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1 | Pete, What or who do you worship? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 121064 | ||
I don't worship. I do support biblical morality. I will trust you on your definitions. What I am saying is our country is in the final stages of decay and most good people, as long as their air conditioner works, heater works, food on the table.. It appears ok. I am not an author. Those who are word smiths can work out the verbage used. The verbage that is universally used is culture war. I am ok with that. |
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2 | The culture war | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 121062 | ||
The "Culture War" is used in todays political seen. There are 2 forces that are referred to. 1. The moral-christian force and the moral altering, anti christian force. There is an enormous force going on to remove morality as we know it. Unfortunately, those who are doing it, invent morality as they go. They go by what feels right. Anything thing they can rationalize is ok. In other words, they want the limits on behavior. That is what morality is... limits on behavior. All people are born uncivilized. It is up to their parents to civilize them. That process is teaching and accepting morality. As soon as that is accomplished, they are civilized. This process allows people to co-exist because they are operating by the same rules. If this morality is removed, the civilization is destroyed. It slips into anarchy. This happens often in uncivilized, third world contries. It has not happened here till now because this country used to have a strong moral backbone. They do no longer. The moral of this country now is asleep at the wheel. They feel that the country will do just fine. Rowe vs Wade, where abortion was made legal by the Supreme Court 40 years ago is proof that anything can be accomplished the "counter force". I know of no religion that is "pro choice". Even though the Catholic Church is staunchly against any for of abortion, the have known members like Ted Kinnedy, Tom Harkin and John Carrey who have all voted for third trimester abortion which is where the baby is capable of life without the mothers assistance. This is merely an example. That is all it is. Given time, I could mention a thousand other examples. In schools, any anti-christian group is allowed although no christian groups are. In schools, the teachers and administration are so confused on right and wrong, that the little thug kids are running the school. The schools are powerless. Now a days, it is common to have policemen in schools. 40 years ago, I did not know of a school in the nation that had a policemen in the school. Police keep wrong doers at bay. Ironically, in order to do that, they have to determine right from wrong. Since our culture has lost its standard, that is "fuzzy". As each generation gets more and more confused about right and wrong, BIG problems will occur like Columbine (sp), the school where the kids went in shooting. Those kids thought that what they were doing was okay. If they did not think it was ok, they would not have done it. Trust me, they had it rationalized. My guess that they had parents that did not want to "impose" their morality. Their morality was probably flawed anyway. Ted Kinnedy uses the word morality in every single speech, but he never sites his source. The Catholic Church, if they had any conviction at all, would have ex-communicated him long ago for immorality. Not a single occurance, not a hand full, but an ongoing quest to destroy morality as we know it. This is the culture war Pete2 |
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3 | The culture war | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 121006 | ||
I appreciate your invitation, but I will respectfully refuse. And please don't be offended by that, but I feel fine where I am at. Turning the other cheek? No, I do not believe it works. Has it ever worked? Probably, but not usually. I was always the smallest kid in the class growing up. Being nice to bullies was tried 100 times and failed every single time. You know what worked? I smacked a few back. That works every time. An evil aggressor will not head to strength, they head to weakness. They show amazing cowardess around strength. In the Culture War, there are people that care about their reputation, cooperating with evil ideas.... We are looseing the culture war because we are a no show in most cases. Pete2 |
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4 | The culture war | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120967 | ||
I was raised as a Christian. When I did extensive fasting, I was seeking truth. In order to do that, I had to discard all and start over. Everyone on this site would find this statement as untrue but me and that is... I do not see God as the only logical conclusion. In fact, I see no logical conclusion.. but I do see the morality in the bible as haveing a proven track record and I can also see why others fail... Having said that, I also see weaknesses in the bible, but most of them have to do with erroring on the side of passiveness. It seems that CHristians are looseing most of the battles in the Culture War... So much so, I do not believe that getting back what was once had, is no longer achievable. Having said that, I also believe that the more battles they loose, the stronger their conviction. Having said that, looking at the bible, I do not see what weapons they have for the Culture War. Treating people nice does not create nice people, it just makes happy "evil" people. |
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5 | Why? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120953 | ||
I will have to look back. I dont think I said condone. What I did not hear was "condemn" that action... And trust me, I would not have said it either. Many of them are "nuts". They recognize that also, that is why they did not condemn. I could respect their religion if they would make positive public statments, but I do not hear them on radio, even though I have listened to them for hours. I have also listened to their oposition. I know a minister/priest that was fired from a college for quoting directly out of the koran. They felt it was devisive. |
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6 | Why? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120951 | ||
I truly appreciate your imput. I do not pretend to be a Moslem scollar. But I do know enough about the religion to know that they do not seek harmonious co-existance. I do not watch TV... ever. I haven't had it on in 6 months. It is unneeded. I listen to radio all day every day. I stand corrected if there were apologists that I missed. But if they would have mad it to radio, I would have heard them. On TV, I felt that I was in constant endoctrination. Even on the news channels. |
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7 | Why? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120939 | ||
I am not being unfair. In the city where I live, there are moslem groups. They have spokesman. They were silent after 9-11. Why? They could have said, "We condemn their actions". They didn't. That is a fact. More facts? I do not know of a Moslem group or even a single individual speak out against what was done. Even Louis Fericon (sp) doesn't. I am sorry I am saying negative things. Most of you folks are pleasantly positive. I appreciate you wanting to stay with scripture. But that is impossible without application. In this country, we have made it possible for people to co-exist. Although, the government will give a stage for anti-christian and not christian. It has moved that far. I have been trying to understand the apathy and I think I do now. On the Moslem faith, I did not say anything that was far off the mark. I am not going out on the web to back any of it. That is past my mission. Also, the truth is learned by starting with less perhaps. I never silence people when they try. I have |
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8 | They lack Apathy | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120929 | ||
No, no, I was not saying that the moslem religion is without morals. I don't think I said anything close to that. I said that their moral, that is the thread for their culture, doesn't work. The evidence for that? look at them now and where they came from. It is true that they have much more conviction than we do. Yet, unlimited conviction is not a virtue. I have never seen forgiveness mentioned in the same sentence with Moslem, thus explaining inherant disharmony. | ||||||
9 | Why? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120924 | ||
It is wrong? It is immoral? It is unetical? You sound very aggressive, so I know you do not have a problem with that. | ||||||
10 | They lack Apathy | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120911 | ||
You spoke very well. Better than I ever could. It is my belief that a strong civilization is sewn together by its commone thread, morality. Morality is an agreement on behavior. Moslem nations do not thrive and never will, they can't. Their morality does not work... Never has.... Never will. The only hope for that part of the world is apathy. Maybe we should ship them some of ours. | ||||||
11 | Apathy | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120897 | ||
Yes it is true that adversity seems to make people of faith stronger. That perhaps esplains the apathy the Christians feel in this country. It is my opinion that the backbone of this country is crumbling beyond repair. | ||||||
12 | Cristians are a no show in Culture War | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120854 | ||
The Culture war is basically good against evil. Like a line in the sand, good on one side and evil on the other, that line get moved every day. Unfortunately, good has lost most battles. There are so many misguided people now that they dont have a clue who to follow. | ||||||
13 | Skeptical? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120852 | ||
I have heard many discussions on the Moslem faith. Their morality is unacceptable by our standards. It would be worth investigating. If you research it pro and con, you will be surprised what you learn. You will learn why our country works and theirs doesn't. You are sceptical. I appreciate that. I wish everyone was. Everyone should be. We stand to loose our own country to internal decay, the missionaries would do better to stay here and forget the eskimos for now. Everyone says that everyone has a basic idea of right and wrong, yet, if you question a person about enough topics, you will find that each persons morality is like a fingerprint. |
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14 | The culture war | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120851 | ||
I hear ya, they are doing many things. I don't want to make light of that or offend the people who are involved. It is a selfless mission. Having said that, let me address the issues you raised to make my original point. The Catholic church does not have enough conviction to survive at this point. They have an internal pedifile problem, Ted Kinnedy, John Carrey and Tom Harkin who are all not only all pro choice, they are pro abortion and they are also all for third trimester abortion, yet they have not been thrown out. Prisons? True, there is only one way help a prisoner. Install a new set of morals. Yet our government lacks in that area so much, it would be misguided if they got involved. The churches no longer have the power needed to complete their mission. It starts in the schools where they are not allowed to talk about right and wrong unless its "non god" talk. The stuff that they conclude is amazing and baseless. They are training the future prisoners of America, but at least each and everyone will know how to put a condom on a banana. Many choose to live in a bubble and home school. When the good kids leave, only the bad kids are left and there is less interfereance in their path. I guess what I am saying that there are 4 times as many battles going on as are being met. Again, I appreciate those who are participating. |
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15 | Cristians are a no show in Culture War | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120830 | ||
That is a fair question. I can not do that. I have merely heard the matter discussed. These matters have been repeated so many times, I do not doubt them. In addition to that, the news does not supply information to the contrary. Can you document anything to the contrary? Actually, back to the main reason I came here was to try to understand why Christians do not participate in the culture war. I would prefer you to address that. |
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16 | One sided culture war. | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120818 | ||
The bible is only useful if it fits into the world. If this is true, how can you study it without its application? The Koran is the Moslem bible. It also says that it is ok to kill non moslems with immunity. There is little condemnation for murder in the Koran. It is also full of sexual content. Do you doubt that if a person does a terrorist attack that they think that they will have a bunch of virgins waiting for them in Heaven? I guess I have been frustrated about the one sided culture war that has been going on. |
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17 | My beliefs | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120800 | ||
I want to start off by saying, I have no desire to convert anyone. If I tried, I would probably fail and instead strengthen your conviction. In the same light, I will continue discussing this only if you are willing to do the same. I have had many Christians try to convert me. They always ask the same questions and feel self fulfilled with their arguments when they are done. I enjoy philosophy, yet, having a Christian say that they do have the answers because they have the bible and I don’t, because I don’t. To me, that statement contains no logic. Every thing I know, I can prove. Everything I can not prove, I don’t know. It is interesting to hear all sides of mans evolution, but really, little of any of it is provable, there fore to, Is merely an intellectual exercise. I do recognize the bible as containing more wisdom than any document ever written. People would profit from learning it. All coexistence is based on morality. But what morality? Liberals in particular tend to say, "do what feels right". Unfortunately, that is the morality that pedophiles, con artists and other people use also. Evil people prefer to have a sliding scale of morality. They detest being judged. They see absolutely nothing wrong with their acts. All people rationalize. All people do things that are wrong. They use rationalization to supply exceptions in "their" case. So everyone has a "dark side". An Evil person though, will condone evil actions as right. So it is really obvious that civilization cannot exist without an agreed on morality. Do what "feels" right does not work. It has never worked. The difference between a successful civilization and a failure is the morality that was used as the model. There are hundreds of religions around the world. Most fail to thrive. Only the Judeo-Christian has worked well. No other religion has created the harmonious environment that the Judeo-Christian has. The governments around the world that do not use the Judeo-Christian morality as a basis for their government have failed miserably. Especially in the Middle East that are Moslem. The Moslem religion does not operate even by the most basic litmus test of right and wrong, "the golden rule". They endorse pedophilia in the Koran, the Moslem bible. They say the women are for making babies and little boys are for pleasure. That is an evil act. It is condoned. It is uncivilized. That is why I say, you can not go to the middle east and civilize them without taking missionaries The world has been trying and failing for over 2000 years. Atheism would be preferable for them. Fortunately though, as the world continues to get smaller. The Internet has linked all of the people of the world. Unfortunately, everyone on the Internet is nameless and faceless. As a result, Evil is having a "hay day" there. It cannot be ignored. Their must be a universal code of morality around the world to Police this up. Yet, the UN invents morality as they go. Trust me, they will not get to where they need to be. Not unless they base it off the Judeo-Christian ethic. That is not going to happen. Therefore, it will fail. All governing bodies that don't follow it fail. So back to the top. I am looking for the "truth". Even if it occurs in places I don't like. Like it or not, the bible works. Yet in this country, we are moving farther away from it and we have become very indulgent. This, in history, has been the pattern of every once successful, failing culture. Flaws in Christianity that I either do not understand or don’t agree with. I will list them. 1. It seems that there is a double standard for morality for the individual and for government. Christian governments can punish wrong doers, yet the individual is required to forgive. This would be interesting to watch a Christian Politician. Apparently they get to pick and choose. 2. It is my belief that the aggressor sets the rules. This is comical to see how immoral people use Christianity to their advantage. They cheat, lie, deceive. If there is a moral person that says anything on a public forum, they are viciously attacked and since they are human, they have flaws. If those flaws are pointed out, their own Christian friends will remove them from office. This leaves an office open, then evil has an elevated chance of filling the office. 3. Christians have a tendency to live in bubbles, ignoring many things that go on beyond that. Mormon like behavior would be impossible if there were not those that were willing to get down in the dirt to fight to protect them. And after this, do not even turn to thank them. Instead they condemn their process of protection. 3. “Turn the other cheek”, does not work for improving behavior. It instead, rewards mis-deeds. I hope that the above answers some questions, but I fear that it just provokes more. Pete2 |
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18 | Note? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120681 | ||
I answered it as a note instead of a question. How can I find it? | ||||||
19 | Answer gone? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120610 | ||
I had replied to this, but the answer is missing. hmm... | ||||||
20 | Justice in my view sesms better. | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120492 | ||
Good answer Angel, brief and to the point. I feel somewhat guilty... me being an athiest and basically using you guys as researchers. I understand my form of justice, and please don't be offended, but the justice in the bible, so far, does not make sense. You have explained it's view well. It appears that I must disagree with the bible. Let me explain my justice, just so you will know where I am coming from. I believe that revenge is administrating justice for personal enjoyment. Only an evil person would enjoy hurting another, physically or psycologically. On the other hand, a person has to use retaliation to a guide a person to justice. What is the difference? When you spank a child and insist on remorse, when the child expresses remorse, they must be lovingly forgiven. You guide the child in 2 ways as a result. you punish for bad behavior and you reward them when they see it correctly. Society must operate in the same way. If on the other hand, your 2 year old comes over and kicks you in the knee and says "i'm sorry". You say, "you are forgiven". Then he kicks you in the knee again and says hes sorry. lol. Children are born uncivilized. If dicipline is not used, you will be rewarding bad behavior and you will get more of it. People learn limits as they age, but not the same limits. Your next door neighbor may think its just fine to park his non working car in his front yard on jacks. Would it be inapropriate to shun a fellow employee for touching people inapropriatly? 7 times in one day? As long as he expresses remorse each time? Mormons believe that they can not even hit someone if they are rapeing their wife. It is a good thing that there are those who are not mormons, to make it a safe world for them. They live in tight groups, they have to, they are not living in a way that works in many situations. |
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