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1 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212386 | ||
Very well Val, I am dropping this issue. Merry Christmas to all. flyman |
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2 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212385 | ||
Dear Azure, As a child I was misdirected and now as an adult I find myself unable to experience the gifts promised to us. I fear what I believed was not the proper truth as I am now discovering the actual words of God through His son, Jesus Christ. Who are we to change them to suit our habits? flyman |
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3 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212383 | ||
Dear brother in Christ, Jeff, My prayer is Father forgive us for we know not what we do. flyman |
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4 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212381 | ||
Steve, My motive is to worship God in truth. flyman |
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5 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212380 | ||
Dear Val, It appears that R.C. Stedman makes an assumption that says it all, "Well, it means, of course, that we have misunderstood this passage(Mark 16:16-18) if we read it that way. It does not square with what God actually does…." Quite the contrary, it does square with what God does. He says those who BELIEVE will be able to perform these miraculous signs. Until we BELIEVE the entire teachings of Jesus, God will not bestow any of the promised signs. He does not because we BELIEVE not. R. C. Stedman makes another assumption, "But the amazing fact is that for twenty centuries millions of people have been converted and have believed the gospel, and none of these signs have appeared." How is Stedman qualified to make such a statement when God is the only judge who know the true hearts of professed believers? It only appears that millions have been converted and believed, but it is only for God to know who the true believers are. Could it be that our perceptions as professed believers are in error? Could it be that we are making the wrong assumptions? Remember God's word, many are called but few are chosen. Wide is the road to destruction and narrow is the way to eternal life. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. How many of us can truly say we believe Luke 14:33, "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple?" Merry Christmas to you, Val flyman |
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6 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212377 | ||
Dear justme, Don't you realize the arguments you are using were the same used by the majority of so-called believers long ago? When Jesus arrived on the scene the establishment refused to believe that He was the Son of God, why, because of their faulty human interpretation of the scriptures. Copernicus and Galileo promoted the theory of a round earth but the establishment refused to believe it so, why, because they erroneously believed that the scriptures made the earth to be the center of the universe. What other reason do you have to explain the fact that we as professed Christians fail to experience the signs of believers and the gifts of the spirit? Is it not possible that we see things through faulty human wisdom? flyman |
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7 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212376 | ||
Dear Brad, Do you know of any Christian who truly believes Matthew 5:38-44 - Resist no evil, turn the other cheek, if a man sues you, give him more, go the extra mile, if someone wants to borrow from you do not turn him away, love your enemies, bless them, do good to them and pray for them that persecute you? If you could then maybe, just maybe, we could find a true believer enjoying the signs and gifts promised. flyman |
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8 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212371 | ||
When Jesus arrived on the scene the establishment refused to believe that He was the Son of God. Why, because of their erroneous interpretation of the scriptures. When Copernicus and Galileo promoted the theory of a round earth the establishment refused to believe it so. Why, because of their erroneous interpretation of the scriptures. When professed Christians fail to experience the signs of believers and the gifts of the spirit, could it be that they possess an erroneous interpretation of the scriptures? flyman |
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9 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212370 | ||
Hello BradK and AZURE, As you probably have surmised by now I examine everything from a logical point of view. Azure has presented 1 Cor 12:1-11, where basically Paul reveals that the Holy Spirit distributes the gifts variously to each individually, just as He wills. Brad has asked how would I deal with 1 Cor 12:30, where Paul reemphasizes that not all will have every gift. The context of Paul's message from a logical standpoint is, for those who believe, one will be given the gifts of healing (v-9), to another miraculous powers, the gifts of prophecy, distinguishing between spirits and speaking in tongues (v-10), all according the the will of God. In connecting these passages to what Jesus spoke in Mark 16:16-18, it would appear that Paul is contradicting Jesus. Jesus, who made it clear that His words are not His but the Father's in heaven, proclaimed those who BELIEVE and are baptised will be saved and they will be able to cast out devils, speak with new tongues, take up serpents, drink poisons and not be hurt, and heal the sick. Jesus made no qualifying statement that some will and some won't, He said these are the signs that will accompany those who believe. Now if there is a contradiction who do you think is overruled? Jesus Christ, Son of God, or Paul, once known as Saul of Tarsus? In defense of the churches who believe that speaking tongues is a sign of being saved, how can anyone say they are wrong? The point I am trying to make is, are we as Christians true believers? Jesus says all who believe and are baptized will be blessed with wonderous works, but Paul says only some will receive the gifts of healing, effecting miracles, distinguishing spirits and speaking in tongues. Worst case scenario, whether you believe Jesus or Paul, there should be baptized believers SOMEWHERE performing these wonderous gifts. Are we just Christians in name only? Are we just Christians blowing smoke? Why do we ignore John 14:24, "He who does not love Me does not keep my words..." Why are we not accepting these words of Jesus? Here are some ignored by most of us, if not all: Matthew 5:38-44 - Resist no evil, turn the other cheek, if a man sues you, give him more, go the extra mile, if someone wants to borrow from you do not turn him away, love your enemies, bless them, do good to them and pray for them that persecute you. Matt 19:21, Luke 12:33, 18:22 - Jesus said that in order to inherit eternal life, you must sell everything you have, give to the poor then follow him. Mark 10:29-30, - Jesus said that anyone who gives up everything he owns for the sake of the gospel will receive a hundred times more than what he gave up, now in this time and in the world to come. Luke 6:30 - If a man steals from you don't expect it back. Luke 14:26 - To be a disciple of Christ you must hate your family, even your own life. Luke 14:33 - He said whoever does not give up all that he owns cannot be his disciple. It seems that we are obsessed with trying to rationalize away the obvious meanings claiming context, context and then context. Where is our faith that only needs to be as much as a fraction the size of a mustard seed? There are stories of faith that proove God is there for us but we still don't fully believe. God commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son Issac. Shadrach, Mishach and Abendego could easily have made an excuse, rationalized away their beliefs and avoided the fiery furnace. Job could have easily taken the easy way out and skipped all that misery and suffering. They didn't waiver, they believed and God fulfilled His promise and rewarded their faith. Remaining on the topic of this tread, it is easy to see why their is virtually no evidence of true believers. God Bless us all, flyman |
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10 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212358 | ||
Hi Cody Mac, One of the previous posts said something to the fact that speaking in tongues was not biblical. I just wanted to point out Mark 16:16-18, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs (speaking new languages) will accompany those who believe...;" Before judgment is passed on those churches that speak in tongues, maybe a closer examination of what the Jesus actually says should be done. Maybe you will find out the truth when you visit Africa. flyman |
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11 | Why do I want to speak in tongues? | 1 Cor 13:1 | flyman172 | 212355 | ||
God Bless, Cody Mac, I couldn't help but submit this for your thoughts. Since I have been reading thoroughly through the Gospels, I'm sure I know why there are many churches who believe that speaking in tongues is a sign of being saved. In Jesus' own words "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people and they will get well." Mark 16:16-18. Jesus Promised: "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12 Many churches say the obvious is the conclusion...If one cannot do these things, such as speak in tongues, then he cannot be a true believer. Those who get baptized and proclaim to be believers, but fail to speak in tongues, are not sincere enough to claim what Jesus has promised. Whether this perception is true or not, how can you argue with the words of Jesus? In John 14:24, "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Fathers who sent me." As I have discovered and listed in my other posts about giving alms, there are many statements made by God through His son, Jesus Christ, that we Christians do not believe. For example, in Mark 10:29-30, Jesus said that anyone who gives up everything he owns for the sake of the gospel will receive a hundred times more than what he gave up, now in this time and in the world to come. Luke 14:33, "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple." The sad truth is we don't believe in His words completely, do we? Maybe that is why we cannot enjoy the promises made by Jesus. In God we trust! flyman |
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12 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212351 | ||
Hello Kcabm14, God bless you too! Unfortunately your argument doesn't work because there is a built-in qualification that gives everyone an out with this particular message. IF thy hand, IF thy eye, IF the foot... There isn't anyone with a brain who will admit his eye, his foot or his hand was responsible for an offense. With regards to the passages I quoted, there is no built-in "wiggle out" word. Jesus is clear, "He who does not love Me does not keep My words;..." John 14:24. Jesus said do not be afraid, sell your possessions and give to the poor, store your treasure in heaven that your heart be there as well, Luke 12:32-33. "And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:27 "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:33 Kcabm14, I know these are difficult passages but we can't just pretend they don't exist can we? flyman |
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13 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212335 | ||
Hello my brother in Christ, I am very sorry I errored. There were so many answers and notes going out that I lost track of who got responded to and who didn't. I assure you I did not mean any disrespect. I do admit that I am a bit taken by your assertion that I am a liar and promulgating lies. I don't understand why you are so upset with my literal interpretations of Jesus. If you are saying that not all of Jesus' teachings are to be taken literally and are sure of it, what's the problem, just lay out your evidence. Until you do, what right do we have to contradict Jesus? flyman Even though we have not met you are my brother in Christ and I do love you |
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14 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212332 | ||
Dear Kcabml4, I am sorry I didn't specifically answer your post as dear sweet John has accused me of baring false witness. I thought I had addressed your post but it appears I was confused as a couple of my posts were deleted. I am sorry for the confusion, I meant no disrespect. I will now try to answer you. It appears that a lot of people on this forum are annoyed with me. I don't know why except that I have touched a nerve of some sort. Obviously they are not used to someone challenging their intellect. The truth of the matter is I am taking a literal interpretaion of the words of Jesus and the forum is angered by it. If someone could only prove that Jesus did not intend His words to be interpreted literally the problem would disappear. But no one can. Jesus does not qualify any of His words as being figurative, tropological or metaphorical. In the absence of such qualification what authority does anyone have to say otherwise. What credential has anyone to say Jesus did not mean what He said? You say that I am not a good stewart over the things I have been given by others and I have been wasting everyone's time. How can you be serious when many of the forum members in answering other questions have admitted that after many years of bible study they are still learning? Why all of a sudden when difficult and uncomfortable questions are asked, everyone expects me to accept their explanations as final? If we are all still learning what is my error in asking more? Why should anyone be angered or annoyed at a continuation of bible study? The answers and comments I have gotten have come from the very people who have admitted in their profiles that they are still learning God's word. When a forum answer is given am I suppose to accept it as final and not ask more questions nor make anymore coments? So far, there hasn't been anyone to answer the difficulties. You said the 10 quotations I use are the same quotations by different authors in the different Gospels. Is there a problem with that? Doesn't that prove the context, the commands, the message even more so? When all the Gospel authors reveal the same teachings of Jesus, it emphatically drives home the point, does it not? You gave me some quotes from Corinthians, Hebrews and Peter but you said nothing as to how they cancel what Jesus has said. I read those passages and have no idea what your point is. The question remains, how do we discount and disregard the words of Jesus? flyman |
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15 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212305 | ||
Wow John, Such loving words. If you would have taken notice there were two deletions, one at 3:11 and the other at 4:28. Maybe that is why you can't really see what God is saying through His Son Jesus. Maybe you're the one that needs to grow up and stop denying the truth, Okay? flyman |
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16 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212292 | ||
Dear John, Here is my answer that got deleted. Once again I am not making these up. These statements are real. It seems that simply because the teachings of Jesus would be inconvenient and uncomfortable to accept as plainly spoken, a host of rationalizations pop up making God's directive less demanding and oppressive. For me, I don't want to stand before God on judgement day and have to explain why I didn't do as He commanded. Everything is as plain as can be. Here is what comes directly from the mouth of Jesus: Matt 10:38 - Jesus said, "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me." Matt 19:21, - Jesus said that in order to inherit eternal life, be perfect, sell everything you have, give to the poor then follow him. Mark 10:17-21 - Jesus said to inherit eternal life, sell whatever you have, give to the poor, you will have treasure in heaven and go follow him. Mark 10:29-30 - Jesus promises that anyone who gives up everything he owns for the sake of the gospel will receive a hundred times more than what he gave up, now in this time and in the world to come. Matt 6:25-34 - Jesus said, do not plan or prepare because God will provide. This passage falls well into the theme and context of what Jesus is commanding about selling your possessions. Since God will provide, there is no need to worry. Be perfect and commit. Luke 12:32-33 - Jesus said do not be afraid, sell your possessions and give to the poor, store your treasures in heaven that your heart be there as well. Luke 18:22 - "Sell everything you have and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come follow Me." Luke 14:26 - To be a disciple of Christ you must hate your family, even your own life. Luke14:27 - "And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:33 - He said whoever does not give up all that he owns cannot be his disciple. The obvious meaning is clear. In order to be worthy of Christ, we must take up our cross and follow Him. In order to follow Him we must become His disciple. In order to become His disciple we must hate family, our own life and give up everything we own. The rich young man followed the commandments of God from childhood but lacked one thing in order to make it to heaven, He still needed to sell all that he had, given to the poor and then followed Jesus. It is illogical, irrational and impossible to believe that Jesus was only speaking to that one man. Again Luke 14:33, NKJ, "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple." In conclusion, John 8:51, Jesus said that if a man believes his message, he shall never see death. John 14:24, "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent me." I know these words are difficult but they are from God. flyman |
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17 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212288 | ||
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18 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212286 | ||
WOS, My humble apologies. You are correct, I was wrong to assume that it was you. I made a quick judgment and am very sorry. I am really not sure who deleted them and to accuse you is very wrong. I hope you can forgive me. Thank you, flyman |
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19 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212282 | ||
AZ, I did but it got deleted. I assure you, I did not post anything rude or offensive. I merely laid out all the words of God as spoken through Jesus, but WOS removed my answer. flyman |
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20 | Sell what you have-give alms | Bible general Archive 4 | flyman172 | 212281 | ||
Searcher, I know everyone is ganging up on me but saying context, context and then context is not the way to help. Context, context and context is exactly what I am doing. Why can't you believe me when I say I am not inventing anything? I study all the surrounding verses of every passage and I find there can be no other meaning other than what is obvious. I am truly sorry you feel you are wasting your time. flyman |
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