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1	Saved by belief or belief and baptism?	NT general Archive 1	DarcyA	100964
	PS gods should be God's
2	Saved by belief or belief and baptism?	NT general Archive 1	DarcyA	100963
	What does it take to enter Heaven? What is gods standards? To be sinless. Do yuo agree? If you do then which is the clenser for our Son the Blood of Jesus or the water? When the bible states in Eph 4:4-5 there is one baptism. Which is this baptism? Water or the Holy Spirit baptizing the believer into Christ? The question is simple if you need to be sinless and Christ is the lamb that takes away trhe sin of the world. (John 1) And those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Where does baptism fit into this conserning salvation? Two problems with the view Baptizism with water is a must to be saved. 1) Evangist must always have water around them to Evangalize Us westerners take water for granted other countries not so much. 2) Jesus left humans the capability to condemn someone or to save someone. The Christian can say no to baptizing you and you get in your car and die on the way home. With the view of water is needed to be saved where does this person end up? According to that view would have to be hell. 3) Acts 10 4) Romans 10 I was saved long before I was baptized with water It was Jesus Christ was saved me not water. The blood of Jesus shed on the cross is the only thing that could wash my sins away. I was dead to sin the moment I called upon the name of the Lord.
3	Saved by belief or belief and baptism?	NT general Archive 1	DarcyA	100916
	Look at who was speaking in Acts 2:38 then ask what was Luke suppose to write. He was suppose to write what was said/done. He did that. Not every word that came out of a human/angels mouth in the bible is absolute truth it is true the said that.
4	Saved by belief or belief and baptism?	NT general Archive 1	DarcyA	100914
	The verse that people who say you must be baptized by water to be saved in Mark 16:16 Havn't read the whole verse Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. Read the end of the Verse. It does not say that who is not baptized will be condemned. I have also have not seen Acts 10 explained. Acts 2:38 Look who is saying what was said. Peter was. Acts is a history of the church. Luke wrote what was said. Peter speaking is not nessarily absolute truth. It is True that Peter said those words though. But it doesn't mean that God breathed those words into him. One of the two baptisms has to be a type. Either the water or the Baptism by the Holy Spirit into Jesus Christ. Peter in 1peter 3 states that water is a type. We are saved by Grace through fiath not by works lest any man shall boast. I don't see how baptism by water is not a work. Also the thief on the cross. Baptism to be saved people always say thats old testament. They can't prove that they are assuming the thief died first. When Jesus said it is finished....I believe thats when the New Covenant starts offically. Also no one is saved any other way but by faith. Old Testament or New testament. I like to say people in the old testament had salvation on layaway waiting for the Messiah to pay the price. They looked ahead to the cross we look back to the cross.
5	Prophetic perfect tense in other verses?	Ps 102:16	DarcyA	100384
	As a nurse you can sit there and watch a mother cry as her baby is dieing and needs blood but she refuses blood because some elder of a Cult (JW) told her she must let her baby die. I experenced that before I was saved. My girl friend at the time was a JW I sat there while she was in tears watching her baby die. When all it took was blood to save the child. But an Elder came by and talked her into letting her child die or she would be kicked out of the Congergation. That is a CULT especally no wheres in the Bible does it speak of this. It has absolutely nothing to do with a mark of the beast which is damnable. Blood isn't damnable. Jesus shed his blood for us and you go against blood?
6	Prophetic perfect tense in other verses?	Ps 102:16	DarcyA	100383
	Jesus is Lord of Lords King of kings not a prince. (Rev. 19:16) Also all things were created by Jesus without him nothing was created. (John 1:3) ...Michael in Hebrew is; who is like God. If this is true I dunno I never looked it up. But it says like God. Jesus is God. The others who replied to your post I agree with fully. Jesus created Micheal. Micheal is a PRINCE of Israel. Jesus is KING. Micheal also protects Israel but can not rebuke Satan. You can't find that he can in any verse in the Bible. In Dan 10:11 it says THIS word. If Micheal is Jesus why did he say THIS word and not THE word. For Jesus is THE WORD. Dan 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. One of the Chief Princes not THE chief prince. Also note it took 21 days for Micheal to beat a demon. But yet in the new Testement all Jesus had to do was rebuke and it was bye bye demon No wheres does it ever state that Satan himself is allowed to withstand Jesus let alone one of the lower angels as we know as the prince of persia. When Jesus said "Get behind me" guess where satan went? Candy here is a suggestion Get away from Demons Ask Jesus into your life as God incarnate ask for forgiveness. Don't pray to Michael. Then forget everything that the Demons have tought you. And start allowing the Holy Spirit to teach you. That you are saved by Grace through Faith not of yourself least any man shall boast. No angel can save you not even a powerful as MIcheal, For there is his creator who is more powerful and that is Jesus Christ. I am not one to judge salvation, but in this case with this doctrine of Jesus a mere angel I question it. Jesus is God Jesus is the Great I AM Micheal is a powerful Angel under Jesus' control. Also another reason I am so much against this false doctrine is this. I think Before the Fall Satan was more powerful than Michael. Although I can't pin point a verse and say here it is. I think the Bible hints at it. If this is the case and I think it is. The Michael as Jesus Doctrine. Puts Jesus under Satan. Which is what Satan always strived for. Although this post may be harsh I think with what I am rebuking it should be harsh. I went against the WoF point of view harshly and will go against this doctrine harshly because I feel they Lead to the same point it puts Satan above Jesus at one time or another and I won't sit by and see that doctrine thrive on a public forum as this. Darcy
7	Why don't you know for sure?	Eccl 11:6	DarcyA	100212
	...I wouldn't call generation upon generation of Jews going to hell due to rejection of their Messiah "doing well." This statement, I'm not confortable with. I know I could get into a debate on the forum about it. But would rather tnot. I will just say that I am not confotable with it and leave it at that. ...Of course he hasn't, but most Jews nowadays show themselves to be covenant breakers. While he will always preserve a remnant of Israel, spiritual Israel consists of covenant-keeping Jews (read: Christian Jews) and the Gentiles who have been grafted in (read: Christian Gentiles). Those who will be in hell are not recipients of God's eternal covenant blessings. The Jews are promised the Land of Cannon. the Promise was actually given to Abraham God also made the covenant to Himself. If you look back at Genesis God walked through the cut animals alone (This is when Abraham asked God to "prove it" and Abraham had the dream. Abraham never walked through. So technecally speaking Its a Covenant with God. But the way most people view it is Abraham and God who made the covenant with Conditions Abrahams Condition was to leave his home land he did that. When it comes to Hell I believe there is a hell but at the same time I believe there is something we are missing somewheres. I dunno where it is or what it is. For example Jews are given 2 threats they are 1) To be cut off (Kicked out of Israel) 2) To die by the sword. I never see hell as a judgment with them. The New Testement Jesus said about Judas. Its better for him not to have been born. That seems a mild compared to hell. Job wished the same thing in Job. I don't believe in pugatory or anything like that. I just think there is something we are missing and I have no clue what it is. In Christ, Darcy
8	Why don't you know for sure?	Eccl 11:6	DarcyA	100194
	Yes your right :)
9	Why don't you know for sure?	Eccl 11:6	DarcyA	100187
	Bear in mind...As soon as you begin to tell another person what it is that Jesus did on the cross and why He did it, you are instructing them and teaching them. You are indoctrinating them! Do you see my point? It all depends on yuor meaning of Doctrine. My belief is this All Doctrines come from the Cross the Cross is the creator of Doctrines. The Cross itself is not. I believe (This is a doctrine) that God does nothing without the cross. The cross is part of who Jessu Christ is. Salvation is opposite of what we consider "normal" in the world. For example we as humans must know the details than make or Dission. Salvation is opposite of that You get salvation by grace through faith. Once you are saved then you go into the more details of it. You do not get the details first then make up your mind. You get the basics then determine rather you want the gift or not. Thats faith. Understand what I am trying to say? Its hard to put into words for me. But my main point is this ALL doctrines (true doctrines) stem from the cross God does nothing except through Jesus Christ which the Cross is part of Him. The simplist form of the Gospel Message is this "Jesus Christ" or Jesus the Christ which means Jesus the annointed one If you have faith and accept this then I believe you have salvation. All the knowlege happens after that through the Holy Spirit. This post is not worded well, but I think it gets my point. In Christ, Darcy
10	Why don't you know for sure?	Eccl 11:6	DarcyA	100171
	My belief in eternal Salvation isn't a "Doctrine" It is what Jesus did on the cross. I feel strongly you struggle with am I saved or not, what your actually doing is denying what Christ did and giving yourself credit on your salvation. I didn't do anything to recieve the gift of Salvation except believe in Christ. If this is true than how can I exactly lose it? I am just a sinner who was saved by grace. I can't over power what Jesus done. He said in his word I have eternal life. Can't change his word. If I had to "keep" my salvation through works. I would mess that up soo bad. Praise God I don't. This to me is more than a belief it is Absolute truth it is how I live and get up every morning knowing I can't mess this up. No doctrine here.
11	Why don't you know for sure?	Eccl 11:6	DarcyA	100167
	I don't believe they lost their salvation here. It states that he will chastise those he loves. They will get chastized but I believe still will be saved. There is no mention or even a hint of Hell in that verse.
12	Why don't you know for sure?	Eccl 11:6	DarcyA	100166
	You either have ETERNAL life or you don't. I don't see anywheres where you have eternal life then you don't its a contradiction if that was the case. Israel was not spared? They seem to be doing fine It is where Jesus will return and set up his kingdom. God isn't in the habit of breaking promises. Israel was/is being punished, but God has not forgotten them or broke the Covenant with them.
13	Prophetic perfect tense in other verses?	Ps 102:16	DarcyA	100132
	How many JW's die because of there view on Blood Tranfussions? How much belittleing of Jesus Christ is needed to be a cult? How many families are broken up because their elders say not to talk to certain people? How many more slaves do they need in the watch tower? To be considered a cult? They damage the Word of God. They Deny Christ They Are the only ones saved (their belief) They Deny Christ died for all Sin They Deny the Cross They deny the saving power of blood totally. They Deny that many people died for our freedom. What is a cult to you?
14	Prophetic perfect tense in other verses?	Ps 102:16	DarcyA	100131
	...I'll study with any one and enjoy it. I may not agree with them, but I still love them. Candy Lee This is a BIG mistake. You could be studing at a demons table. Satan himself is very cunning. UNo way would I want to debate with him. The Bible states resist the devil, not go into a discussion with him. Eve did just that while she had a glory of God and was decieved. JWs deny that Jesus is God, they say he is Micheal the Arch Angel. Why do you think they do this? It is simple denying who Christ is you will not be saved. The Demon that runs that Cult knows this all to well. JW are thelogical in their beliefs. But are still a cult. Just as Mormons, Mormanism has a manifested power behind them. But when it comes down to it both are cults. Different demons but both are leading people to the same place. Darcy
15	Angels?	Dan 12:1	DarcyA	99880
	Makarios, Thank you, That is what my feelings were on it since I really looked at it a few days ago. I havn't looked at that way until a few days ago. Isaiah 6 is what got me thinking about it. In Christ, Darcy
16	Prophetic perfect tense in other verses?	Ps 102:16	DarcyA	99865
	...I have studied with Jehovah Whitness and I see much truth in their teachings and I also see much error. JW doesn't hold much truth. They Deny Jesus Died for our sin they believe he died for Adamic Sin. They have no eternal security. They believe Jesus was A god. that should be enough to show they hold no truth. The NWT cannot be compared to the KJV. Its like comparing apple and oranges. ...What translation do you recommend for a youth? I'm looking for something for a child ages 9-12. They have a hard time with the KJV. Thanks. Candy Lee I am raising my son with the KJV. He is only 4 but I thought if I started this early he wil be able to understand it as he gets older. Other than the KJV it would have to be NASB. ...Unless you take the time to look up the Hebrew or Greek meanings of every scripture what bible is the most correct? It also depends on what they have used to get the translation. The NWT writers decided to make things up to fit a doctrine. Although KJV has a few errors (like the word Easter) Still can't figure out why they ever did that. It is WAY closer to truth than the NWT.
17	remnant and remainder?	Zeph 2:9	DarcyA	99667
	Very well said Mommapbs God Bless you, Darcy
18	remnant and remainder?	Zeph 2:9	DarcyA	99642
	...They are called the Nation of Islam - do they not also call Abraham their father,believing that they are the sons of the promise that belongs to Ishmael rather than Isaac? This is correct. It is what they believe. Now for will Ishmael: Ishmaels promise is given in Gen 17:20; 25:12-16 17:20 "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. This was fullfilled In Genesis 25:12-16 The 12 Princes are: 1) Nebaioth 2) Kedar 3) Adbeel 4) Mibsam 5) Mishma 6) Dumah 7) Massa 8) Haddad 9) Tema 10) Jetur 11) Naphish 12) Kedemah Althought not all the tribes here needed to be mentioned you will see that the promise for Ishmael was fullfilled already. Now for the entire Islam world Including Essaw's line You will fine When you read the Scriputres they will feel the blunt of the judgment. Psalm 83:4, Ezekiel 35,36,38,39 Plus alot more. In Eze 35:10 "Because you have said, 'These two nations and these two lands will be mine, and we will possess them,' although the LORD was there, This to me is an amazing verse according to Muslims they know Jesus was a jew and was there. But according to this verse they still want to process the land, juts like it is today. I find this verse is exactly what is happening today. It is also one reason why Jesus will judge this nation which is Edom. Ezekiel 38, 39 Is dealing with Russia and Arab nations. It says their blood will go up to the horses bridle and it will take 7 months to clean up the mess. God gave Ishmael a promise but states clearly that is is not the covenant. The promise has been fullfilled. The Church has a covenant and Israel has a covenant. Israel is promised Edom and the Messiah and King which we know is Jesus Christ, The Church along with a whole lot of of promises is promised heaven (John 14) There is verses that state that Israel and some muslims will dwell together. (I can't remember exactly where to find them) In Christ, Darcy
19	Rider -Jesus or Anti-Christ	Rev 6:2	DarcyA	99626
	...A friend and I have believed since Dec.23 of 1988 that this Horseman stands for the "defense and spread of Democracy." Democracy isn't spreading its decling. The USA has appointed people making the Laws of the land (The Supreme Court) Canada is Socialism. Israel the only "democracy" in the middle east. Europe is doing away with Demcracy. I don't believe that Demoracy will ever thrive in the middle east, they do not want demoracy. ...Right now President Bush is doing a superb job in not only containing Terrorism, but in defeating those who would use this evil method to dominate other nations. As much as I like Presedent Bush, I have to disagree alittle here. Saudi Arabia is where most of the highjackers came from. The US is still patting their back. As well as the problem in the middle east with Israel and the terrorists in "Palestine" he is lacking doing anything here except telling Israel not to defend them self fully as Saudi Arabia gives money to the terrorist families. Bush has a long way to go if he survives the next election. Which I hope he does. Bush still hasn't hit terrorists in the heart. Although I don't want a political debate here. I don't see anywheres where democracy is thriving I see it dieing. In Christ, Darcy
20	Christ comes in kingdom power at the End	Mark 9:1	DarcyA	99370
	4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 4:10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 4:11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience. There is the sabbath Christ is the Sabbath. 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- Tell me, Was paul Decieved? You, lower the Sabbath to a day of week. My SSabbath is in Christ, Not one of the Seven days. And you say this is off satan? ...And that I will do. I suppose you think the seventh day baptist and the seventh day holliness are false churches too. I believe anyone who mixes law and Grace together is false. 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Also see Acts 15 These verses tell me exactly what Grace mixed with Works is. ... Rev. says that only 144000 will be saved from the living at the time of his next advent. Put the verse in Contact no where does it say this many will be saved. If it does show me do not add words to it niether. Grace is- Recieving unmettited favor which you do not deserve. Mercy is not getting what you deserve. ...His grace does not give us a licenes to freely sin. I am pretty sick of hearing this one. It what teachers dread to hear that teach grace. here is the answer to this question. Yes you are able to sin as much as you want including more than you want. If you are in Christ you do not want to sin at all. So when you do sin you have sinned more than you want. I sin more than I want daily. Paul called himself the Chief of sinners, this is Paul talking if paul was the chief of sinners, sometimes I hate to think of what does that make me? You either have eternal life or you don't. There is I have it today I don't have it tomorrow. Candy, If I was use I would reread the bible when you do take everything literally unless there is no way you can and it states otherwise. Sir Isaac Newten once said "someday People will take prophecy literally." (Paraphase) This is the day. You also must take out legalisms from Grace its like oil and water they don't mix you either live by the law or by grace.

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