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1 | Simple example that we shoud keep sabbat | Ps 111:7 | DaveDriver | 59515 | ||
"Did I say that Jesus Christ did not follow it, I never say that, please if you want to make a discussion dont tell a lie. You accusing me here with things that I never committed. " I am sorry for my inflammatory remarks. What I was trying to say was that I felt like you were saying that there were two ways to keep Torah. Could I quote you from a previous post? "Are you suggesting that we have to keep the sabbath like what moses observed it or the one of Jesus Christ?" To which I responded: "I disagree with your opinion that God would give instruction and Messiah would not follow it." Your post seemed to indicate that God had at different times expected Sabbath to be kept differently. I do my best not to lie, and I don't appreciate being called such. It just feels to me like you are trying to be inflammatory. But I will answer your questions for I think the third time. "Did you observed the law correctly?" No. I can't. But I do the best I can by the grace of God. "Did you stoned to death you brother and sisters caught in adultery did you do that?" No. It isn't my job to decide who gets stoned or to do that. That is a job for the elders of the community. Please see previous posts on the other thread for the biblical reason for this. "If you find them gathering stick in the day of sabbath did you kill them?" No. See answer above. "Are you really dont go out your place in the day of sabbath?" I don't Travel out of town. Besides I don't keep any Anise in the house. I never said the Torah justified us. Never. Can't happen. Won't happen. Will never fall out of my mouth. If I did say anything that insinuated that I would be deeply sorry for saying so. That would be leading people away from the Gospel. The only thing that I ever said was NT never said that we should ignore our tutor, Torah. Imagine our parents paying for a tutor and us just sitting there ignoring him. How do do you think they would react? I said that I haven't found scripture telling me "Don't keep God's Sabbath." As a matter of fact I have found a few pieces of scripture that refer to Sabbath with positive instruction in Acts 15:20 and 21 Peter instructs new gentile believers to go to synagogue to find out the true instructions from Torah, not just the lopsided instructions that Paul's enemies (he referred to them as "the Judiaizers", "the Circumcision" or "the Law" at various times). Notes on Mt 23:23, Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Did I ever say that a person should leave judgment, charity, mercy and faith out of life in order to keep Sabbath? No in my explanation of how someone was to be punished for violation of the Torah I clearly explained that the reason for having to go before the elders is so that justice, mercy, charity and faith may be observed. Otherwise it would be like mob justice. God doesn't want you to be part of the unthinking mob. He wants you to hear His Word. He wants you to ask Him what it means and He wants you to listen to Him when He tells you. He told me to find peace and rest in Him. There was no peace in my life. I worked seven days a week. Five on the Job, one at home and one at church. You were designed to need rest. God purposed it into you. To lead you to His rest. It was a seal on the foundation of the Earth. It is His Sabbath. Not mine or the Jew's, but God's. You can pick any day of rest you want, but is it God's day of rest? The Lord lead me to sanctify His day in my house with my wife and children. He has blessed me from above my nose to below my toes because of it. That no one can do away with. Baruch HaShem |
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2 | The 4th Commandment an Essential Link | Mark 2:27 | DaveDriver | 59452 | ||
It is also an essential baby step in faith. If you can't take a day of rest on faith because God asked you to do so, you what makes you think you could do something as hard as witness to someone because of the faith you have that God asked you. It is much harder to witness, let alone put a new roof on a widow's house than it is to take a day of rest to spend with God. |
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3 | Simple example that we shoud keep sabbat | Ps 111:7 | DaveDriver | 59348 | ||
I never argue. I disagree with your opinion that God would give instruction and Messiah would not follow it. If Messiah broke the Law then he would not be a perfect sacrifice, He would not have been worthy to redeem us from the wages of our sin. I don't think that you intend to say that the Messiah kept Torah imperfectly but that seems to be what you are hinting at. What Messiah did was correct Jews who were worshiping Sabbath and it's ordinances. They were not keeping it holy. There was no law for Moses and a Law for Christ. They are the same. It was kept imperfectly by man, but kept perfectly by Jesus. He put it in it's proper place, behind hospitality, charity, kindness, and feeding your family. When you mention the man who was stoned the first Sabbath after the giving of the Torah you forgot that this man was indignantly walking around advertising that the next day he was going to gather firewood and Manna. God's instruction was that if a man was found violating Sabbath that he was to be brought before a the elders of Israel and on the testimony of two or three witnesses he was condemned to be stoned to death by the leaders of the community. The requirement that he be brought before the elders was to allow for accuracy in testimony, and to offer the man mercy and to make sure that there was no extenuating need that the man was trying to meet. People were almost never killed for violating Sabbath. Just like in the commandment re the rebellious son NO ONE has ever been executed according to that commandment. Mercy was always given. Exodus. 16:29 is about not traveling on Sabbath, not about staying indoors. Imagine staying indoors all day when the only bathroom you have is out side! Traveling was quite an undertaking even fifty years ago. It wasn't restful at all. The point is that the Messiah gave THE PERFECT EXAMPLE of how to keep Sabbath throughout his life. Even if he did labor he never violated the sanctity of Sabbath therefore he never broke the Law. |
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4 | Fellowship with others on Sabbath. | Ex 20:8 | DaveDriver | 59253 | ||
know several Sabbath keepers that go to services on Sunday, and I have nothing against it. I don't because going to church on Sunday is the seal of a Catholic. Keeping Sabbath is the seal of the chilren of Israel . I am a child of Abraham (Galatians 3:29), I have his seal and dedication to God. I also claim my sonship of Israel (still looking for the scripture refrence, ask me when I have the Bible I normally carry). Sabbath is a sign of the EVERLASTING covenant between God and his nation. Exodous 31:13 I don't want you to think that I am being defensive but it comes down to what seal do want to be over you. Do you want the seal of Abraham, the sign of Isreal and the seal of the Holy Spirit. Or do you want to be covered by the seal of Constantine I. So OK to answer your question We fellowsip at the beginning of Sabbath (this is called Kiddush meaning sanctification, as in sanctifying the Sabbath day) and have a service at that point with teaching and a praise service. After that there is an Onig (a time to eat and fellowship together) this usually runs untill midnight friday. We then go home and rest untill the end of Sabbath which we close together with Havdala which is a service that says good by to Sabbath. The apostials observed both. In Acts the Word reads that the believers gathered after the Seventh day (Saturday evening) and someone fell out of a window and died then was raised back to life. That was a long service if it started at ten am on Sunday and lasted untill after dark that day. That is what most casual readers would think. But a hebrew scolar would tell you that it was a Havdala service with a meal aferwards. Next, Don't you know that you are the Tabernacle of the Lord? Finaly how do I function as a Christian? I don't consider myself a Christian. I am a child of Abraham. I am not a Jew but a child of Abraham by the Grace of God! I am a joint heir in all of the blessings of Abraham and his children. There will be more questions I know but I hope this gets your questions above taken care of. |
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5 | Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy is | Ex 20:8 | DaveDriver | 59249 | ||
Keeping Sabbath holy has nothing to do with going to church. It has to do with having a day to rest and to invite the Lord into your home, allowing you to spend time with him, in His Word or Prayer or praising His Name. You are not asked to defile your self with work or travel. I think that there are only six commandments regarding the Sabbath in the Bible. don't make it complex. The Jews could give you an encyclopedia set on how to keep Sabbath. Just do what God has asked. It is easy! | ||||||
6 | Is vegetarianism okay with God? | 1 Cor 8:13 | DaveDriver | 59248 | ||
Read Daniel ch 1 and see how god prospered a young man that ate responsably! | ||||||
7 | Simple example that we shoud keep sabbat | Ps 111:7 | DaveDriver | 59244 | ||
God never said go hungry on Sabbath so you don't have to work. God never said let a man suffer on Sabbath so you do no work. These teachings show that there is a place for Sabbath in the world. NOT to ignore them completely. Just as a father is commanded to circumcise his son even if it falls on Sabbath was taught in the OT. I think that the point that Christ was trying to make is that there were Jews that were WORSHIPING SABBATH AS AN IDOL instead of keeping is holy as is the commandment. Christ never came to do away with God's instructions (Torah) he came correcting doctrine. Remember chapter 15 of Mat. Christ Didn't chastise them for Washing their hands. He didn't even care that they had made a little ceremony of the whole process. What he disputed was them taking the ceremony and making it out to be a standard of holiness beyond what He had established in Torah. They were taking that standard and measuring the disciples with it. That is what Christ came to correct, making up your own standards (like picking which commandments you feel like keeping) and measuring others by them, putting your standards and judgments above His. BTW Ask any Catholic priest and they will tell you that the only significance to the "Sunday Sabbath" is to mark you as a Catholic. |
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8 | what is the meaning behind circumcision? | Gen 17:11 | DaveDriver | 59235 | ||
Can you think of a better place to make sure that you have a man's attention? I think that that is the whole point. | ||||||