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1	John 8:24- What does this mean to you?	1 John 4:2	Pastor Glenn	157165
	Hello Deep input, To cut through your complaints about modern Christianity, versus the Watchtower bible and tract society, please understand that effectively it is as if you are comparing filthy, muddy legal currency to crisp clean counterfeit currency. You are still choosing the counterfeit if you do not have Jesus as God. Even then the Watchtower is not at all clean as you believe. Do you know anything about their founder? His grave site is marked with a pyramid that shows his belief in the occult. You really need to look it up as others have. You wrote: “The Jehovah Witnesses are different from the world and modern day Christianity. The question then becomes, Is the world that modern day christianity is attached to the one that God loves or hates?” To say that there is a world that God hates is a misconception. The world hates God in there fleshly ways. Are you aware that the Jehovah’s witnesses appealed to the pride of the white man just as the KKK and Mormons did? A proud look is at the top of the list of things that God hates. The 144,000 were said by them to be white men only. Not even white women were to be included. On the show, the former Jehovah’s Witnesses pointed out scripture that proves that Jesus Christ is in fact Jehovah God: Zec 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. They indicated that “my price” is Jehovah talking here. Also look at the next chapter: Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Notice how it says “…they shall look upon me whom they have pierced…”. They said that this is examples of many scriptures that every Jehovah’s witness should know. 2Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Brother Glenn
2	Is Jesus Christ God? Is He your Lord?	1 John 4:2	Pastor Glenn	157134
	Hello deep input, You wrote: “Do I believe Jesus is God. I believe Jesus is God's Son, I believe Jesus is my King, Savior, and friend.” It appears that you have quit a dilemma. You accept Jesus as your King and Lord, but not as your God. This is the same dilemma that all followers of the Watchtower and Tract Society face when they read the scriptures by the Watchtower’s teachings. On one hand, you are taught that the name Jehovah is the most important name in the holy scriptures. On the other hand, you know that the scriptures say that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. Also, you know that there is no other name given among men, whereby we must be saved. “I will serve him with the best of my abilities. I am sad that I have not done this better, but that is what I desire to do. All I know to do is trust the Bible and in John 14:28 Jesus says that the father is greater then himself. From my own understanding which I do not trust, but all I have right now, I don't believe God would call Himself the Son of Man. “ From reading this along with your other posts that question God’s favoritism of some biblical patriots over others, I see that you lack the security of your salvation that only comes from faith in knowing Jesus as God. Hebrews chapter 11 shows that it was faith that made the difference. But faith in what? Jacob wrestled with someone that he thought was a man, but he later said that he had seen God face to face and lived: Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Abram also believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ: Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. Jesus himself could have said that we should search the scriptures because they testify of Jehovah. But no. Instead, He said that they testify of Him (Jesus): John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. “I believe Jesus was sent by his father to this world to save it. Jesus is now, and rightfully so, sitting at the Father's right hand. He is the way, the truth, and the life. He is my Lord!!“ God has said that He will not share His glory with another, but He shared it with His Son at the transfiguration of Christ. John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. Was anyone in the bible ever rebuked for worshipping Christ? Deep input, it is OK to worship your Savior Jesus Christ. 1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. “Now, a question for you. Do you consider yourself a new testament levite? “ No sir. 1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Brother Glenn
3	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153972
	Hello Doc, I think we have a big misunderstanding concerning the "spirit nature". At this time, I wish to comment only on this issue. You wrote: "Regarding your first point: what I am denying is that salvation creates a second man in the believer. Salvation does not create a kind of schizophrenia. Instead, a man is made whole." To speak of a "second man" or "spirit person" is not the same thing as when we say a "spirit nature". A spirit nature is not a “person”, any more than the fleshly (carnal, or beastly) nature is a person. The “soul” is the person. Just as a believer’s soul sometimes chooses the carnal desires or nature (Samson’s life for example), the believer also can choose the spirit desires or nature daily. An unsaved person can choose whether to feed the natural desires of the flesh or not. So, I am trying to explain that while there is no real schizophrenia within a believer, there is a battle. However, I think that we both agree that the Holy Spirit dwelling within the believer creates somewhat of schizophrenia type battle against our "fleshly desires". In short, even though we may never agree on the existence of a “spirit nature”, I am sure we agree on the battle of the flesh vs. the Holy Ghost. I believe that this spirit nature is totally holy since it is born from the Holy Ghost. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:5-6) 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. “For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.” (1 Corinthians 15:53-54) Any comments? Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
4	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153832
	Hello Doc, After looking into the link that you provided in your profile, I wanted to point out that it seems to not show much support for your positions for "born again" being a metaphor or denial of the spirit nature: http://members.aol.com/rbiblech/BasicChristianDoctrine/TOC.htm Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
5	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153790
	Hello Doc, You asked: "Pastor, are you reading my posts fully?" Yes, I am reading your posts fully. However, first of all, since I have never heard a Christian express none belief in the "spirit nature" of a believer as you have, I am studying the subject more deeply. Secondly, I have also never heard a Christian refer to "born again" as a metaphor. Thirdly, you refer to your view as orthodox, when as of yet, I am unable to find much in the way of clear positions on these matters in Creeds and Confessions. I do not doubt your Christianity, I just have never heard anyone on this forum or elsewhere, not even radio or TV ministries, express your positions. Maybe there are many that believe as you do, but I wish that they would speak out also. Here is some of what I found so far: http://www.carm.org/creeds.htm Belgic Confession (1561) This Reformed confession was prepared in 1561 by Guy de Bres (c.1523-1567), who was later martyred, and others, and then slightly revised by Francis Junius (1545-1602) of Bourges. First written in French, it was soon translated into Dutch and Latin. The Synod of Dort (1618-1619) made a revision but did not change the doctrine. It covers the spectrum of theological topics. Article 35: The Sacrament of the Lord's Supper We believe and confess that our Savior Jesus Christ has ordained and instituted the sacrament of the Holy Supper to nourish and sustain those who are already born again and ingrafted into his family: his church. Now those who are born again have two lives in them. The one is physical and temporal-- they have it from the moment of their first birth, and it is common to all. The other is spiritual and heavenly, and is given them in their second birth; it comes through the Word of the gospel in the communion of the body of Christ; and this life is common to God's elect only. http://www.fbctaylors.org/resources/wft.php?wft(equal symbol)146 Dichotomists dismiss the verses trichotomists hold as verification of the spirit/soul distinction. Believing it unnecessary, they find other explanations of verses like 1 Thessalonians 5:23, “…spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless…” They do not see trichotomy in Hebrews 4:12-13, “…piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit…” suggesting it would have to say, “soul from spirit” if it really taught trichotomy. Dichotomy vs. trichotomy is not a distinction to cause separation among brethren, but the man who rejects trichotomy loses one of the most helpful explanations of Biblical psychology. Why explain away these two verses in answering, “Is man a dichotomy or a trichotomy?” Pastor Vaughn, February 1, 2004 I plan to respond in detail in a few days. Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
6	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153770
	Hello Doc, Before I respond to your post I wanted to add more scriptures: 1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. 1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself,[e] and the wicked one does not touch him. "For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable (1 Pet 1:23)." Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
7	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153694
	Hello Doc, Thanks for your response. I really appreciate the opportunity to discuss this subject peacfully and with respect. The paper that you refered to has one drawback that disapoints me; it is limited to Paul. I really need more detailed analysis concerning several other biblical passages like John 3, Eccl 12:7 and Heb 4:12. Yes, I am speaking of believers when using the term born again. Just simply stating that "born again" is a mataphor is not enough. Shouldn't we always look for the direct meaning first? metaphor n : a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity When Christ said "that born of the flesh is flesh and that born of the Spirit is spirit", doesn't He remove the possibility of metaphor? It is hard to find much commentary on scriptures that deal with the difference between soul and spirit like Heb 4:12: Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
8	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153681
	Amen Ray, Thanks for your answer Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
9	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153680
	Amen terrib, Thanks for your answer Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
10	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153678
	Thanks for the link Doc. You wrote: "The orthodox view acknowledges the existance and continued influence of the flesh in the life of the believer. However it denies that man consists of two natures." How then, does the orthodox view explain these scriptures without denying these scriptures as well? Gal 5 16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. John 3 5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. "Born again" here clearly implies something new is born. Please explain how the phrase "choosing to avail ourselves of the means of grace", covers the Lord's teaching of being born again. I am somewhat surprised and puzzled that you did not post a link supporting your view. Notice the phrase "...a new spirit created in them ..." below. I am copying the page that you referenced here: Chapter 13: Of Sanctification 1._____ They who are united to Christ, effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart and a new spirit created in them through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection, are also farther sanctified, really and personally, through the same virtue, by His Word and Spirit dwelling in them; the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed, and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified, and they more and more quickened and strengthened in all saving graces, to the practice of all true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. ( Acts 20:32; Romans 6:5, 6; John 17:17; Ephesians 3:16-19; 1 Thessalonians 5:21-23; Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:24; Colossians 1:11; 2 Corinthians 7:1; Hebrews 12:14 ) 2._____This sanctification is throughout the whole man, yet imperfect in this life; there abideth still some remnants of corruption in every part, whence ariseth a continual and irreconcilable war; the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. ( 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Romans 7:18, 23; Galatians 5:17; 1 Peter 2:11 ) 3._____ In which war, although the remaining corruption for a time may much prevail, yet through the continual supply of strength from the sanctifying Spirit of Christ, the regenerate part doth overcome; and so the saints grow in grace, perfecting holiness in the fear of God, pressing after an heavenly life, in evangelical obedience to all the commands which Christ as Head and King, in His Word hath prescribed them. ( Romans 7:23; Romans 6:14; Ephesians 4:15, 16; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 2 Corinthians 7:1 ) Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
11	filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit	Rom 8:9	Pastor Glenn	153663
	"...Within each of us dwells two natures: the flesh and the Spirit (Eph. 2:1-3, Gal. 5:16-17, John 3:6). They share the same environment. Same body. Identical eyes, ears and other senses. ..." http://www.pluggedinonline.com/discernment/a0001822.cfm Hello Doc, Please check out the article at the link above. I think that you will find it interesting. Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn
12	populate the world	2 Tim 2:15	Pastor Glenn	146500
	Hello 1way, I just did the math using a spreadsheet program. Starting with only one couple, and assuming each couple lived only 40 years while producing 4 children per couple, here is what we get: years - number of people 0- 2 40- 4 80- 8 120- 16 160- 32 200- 64 240- 128 280- 256 320- 512 360- 1024 400- 2048 440- 4096 480- 8192 520- 16384 560- 32768 600- 65536 640- 131072 680- 262144 720- 524288 760- 1048576 800- 2097152 840- 4194304 880- 8388608 920- 16777216 960- 33554432 1000- 67108864 1040- 134217728 1080- 268435456 1120- 536870912 1160- 1073741824 1200- 2147483648 1240- 4294967296 1280- 8589934592 Any questions? Pastor Glenn
13	...	Jude	Pastor Glenn	146186
	Searcher, I just reviewed the terms of use: http://www.studybibleforum.com/termsreview.php It is a huge stretch to call this breaking the rules of the forum. I don't know if you or someone else put in a complaint to get this thread restricted. It is very disturbing and heartless when Terry's life is at stake. Nothing is for sale. The petition is NOT posted on this site. I hope that a good number of loving members got the information before it was lovelessly removed. How slow they are to complain about sick, carnal, unbiblical threads that are allowed to go on for weeks. But a thread with noble Christian action cause is deemed as breaking the rules? 1 John 4 7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 1 Cor 13 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing. 4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Pastor Glenn
14	...	Jude	Pastor Glenn	146177
	Searcher, Where is your Christian heart sir? Pastor Glenn
15	Is Jehovah lying?	John 8:58	Pastor Glenn	145535
	hello Ben, You said, "I had a man tell me just a week ago that unless I believe that Jesus is God, second person of the trinity, I will not be saved. I said if he showed me this from the Bible he would have my rapt attention. His effort to save me ended there." Well, Jesus Christ sure talked an awful lot about Himself. We can also learn a lot from what He did not say about the Father. He could have said "THE FATHER is the way, the truth and the life ...". Also nowhere did He ever tell anyone not to worship Him (Jesus). In another thread, Truthfinder (who was also a NWT advocate said, "And Heb. 1:8-12 reads, NWT, ” 8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever And Psalm 102:25 reads, NWT, 25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth itself, And the heavens are the work of your hands. Here the psalmist was talking about Jehovah God, but the apostle Paul applied these words to Jesus Christ as you say in Hebrews 1:10, 11 As it turns out, these words apply to Jesus, for he acted as Jehovah’s Agent in creating the universe just as Colossians 1:15, 16 tells us. So Jesus, too, could be said to have “laid the foundations of the earth.” Yes, all three were involved in creating the universe and man. (Let us..), God’s active force or holy, God’s Son and he himself. Truthfinder" I wanted to point out that since it is impossible to come to the Father without Christ, Jesus is far more than just an agent. A client can bypass his agent if he so desires. But Christ cannot be bypassed: Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." John 14 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[2] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." 8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." 9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. (NKJV) Also, since Jesus is our creator, He is Jehovah. Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Nehemiah 9:6 You alone are the LORD . You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you. Psalm 69:34 Let heaven and earth praise him, the seas and all that move in them, Psalm 146:6 the Maker of heaven and earth, the sea, and everything in them- the LORD , who remains faithful forever. Acts 4:24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. "Sovereign Lord," they said, "you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. Acts 14:15 "Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them. Revelation 5:13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" Revelation 10:6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay! Revelation 14:7 He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water." Ben, since nowhere in scripture are we told NOT to worship Christ, why not try it. Invite Him in to your heart. If He is not God, then of course He can not come in to your heart and mine at the same time or else He would be omnipresent wouldn't He? Pastor Glenn
16	are you saved by Jesus Christ or Jehovah	John 8:58	Pastor Glenn	145502
	Hello Ben, This reference to Psalm 102:25-27 actually begins at verse 10: Heb 1 10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; 12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail." Psalm 102 25 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26 They will perish, but You will endure; Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. 27 But You are the same, And Your years will have no end. If Jehovah is the one being adressed in Psalm 102 then how can anyone deny that Heb 1 is not speaking of Jehovah/Jesus Christ? Pastor Glenn
17	are you saved by Jesus Christ or Jehovah	John 8:58	Pastor Glenn	145500
	Hello Ben, You said, "Paul quotes many Hebrew verses, referring back and forth between "the son" and "God, his God." Once again, because Heb 1:8 is mistranslated in most modern Protestant Bibles (see the actual Psalm 45:6,7 for proof) as is "proskuneo" in verse 6." Please focus on Heb 11-12: 11They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; 12Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail." "I don't see why a person wouldn't want to be Christ-like and worship the God he worshiped alone. Psalm 83:18 says Jehovah "alone" is Most High God (that means by himself, by the way). Yet the angel told Mary that her child would be "called Son of the Most High." (Luke 1:32) Man that's simple." Yes, I agree that He is the Son of the Most High. Where we disagree is what He was called before He was made flesh. Psalm 102 The LORD's Eternal Love A Prayer of the afflicted, when he is overwhelmed and pours out his complaint before the LORD. Begin at verse 1 of Psalm 102 and identify the individual being addressed in the passage. The scripture begins, "O Jehovah, do hear my prayer." 1 Hear my prayer, O LORD, And let my cry come to You. 2Do not hide Your face from me in the day of my trouble; Incline Your ear to me; In the day that I call, answer me speedily. 3For my days are consumed like smoke, And my bones are burned like a hearth. 4My heart is stricken and withered like grass, So that I forget to eat my bread. 5Because of the sound of my groaning My bones cling to my skin. 6I am like a pelican of the wilderness; I am like an owl of the desert. 7I lie awake, And am like a sparrow alone on the housetop. 8My enemies reproach me all day long; Those who deride me swear an oath against me. 9For I have eaten ashes like bread, And mingled my drink with weeping, 10Because of Your indignation and Your wrath; For You have lifted me up and cast me away. 11My days are like a shadow that lengthens, And I wither away like grass. Skip down to verse 12 and notice that Jehovah remains the subject of the psalm. 12But You, O LORD, shall endure forever, And the remembrance of Your name to all generations. 13You will arise and have mercy on Zion; For the time to favor her, Yes, the set time, has come. 14For Your servants take pleasure in her stones, And show favor to her dust. 15So the nations shall fear the name of the LORD, And all the kings of the earth Your glory. 16For the LORD shall build up Zion; He shall appear in His glory. 17He shall regard the prayer of the destitute, And shall not despise their prayer. 18This will be written for the generation to come, That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD. Notice that Jehovah continues to appear in verses 19 and 20 . 19For He looked down from the height of His sanctuary; From heaven the LORD viewed the earth, 20To hear the groaning of the prisoner, To release those appointed to death, 21To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, And His praise in Jerusalem, 22When the peoples are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve the LORD. 23He weakened my strength in the way; He shortened my days. 24I said, "O my God, Do not take me away in the midst of my days; Your years are throughout all generations. This is important because once you get to verse 25 the significance of the words will be manifest. Jehovah is addressed in the very same words that the writer to the Hebrews uses of the Son, Jesus Christ! Hebrews 1 11They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; 12Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail." I want to make it clear that there is no reason to think that anyone other than Jehovah is being addressed by the psalmist in Psalm 102:25-27. Psalm 102 25Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26They will perish, but You will endure; Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. 27But You are the same, And Your years will have no end. 28The children of Your servants will continue, And their descendants will be established before You." Pastor Glenn
18	are you saved by Jesus Christ or Jehovah	John 8:58	Pastor Glenn	145439
	Hello Ben, I am guessing that most of your comments are generally against the entire thread around ID 88404. In conclusion you said, "Don't side with losers, blind guides, that took it upon themselves to not use God's self-given name, Jehovah. What blasphemy!" Lets focus on only one scripture now. Use your NWT if you have one. Begin at verse 1 of Psalm 102 and identify the individual being addressed in the passage. The scripture begins, "O Jehovah, do hear my prayer." Skip down to verse 12 and notice that Jehovah remains the subject of the psalm. Notice that Jehovah continues to appear in verses 19 and 20 . This is important because once you get to verse 25 the significance of the words will be manifest. Jehovah is addressed in the very same words that the writer to the Hebrews uses of the Son, Jesus Christ! I want to make it clear that there is no reason to think that anyone other than Jehovah is being addressed by the psalmist in Psalm 102:25-27. So what do you find here? Pastor Glenn
19	are you saved by Jesus Christ or Jehovah	John 8:58	Pastor Glenn	145332
	May I show you one of the places where the Bible teaches us that Jesus IS “Jehovah“? See my post at ID 88404 To view it simply enter the numbers 88404 into your "Quick Search" box in the upper right side of your window.
20	Is BeDuhn correct on John 8:58?	John 8:58	Pastor Glenn	145267
	fellow worker, You said, "... On the other hand, he boldly declares that “when the Protestant Reformation occurred just five hundred years ago, it did not re-invent Christianity from scratch, but carried over many of the doctrines that had developed within Catholicism over the course of the previous thousand years and more. In this sense, one might argue that the Protestant Reformation is incomplete, that it did not fully realize the high ideals that were set for it.” Amen to that." Reinvent Christianity? Remove the testimony of Jesus Christ and replace it with the testimony of Jehovah? Anti-Christ. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Pastor Glenn

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