his sin when he says that "against you only have I sinned" (Psalm 51:10). David realizes that his sin wasn't against the person that he wronged, but against God...He sees his sin as so horrible that the only way to fix it would be for God to create in him a clean heart. Have you ever sinned against God and just totally felt horrible afterwards! To the point of absolute sicknes...if not, then you don't have a true understanding of the horribleness (if that's a word) of sin. David felt so sick in his sin that he begged the Lord to create in him a clean heat (some versions say new heart) and renew a "steadfast spirit within me". He doesn't ask for his salvation to be given back...but renewed. How many of you have ever been late on returning a library book that you still wanted to read...sure, it is overdue, but you can call up and ask to have it renewed...you still have the book in your possession, but you are renewing it. David didn't lose his salvation, but rather felt so wicked that he asks, for his own sake that the steadfast spirit be renewed. Then he asks that the Lord "not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your Holy Spirit from me". That doesn't say that it was taken..he is asking that it not be taken away!! Have you ever felt so bad about your sin that you feel that you deserve nothing but death??? Sure you have, if you're saved....David felt that way...he saw the vastness of his sin and just realized that he in no way deserves salvation, so he is begging God not to take it away....God in no means took away his salvation though!!! "restore unto me the joy of Your salvation" When you repent, you regain the joy of knowing that God saves you. And look at the word "YOUR"...it isn't David's salvation, but rather the salvation provided by God alone.... continued |
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3 | COULD A BELIEVER LOSE THEIR SALVATION? | Hebrews | godissovereign | 82994 | ||
Anyway, all of that to say that if God has sovereignly chosen you, did He make a mistake in doing that?...and that's why you "lost" your salvation??? I think not! If you are saying that God can make a mistake, then I say it is time to "examine your heart and to see if you be in the faith" God chose us and gave us the ability to chose righteousness when He gave us a heart of flesh He knew what He was doing. Now, there are those that are deceived, and that is why we are called to be continually examining ourselves to see if we are in the faith...but it doesn't say that we are to doubt our salvation. Take for example (since this is a Hebrews discussion)Hebrews 12:22, where it calls us to "Draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts....". Why would the Bible tell us to have full assurance of faith if we can doubt our salvation??? To me, full assurance is something that you don't have to doubt!! If I give you my full assurance (and I have proven myself to be a trustworthy person) that I will give you a million dollars...will you doubt me?? Likewise, we are promised full assurance of faith...why would you doubt it? God has given us a free gift, that of which he promised for everyone who believes in Him. Now think about it...when you believe in something...if you start doubting it, or not having full assurance in it..then can you truly be believing in it? Dictionary.com defines the word believe as having a full or strong assurance in something. Now, if you truly believe that God died for your sins and that you are redeemed if you "deny yourself, pick up your cross and FOLLOW Jesus", then how can you ever doubt that you are saved? I even go as far as to say for those people that do walk away, they never truly believed in the first place....sure, they may have agreed with some of the things they heard, but they did not believe!!! It is a firm belief that cannot be backed out of!! Because if it could be backed out of, that means that God is not in control, and....oh don't get me started on "christian" people who don't see God as the ultimate power and the ONLY power. Talk to anyone who "walked away" from the faith, and everyone will say that they found certain things that they didn't agree with...or certain things that were too hard!! Well, to me then that means that they never truly believed in the first place, because if they did...they wouldn't even be questioning it. Take for example a person I just was discipling...he came to me the other day and said.."you know what, I have decided that this "christian thing" isn't for me...I want to be able to sin and live life in my own way. Thanks a lot for sharing all of this with me...but it isn't for me". Well, when I heard him say that, I didn't say...well shoot, he lost his salvation...I said, you know what, he never firmly believed that Jesus Christ is the Lord of His life, and that He has "denied himself, picked up his cross and follow Jesus". He simply was using it as a cover-up..or as a feel-good state. Someone who has died to self and lives for Christ truly will not turn away!!! They are dedicated to Jesus Christ because they love Him with an undying love!!!! Then there are all of you people here who try to use Scripture (taken out of context) to say that losing your salvation is possible!!!) Revalation 3:16 states it so well, " So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth". God does not accept someone who is lukewarm in their faith. That is the person who goes to church...sings praises, serves, ministers and has a compassion for the lost....but have they completely died to self? If they have completely died to self, then the thought of walking away from Christ could not enter their mind even!!! Look at Hebrews 3:12, "Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God." A lot of you have tried to use this as a verse to say that you can lose your salvation!!! Don't do that! The last phrase is indeed the one that "falls away from the living God"...but look at the person who falls away from the living God...look at their condition. It doesn't say that the person fell away and then developed an evil, unbelieving heart...it is the person that HAS an unbelieving, evil heart. If you are indeed a Christian, you will not have an unbelieving evil heart, because GOD HAS MADE IT NEW!! continued |
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4 | COULD A BELIEVER LOSE THEIR SALVATION? | Hebrews | godissovereign | 82993 | ||
Most people here are missing the beauty of salvation!!! Rather than looking at the issue of if you can lose your salvation, I think it is more an issue of pride that people who say you can lose salvation have. It is more an issue of whether or not you believe in God's sovereignty over salvation (predestination/free-will). Since I am sure that has been a subject that has been beaten heavily on here, I will not go into it too much. But, I see it as an issue of pride when someone says that they have anything to do with choosing God! If God is not in sovereign control over His people, then how could He be God? The human heart is wicked above all else. "For while we were still sinners Christ died for us". In our sin and evil ways we would never "chose" God. The world hates God! And once we were a part of the world. The wicked heart does not have the desire to know God, the wicked heart would never chose God. However, when God sovereignly saves someone, he gives us a heart of flesh so that we are able to be saved. We may consciously say, Lord, I want to follow you like Hebrews 12:1 says, "fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith". Then in Phil. 3:13 we are told that we are to "forget what lies behind and reach forward to what lies ahead. I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus". So, when God gives us the heart of flesh, from there we can make our decision, but until God gives us the heart of flesh, we have no means on our own to be saved!! Imagine this...you are going out to lunch and you walk into a hamburger shop (whereby for this example hamburgers are sin)....you have a few choices...hamburgers, hamburgers or fries...this is us in our life of sin...we cannot chose salvation because our wicked situation (the hamburger shop we are in) does not have the ability to chose righteousness. When God choses to save someone, he takes us out of the "hamburger joint" and puts us into the "food court", where from there we have the ability to chose pizza (salvation) because God has taken us out of the world of flesh and given us a heart of flesh. I know it's very corny, but it has helped many students understand what it means to be sovereignly chosen. Continued |
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