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1561 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | stjohn | 216816 | ||
Dear Vintage, I agree with your post, and I think you did a good job in making your point with Scripture and keeping it simple. Many of the views of when these thing will happen are long, drawn out and, confusing, as far as I'm concerned. One this you said that I have to question though is your question: Aren't there a lot of events that need to be accomplished before the rapture?" Implying that somethings need to be accomplished before the Rapture can happen. I cant say for sure of course and I don't believe for a moment that anyone else can either, but I don't believe there are. :-) I also don't see anywhere in Scripture where it says that the Rapture is a single event. Just food for thought. :-) Thanks for a good old common sense post. John |
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1562 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | stjohn | 216818 | ||
Vintage, I don't really see why we wouldn't be here if nothing needs to be accomplished. He certainly could be just waiting as He has done in His great mercy and loving patience so many times before, for the iniquity of sinners to be complete (Genesis 15:16). And I didn't say I believed that there is not a single event, though I may lean that way I'm really not sure about it, but I merely implied that there is that possibility. It sure would put a lot of debate to rest though! By the way, Vintage, though I don't mind too much, I still don't really like to get into a discussion about Eschatology because, as you also have pointed out, (and especially here on the forum) it just calls for too much speculation. :-) I do for the most part like your reasoning on this though, it make sense to me too. And not too complicated too. I don't think our Father intended it to be that hard. I like what old Dr. H. A. Ironside said, at least I think it was him who said: "Our loving Father don't put the cookies on the top shelf where his kids cant reach them." Or something like that. :-) Thanks! John |
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1563 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | stjohn | 216835 | ||
Dear CDBJ, Can you show scripturally that 1 Thes. 5:2 is in reference to those outside of Christ? I was under the impression that Thessalonians was written to believers. I was also taught that it is in reference to the fact that we should be ready at all times as though He could come at any time. So we are to prepare and be ready always, so when He does come, we will be looking for Him, and not be surprised as though He came as a thief in the night, and not be looking for something else like so many who are more interested in looking for the antichrist and not Christ. John |
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1564 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | stjohn | 216843 | ||
Well, thanks CDBJ, thats very well said. But I don't really see in there that that proves that theory. I don't mean to sound flip, sir, but, using that logic and, saying that: "When Paul uses the words “they and them” he is referring to those outside of Christ or those that don’t obey the gospel message." Well, sir, verse 2, looks to me like it may contradict that. It says: "For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night." Paul is quite obviously talking to them (the Church) because he addresses them very plainly and personally as, you, and yourselves. I don't see how that can be taken that Paul is referring to those 'outside' of Christ, when he says that they: "know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night." What Paul is ultimately telling them is, to be spiritually ready, and never tells them when nor does it say 'when' anywhere in Scripture when the day of the Lord will be. He goes on in verse 3 etc, to show them how it will be for those outside of the Church, because for them it will indeed be a terrible day, but for the Church, it will be a day of rejoicing in His coming. I kinda like what Matthew Henry has to say on vv 1-5 it really says it well and gives a good perspective on whether we should be so engrossed and predisposed in looking for the DAY of the Lord, when we should be focussed only on the Lord Himself: "It is needless or useless to ask about the particular time of Christ's coming. Christ did not reveal this to the apostles. There are times and seasons for us to work in, and these are our duty and interest to know and observe; but as to the time when we must give up our account, we know it not, nor is it needful that we should. The coming of Christ will be a great surprise to men. Our Lord himself said so. As the hour of death is the same to each person that the judgment will be to mankind in general, so the same remarks answer for both. Christ's coming will be terrible to the ungodly. Their destruction will overtake them while they dream of happiness, and please themselves with vain amusements. There will be no means to escape the terror or the punishment of that day. This day will be a happy day to the righteous. They are not in darkness; they are the children of the light. It is the happy condition of all true Christians. But how many are speaking peace and safety to themselves, over whose heads utter destruction is hovering! Let us endeavor to awaken ourselves and each other, and guard against our spiritual enemies." Matthew Henry And now sir, I bid you adieu and God bless. You may have the last word, but I'll let it just be. I don't really see anything substantive about these long deadened discussions about Eschatology. Scripture simply doesn't say when, and I think we should leave it at that, but it does say to be spiritually ready at all times so that we will be waiting for His coming and not overtaken by fear when He does come. Of corse, there always will be those who say they know the time, or how you can know the time, but actually, they just think they know. Thanks for your time, sir. :-) John |
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1565 | Do you have any scriptures? | 2 Thess 2:3 | stjohn | 188047 | ||
Dear MR... In the spirit of 2Thess 2:3a "Let no one in any way deceive you," You seem to be ether unable or unwilling to answer a direct question. This line of discussion is confusing and apparently evasive. You say that you are holding to something you have. May I ask what that is? May I ask if you have a motive in this? I apologize if I am off base, but I am confused by your methods. Perhaps you could please make your point, as I am having trouble following. God bless. John |
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1566 | God always gets what he desires? T or F | 1 Tim 2:3 | stjohn | 213169 | ||
Amen brother CDBJ... Ain't it the truth! Man! That is some good stuff! :-) John |
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1567 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208128 | ||
Hi Cheri, I think unlike Abram and Sarai, in the case of Eve's misspeaking, we cant say wether or not Eve "believed" what she said, in which case we don't really know if it was a lie, so scripture doesn't really support her telling a lie. does it? Just my two cents sis. And I hope that made cents, ah, I mean, sense! :-) Shalom and God bless John |
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1568 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208134 | ||
Thank you too, Cheri... Yes, it would be hard, if not impossible, from what is given to us in the scripture, to see that she had a motive either, so thats a very good point by Azure. Good question too, sister Cheri. John |
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1569 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208136 | ||
Yes it is a great forum! Hey cheri, what's up with your email addresses they both keep getting flagged as invalid-?? Drop me an email will you please? It may be something at my end. Sorry to the forum for a question not about Bible study. |
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1570 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208138 | ||
Sister Azure, you wrote, "Isn't it a picture, a teaching for us to handle rightly and accurately God's Words so that we leave no chance for Satan's temptaion? See how so many heresies and false teachers flourished for the same reason?" All I can add to that Azure, Is, Amen! God bless John |
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1571 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208152 | ||
Hi brother Steve: Good question; but we see that the serpent didn't refute her repeating of what she considered to be the gist of God's command, but responded with what is generally considered the first lie in scripture, and therefore makes satin the father of all lies, as Jesus calls him in, John 8:44, he is the source of all lying. when he said to her, "You will not surely die." and then strays further from truth by saying, "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." so I can't really see Eve as telling a lie. And though we do see God calling His creation "good" because of her pride in wanting to be more then God had made her to be, and so, to be more like Him, was indeed the temptation at hand. It, (Creation, and Eve being part of it) was not so perfect, as in the sense that we attribute perfection to God himself, so we would not necessarily consider Adam, or Eve, as being perfect, obviously, though they were not fallen yet, per-say, but it was indeed in their nature to succumb to temptation. Just my two cents. God bless John |
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1572 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208178 | ||
"behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil." Gen 3:5 "which is generally understood as an irony or sarcasm at man's deception by Satan, who promised man, and he expected to be as gods, knowing good and evil; behold the man, see how much like a god he looks, with his coat of skin upon his back, filled with shame and confusion for his folly, and dejected under a sense of what he had lost, and in a view of what he was sentenced to; yet must be understood not as rejoicing in man's misery, and insulting over him in it, but in order the more to convince him of his folly, and the more to humble him, and bring him to a more open repentance for affecting what he did, and giving credit to the devil in it:" John Gill |
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1573 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208180 | ||
Well Brother, you wrote; "is this not attributing to her a fallen nature prior to the fall?" I don't really know for sure, Steve, and I don't know if we can, know for sure that is, but it seems to me, logically, (i.e. if my logic isn't failing me; "again!") then there was certainly, "something" in her nature (before the fall) that was going to succumb to temptation, so....? John |
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1574 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208188 | ||
Hi Lionstrong: Perhaps by nature, yes, I think maybe so. When I look at a baby girl taking her first breath, though she may be supposedly innocent as yet, of committing the act of sin, falling into sin, we know she will. I believe God knew, (after all, it was part of His plan) that Eve would too. Her pride had to be a motivating factor for her to even want to be, more then she was. What other motivator but pride would cause her to want to be like God? Isn't that what got Satin booted? John |
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1575 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208198 | ||
Hi Lyonstrong; I never said they or she was a sinner before the fall; but I don't think you can definitely say it was not in her nature to do so wether it was a trick or wether it was pride or both, or she would not have done it. And I repeat, if I may, God knew she would! I don't really see any reason to argue the point. I find it a very typical answer tough, that a child, or anyone for that matter, when confronted with a misdeed would say, she was tricked and transfer the blame to someone els. Just because scripture says that she "said" that she was tricked, does not necessarily mean that that was the "only" reason; I personally believe we cant really know for sure; it's just my opinion, I'm not pushing any doctrine, and you have a right to your opinion as well :-) Shalom and God bless John |
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1576 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208200 | ||
I don't know about you brother, but even as a believer I know I'm still flawed, though I know when we see Him we will be like Him. As long as we still got this skin on us, I think we will not be all too perfect. :-) You can have the last word if you like brother, but I think it may be getting a little sticky in here. :-) Shalom and God bless John |
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1577 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208203 | ||
Free will yes, but I believe a flawed free will nonetheless; or I don't think she would have made the wrong choice. And yes, there are those that think they would have made a better one, I've even mistakenly entertained that thought myself! Duh! :-) I don't really see that it is necessarily an error to think her not perfect, though not yet fallen into sin, albeit an assumed flaw, there seems to me there had to be "something" in her "nature" though not yet fallen into sin with the act of disobedience, that allowed her to make the wrong choice. I believe some kind of flaw must have had to be present in her. An unflawed, perfect free will, would not have made that "bad" choice: would it? Just my two cents :-) |
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1578 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208204 | ||
Hi CDBJ! Good to see you still around! Well brother Chuck, I honestly can't say that I have wondered about that. Good question though. God bless John |
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1579 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208205 | ||
Me too! What "will" we need it for? hmm... | ||||||
1580 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | stjohn | 208251 | ||
Amen, and amen brother Hank! Sir, would you mind very much, if I quoted you on this? There are a few dear brothers and sisters that I know out here, that could use a good dose of this kind of good old common sense, which is, as you know, not so common.... A side note; on "being remembered after we're gone". Upon retiring as a long time school administrator, and lofty position of 'District Director of Schools' while he was thinking and reflecting that, he would be well missed: This friend of mine, was told by his wise old father in law, --"If you put your elbow in a bucket of water, then quickly, pull it out...... the time it takes to fill the hole in the water, that was left by the absence of your elbow, will be about how long it will take to fill your shoe's in your position in school administration."-- :-) God bless you, dear brother Hank! John |
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