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1021 | The Bible written in code ? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 152172 | ||
Hi Hank, Certainly, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. I learned of Christ through His Word, as did we all, either by hearing it preached, or seeing a movie, or testimony of a friend, however it came, it was His Word that came. Tit 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour; It is by the preaching of the Apostles, recorded in the New Testament, that God has chosen to proclain His Christ. 1 Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Not all people receive His Word in the same way. For us it is useful for all that things you quoted. It teaches us and changes us and will be used by our Lord to bring us home to glory. But for those who are perishing it is foolishness. How many people sit in the same pews as we do, day after day, week after week, untouched, unchanged. Men like Charles Templeton, who preached the gospel unto salvation for many, was yet not the recipient of saving faith himself. I could not agree more strongly than I do that the Word of God is ignored in faver of feelings, or opinions, or "special revelation". Those who do that imperil their eternal soul, and risk being caught in a web of pride that may send them to hell. I dislike the name of this thread, because the Bible was not written in code, it was written plainly, yet profoundly. Without the Holy Spirit it is meaningless to save, but with His Spirit it is the power of God to salvation. 1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. How does faith come? I don't know, at least in the same sense as asking "how does electricity come through the wire?" It comes through His Word, through preaching, through the glory of the heavens, all I can say is, "Thank You, LORD, that You gave faith to me!" Love in Christ, Mark |
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1022 | The Bible written in code ? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 152170 | ||
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Do you not know of these people, who read, even study, God's Word, yet without faith, and without repentance? Faith is a gift from God. I cannot force this gift by reading the Bible. God uses His Word, and the preaching of His Word, as a conduit to give faith. But that conduit is not subject to man, but it is subject to God. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1023 | The Bible written in code ? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 152124 | ||
You wrote "'An important question to ask ourselves is, "Why are we so fascinated by codes and mysterious messages in a book as clear as the Bible?" To be perfectly honest, Kalos, I am completely fascinated by everything that God says and does. I do not have such a line that I will say "I will study just so far, but no farther!" I want to know everything that God chose to put in His letter to us. Remember, merely reading, or even studying the Bible, will not necessarily result in Christian faith. Faith comes from God, and if you don't get it from Him, you don't get it. People mis-use scripture day in and day out. What was that I hear? Was that a baby going down the drain? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1024 | Sorry | 2 Cor 11:3 | mark d seyler | 152123 | ||
Hi Sinner, I appreciate your interest in knowing the minds of the translators, and how they approach scripture. Since translation neccessitates interpretation, it is important to know their mindset. In Hebrew poetry, (and perhaps someone who is actually a Hebrew scholar would be so kind as to correct me if I am wrong), instead of using meter and rhyme as we do, uses comparison and contrast. As the translators examine the text, they spot the characturistic forms of Hebrew poetry, and parse it accordingly so we may more readily recognize it. When you read Hebrew poetry, look for the initial statement, then match to it the following comparisons and contrasts. Then look for the next beginning statement, and it's comparisons and contrasts. A simple, made up example, would be: The righteous are in the LORD's keeping, He holds them in His hand. The righteous are the LORD's forever, The wicked will go down to the pit. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1025 | The Bible written in code ? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 152122 | ||
Hi Searcher, The point I wanted to make was that it is one thing to say that you believe something about someone, but it is certainly another to demonstrate the evidence. If you disparage a Bible teacher, perhaps you might give examples of where they are wrong? Typology, in all but very few instances, is reading something into the text that is not there. There are only a couple of places that the Bible states something is given as a type. So let me ask you: Where does the Bible say that Isaac is a type of Christ, Abraham a type of the Father, Eliezar the servant a type of the Holy Spirit, and Rebecca a type of the church? No where! The Father, after offering His Son as a sacrifice, sends His Servant to obtain a Gentile bride for His Son, giving her gifts. In upper case, its the story of Jesus and the church. In lower case, its the story Isaac and Rebecca. Does that force the Bible to say something that God did not intend? The Genealogy from Adam to Noah, translated to English: Adam - Man, Seth - Appointed, Enos - Mortal, Kenan - Sorrow or mourning, Maheleleel - The Blessed God, Jared - comes down, Enoch - teaching, Methuselah - His death will bring, Lamech - despair, Noah - rest. Man appointed mortal sorrow. The Blessed God comes down teaching. His death will bring the despairing rest. The Christian gospel, concealed in a genealogy in the Torah. Plain text? No. Does this change the Bible's message? No. Inserted by Chuck Missler? No. Bible Code? You decide. Did Jesus, David, or the Apostles tell us that Psalm 22 prophesied the death of the Messiah? No. Eisegesis? No. Forcing the text into something God did not intend? No. The Holy Spirit tells us that as we read the Psalm. God did not spell out how many years Israel would be exiled from the land following their captivity. But putting it all together from Leviticus, Ezekiel, and Jeremiah, they were due back under their own rule, in their own land, in 1948. Do the math - it works! God is so much bigger than any of us can possibly imagine. Why is there such strong resistance to the notion that He left His fingerprints all over His Word? Typology, the meanings of names, of places, letter sequence codes, the heptatic structure of the Bible, none of these things change the meaning of His Word, or alter His commands to us, one iota! But they display the infinate creativity of the Author, as we continue to stand ever amazed by Him. And so it shall be forever! There is so much in the Bible that could bring us everything from these small insights into the mind of God, and how He communicates, and authenticates His word, to the bigger issues of faith and deliverance, that could lead us in lives of hope and joy (and here, due to this being the last of the last days, I am really thinking of the teachings of rapture), but for so many that will not enter in, nor do they let others enter in. We need to be careful to only teach what the Bible teaches. We also need to be careful that we do not claim that the Bible does not teach that which it does. We have to judge these things by the rest of what the Bible says. If there is not complete agreement, than we are not looking at it right. but if there is complete agreement, then what is the issue if a particular matter is plainly written, or hidden? (Pro 25:2 The glory of God is to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.) Sorry for the "soapboxing" - but some of us become so quick to say "the Bible doesn't say that" - Well, in fact there are certain things that the Bible does not come straight out with. But it says them nonetheless. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1026 | Why do people get it wrong? | 1 Tim 5:17 | mark d seyler | 151786 | ||
Amen, Kalos! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1027 | Sprinkling vs. Immersion | Rom 6:1 | mark d seyler | 151761 | ||
Hi Emmaus, and Nick: I appreciate what you are saying about not continuing on a topic that leads to debate and endless disagreement. But this advice is not just for Catholics, it is for all on the forum. As Emmaus said, teaching, and converting, is for the Holy Spirit to do. But please make your point the very best you know how. We all have much to learn from each other. I personally think that the protestant reformation, at least to the extent as we see the results today, perhaps went a little too far, and left behind certain concepts that properly belong. Emmaus, and you, can provide a window in to centuries of study and teaching, of which, even though we may disagree on some things, others are still valid. Let all be according to His Word, and in love for the brethren. Welcome to the forum. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1028 | The fear of the Lord is his treasure? | Is 33:6 | mark d seyler | 151425 | ||
Hi Hank, I notice the title of this thread refers to treasure. To me, treasure is being able to sit down and read my Bible, without filters, without second guessing, just taking in the Word of God, opening myself up to be changed by the mighty power of His Holy Word! To be sure, I spend time examining a paragraph, a verse, a word, and God gives me treasure there too. But there's nothing like just reading and reading, and letting the Holy Spirit move in me. The Word of God is alive! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1029 | Theological Term: Divine Providence | Job 23:13 | mark d seyler | 151424 | ||
Thank you, Doc, I downloaded it to read over the weekend, also with the sinners sermon. These writings have the same effect on me, which is something I need on a regular basis. May God's rich grace cover us both! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1030 | The fear of the Lord is his treasure? | Is 33:6 | mark d seyler | 151417 | ||
Hi Ray, So you are choosing according to which reading makes more sense to you, considering the context, and the pattern of pronoun usage in other passages by the same writer? Perhaps also with a consideration towards standardizing punctuation and grammatical patterns? If the answers to these questions are yes, then yes, I do understand better where you are coming from. Thank you! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1031 | Theological Term: Divine Providence | Job 23:13 | mark d seyler | 151412 | ||
Hi Seedling, You may want to read this: http://www.jonathanedwards.com/sermons/Warnings/sinners.htm This is a sermon preached by Jonathon Edwards in 1741. I don't think I have every heard preaching like this in my life, and I wonder how many people would remain in the pews for it today. In understanding the wrath of God against sin, we can perhaps more fully appreciate His grace towards us sinners. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1032 | Order of Worship | 1 Cor 14:26 | mark d seyler | 150866 | ||
My heart goes out to you, and I will pray for you in these weeks to come. My pastor normally gives an evangelistic type message, and we follow the prescribed format that we have for years. Recently, when he was on a trip for a few weeks, an assistant pastor stepped in, who really has a heart for exhorting the body to higher levels of ministry, and towards allowing the Holy Spirit to minister through us towards each other. He had five speaking opportunities, and he used each one to teach a powerful lesson on how this can happen, the goals of edification, the neccessity of commitment and service, and related topics. This was some of the best teaching I had heard from our pulpit for a long time. He didn't try to change the format or style (at least not very much :-) ). But he did try to wake up the church, and I am certain that, at least to some degree, he succeeded. I say all of that to say this: God is giving you an opportunity. He has a mission for you to perform. You must be wise about this, and Spirit-led, and prayerful (not nec. in that order!). You have a vision that the church desparately needs, and a chance to share it. Go get 'em, tiger! May God most richly bless you!!! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1033 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150675 | ||
Hi Tim, The things which you have seen - this would be John's first vision, correct? The things which are - this does not refer to a vision, but rather to what is happening contemporary to John. The things which will take place after these things - the phrase in question: We're looking at this in one of two ways, either "write the things which will take place after these visions" or "write the things which will take place after these things that are now". Four times "things" appears in this sentence. The first three, I think we agree, refer to the contents of the visions. Do we have any reason to think that the fourth does not as well? If we take the plainest, simplest meaning, for lack of any reason to think otherwise, then we must see this as a progression of events. So I would say, yes, it could describe the order of the vision, but I don't see any reason why it would. And when combined with vs. such as 4:1 and 7:1, this conclusion seems inescapable. I find texual cues throughout this book indicating a linear flow of events. Do you see any that show overlapping or rearranging of events? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1034 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150673 | ||
You wrote "The first chapter of Revelation is "the things you have seen." Revelation two and three cover "the things which are"; and Revelation four through twenty-one are "the things which shall take place after these things." The disproportionate attention given to the "things which shall take place after these things (Revelation 4-21)," suggests that the temporal outline of the book is not the key to its structure. This is particularly true given that the seven churches receive promises that are both first century and futuristic in nature. In other words, there is an overlap of "the things which are" and "things which shall take place after these things." This undermines any attempt to force a strict interpretation of Revelation 1:19 as the dogmatic outline of the book of Revelation.” I may describe my day, in saying, “I got out of bed, showered, and made lunch. Now I am driving to work. When I get there, I will check my email, write orders, make phone calls, write letters, have meetings, go to lunch, etc.” I have included much more detail about what comes after I arrive at work, however, this is no wise affects the chronology of what I am saying. Simply because a portion of scripture contains more information than another portion in no wise gives us a reason to ignore the chronological indicators given plainly in the text. The Outline of the Book of the Revelation in 1:19: “Write what things you saw, and what things are, and what things are about to occur after these things (meta tauta).” This describes sequential narrative, one thing being before another. Rev 4:1 “After these things (meta tauta) I saw. And behold, a door being opened in Heaven! And I heard the first voice as a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you what needs to happen after these things (meta tauta).” To simplify what John is saying about his visions, “After these things I saw what must happen after these things” Again, he is describing a sequential narrative. To view this outline in any other way ignores the plain, simple meaning of this text. The first words in Rev. 7:1 are “meta tauta”, or “after these things”. John describes the sealing of the 144,000 and the innumerable multitude appearing in heaven. In chapter 8, the seventh seal is opened, and seven angels are given trumpets, and begin to sound them. Seals, Trumpets, and Bowl happen in order. Any interpretation that overlaps or rearranges these is not supported by the text. The promises given to the church in these letters are in fact contemporary and futuristic, however that does not in and of itself mean that there is an overlap between the “things which are” (i.e. the things of the church), and that which happens after (i.e. after the things of the church). Promises given to the true church in the seven letters are pertaining to its earthly existance, until the time of the 70th week, and to its heavenly existance, but not to any time period involving the 70th week. “Jezebel” and her adulterers will be cast into “great tribulation”; this is not the true church. Loadicea will be “spat out”; this is not the true church. Philedelphia will be “kept from” the hour of testing which is coming to “try them that dwell upon the earth”; this is the true church. If you keep the children from the test period at school, do you: A) Send them into the room, and not let anyone near them with a test? Or B) Not send them into the room? What is the plain, simple, and true meaning of these verses? 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
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1035 | the elect | Matt 24:22 | mark d seyler | 150661 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, It's good to hear from you! As far as I can tell in my studies, the 70th week, which we commonly (mistakenly, in my view) refer to as the "Tribulation", is meant for Israel. I do not see the church spoken of in any of the scriptures that refer to the 70th week. The church has been promised not to undergo the wrath of God, and the wrath of God begins immediately after the beginning of the 70th week. Myself, I see the church in Revelation 7:9-10 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." I think the seals are opened immediately following the beginning of the 70th week, that the church is removed and the 144,00 Jews are sealed, and the judgment of God begins. Luke 21:36 "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." There is much more detail I can give if you wish me to, either on this forum, or privately (you have my e-mail). Again, I enjoy hearing from you, and God bless you! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1036 | people who have never heard the Gospel ? | Heb 7:25 | mark d seyler | 150248 | ||
Danny, Be careful, my friend, as you are putting yourself in the position of judging God. Consider: Rom 2:11 For there is no partiality with God. Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; Rom 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. Rom 2:14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, Rom 2:15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, Each of us know inside what right and wrong is. Each of us have intentionally done that which we know is wrong. Each of us will die, because sin brings death, unless we receive the redemption purchased for us by Jesus Christ. Hebrews also tells us that God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. That would be whether or not they have been taught from the Bible. God has His ways! Draw near to Him, and He will draw near to you. You may find the first few chapters of Romans extremely relevant to this discussion. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1037 | Take Him for His Word | Matt 24:2 | mark d seyler | 150220 | ||
Hi MJH, For me, the key to understanding this portion of scripture is in Eze 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places. 8 In their setting of their threshold by my thresholds, and their post by my posts, and the wall between me and them, they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger. 9 Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me, and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever. 10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. Eze 43:11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them. My understanding, although I have never heard or read of this being taught, is that God gave this vision to Ezekiel of the temple He wanted Israel to build when they returned from captivity. "And if they be ashamed of all that they have done. . . . write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them." If when Israel returned from their captivity, they were repentant, let them build this temple, keep the sacrifices, and the LORD would dwell there forever. This would have been the temple Messiah came to. We know that Israel did not build this temple, most didn't even return to Israel. Not until Israel is repentant, believing, and gathered into the land will this temple be built, in other words, not until Jesus comes. But then, the Perfect Sacrifice will have put away the animal sacrifices for sin. Jesus will be served by a kingdom of priests. And the LORD will dwell in the midst forever!!! Like I said, I have never heard this from anyone else, it's just how it makes sense to me. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1038 | rapture before wrath | Rev 11:3 | mark d seyler | 150151 | ||
In Revelation 11 we are told of two witnesses who prophecy for 1260 days. During this time, fire comes from their mouths to devour anyone who would try to hurt them. They can send any plague on the earth anytime they want. When they have finished their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit (this is the beast that Mystery Babylon rides, with 10 horns which are 10 kings – Rev. 17:8, 12) will kill them. They will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, then come back to life and ascend into heaven. In the same hour there will be a great earthquake, and following this, we are told that the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly. In Rev. 8:13, following the sounding of the fourth trumpet, we are told of an angel declaring 3 woes of the 3 remaining trumpets, which will sound. Revelation 13 speaks of the beast from the sea, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his head 10 crowns. This same description is given of the beast that Babylon rides (Rev. 17), which we are told in Rev. 17:8 ascends out of the bottomless pit, which is locked until the fifth trumpet is sounded. Compare this beast with the one described by Daniel in Dan. 7:19-21. The beast from the sea, in Revelation 13:5-7, is given power to continue for forty-two months, during which time he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. Daniel also gives this prophecy in Daniel 7:25 “and they (the saints) are given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time (a year, 2 years, and half a year).” The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days, until their testimony is done, and then they are overcome by the beast (Rev. 11:7). According to Daniel 7:21-22, the beast, whose 10 horns are 10 kings, prevails over the saints until the Ancient of Days comes, and the kingdom is given to the saints. The duration that the beast overcomes the saints is 3 1/2 years, or 42 months (Dan 7:25, Rev. 13:3-5). Jesus returns to earth to establish His rule, which the saints will share, at the end of the 70th week (Dan. 9:24-27, Rev. 20:4). If the beast overcomes the saints for 3 1/2 years ending at the Second Coming, and the two witnesses prophesy for 3 1/2 years until the beast overcomes them, then they must be prophesying during the first 3 1/2 years. The second woe is the sounding of the sixth trumpet (loosing 4 angels bound at the Euphrates to kill 1/3 of mankind, and 200,000,000 ‘horsemen’ with power to kill). In Rev. 9:11, following the fifth trumpet (a five month plague of demonic ‘locusts’), we are told that the first woe is past, and two more are coming. In Revelation 11:14, “the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly”. These judgments are happening sequentially, one finishing before the next begins. If the second woe is passed 3 1/2 days after the middle of the Tribulation, the first woe, or the fifth trumpet, begins 5 months or more before the midpoint. Therefore, the seals are opened and trumpets sounded, at least through the fifth, and possibly the sixth trumpet, well before the middle of the 70th week. In Revelation 9:20, the trumpets are referred to as “plagues”, a transliteration from the Greek. In Revelation 15:1, the bowls are called “the last seven plagues”, indicating that they are part of a larger group of plagues, of which the trumpets are also part. The bowls are called the wrath of God in Revelation 16:1. In Revelation 15:1, we are told that the wrath of God is completed in the bowls, which implies His wrath is begun elsewhere. The judgment of Babylon is referred to as “plagues” in Revelation 18:4 and 8, and verse 8 specifies this comes from the Lord. So the trumpets, bowls, and the judgment of Babylon are all part of the same group of plagues, and are called God’s wrath. The trumpets and bowls are the wrath of God. The trumpets begin well before the middle of the 70th week, and well before the time that the pre-wrath view teaches that the church is raptured. The church will not experience God’s wrath, and will not wait until sometime in the middle of the 70th week to be removed from the earth. Rejoice, and lift up your head, for your redemption draws near! |
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1039 | a simple outline | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150137 | ||
Some observations on the material presented by www.revelationcommentary.com: This web site is presented by the same people as Sola Group It did not take me long to notice numerous errors as I read this material. Please be advised to compare anything you read with scripture. Always study scripture for yourself, turning to commentators only to supplament your own individual study. Them “””Revelation 1:19 "Write therefore (1) the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall take place after these things. 1. A possible key to understanding the composition of the book of Revelation. The things...have seen - Christ the revelator in chapter one. The things...are - seven churches in chapter two and three. The things...shall take place...- in chapters 4-22 However, this outline is overly simplistic and has very little exegetical support. This is particularly the case when one realizes that there is no time difference between the vision of Christ in chapter one of the Revelation and the events of chapters two and three. 2. One must be careful at this point not to push the significance of this outline too far. The significance of the relationship of the church to Revelation 4-22 cannot be determined simply by recognizing the absence of the term church from these critical chapters. The absence of the term church from the Old Testament certainly does not mean that there is no applicable value for the church in the Old Testament.””” Me The outline is so simple anyone can follow it. The words are few and clear and plainly understood, and are reinforced later in the book, in 4:1, and in 7:1. The claim that this statement has “very little exegetical support” is without foundation. The outline is the guideline for understanding this book. Ignore it to your own detriment. The Church is not mentioned in the Old Testament because the Church did not exist in the Old Testament. The Old Testament time is the time of Israel. The Church is not mentioned in the scriptures of the 70th week because the Church is not on the earth after the beginning of the 70th week. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
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1040 | Jezebel and Thyatira | Rev 2:20 | mark d seyler | 150135 | ||
Some observations on the material presented by www.revelationcommentary.com: This web site is presented by the same people as Sola Group It did not take me long to notice numerous errors as I read this material. Please be advised to compare anything you read with scripture. Always study scripture for yourself, turning to commentators only to supplament your own individual study. Them “””3c. Great tribulation - is used again in Revelation 7:14 with the definite article. Matthew 24:21 records the Lord’s prediction of a future time of "great tribulation." In Matthew 24, the Lord indicates that He will return after a "great tribulation." Revelation 2:22 indicates that unfaithful bond-servants will be cast into a "great tribulation." Revelation 7:14 posits that an incalculable host suddenly appears in heaven who come out from the midst of "the great tribulation." That members of the church at Thyatira will be cast into "a great tribulation" demands the presence of the church of Thyatira on earth during "a great tribulation." This effectively places this punishment outside the eschatological "great tribulation" connected with Daniel’s Seventieth Week. However, the fact that unfaithful members of the church at Thyatira could suffer "a great tribulation" certainly leaves room for the church to suffer "the great tribulation."””” Me This states that members of the Thyatira church will be cast into “great tribulation”, but that is not what the Bible says. This is the actual quote: Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. The church at Thyatira allows Jezebel to teach and seduce Jesus’ servants to commit fornication. Jezebel did not repent. Jezebel, and those that commit adultery with her (not the ones committing fornication – Jesus’ servants) will be cast into great tribulation. Nothing in this text says that the Thyatira church will be cast into great tribulation. The church will not suffer the Great Tribulation. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. This is just scratching the surface of “revelationcommentary.com.” The more I looked, the more misrepresentations, mishandling of scripture, and incorrect teaching I found. I apologize for taking up so much space. Something in me just burns in my heart when I see scripture not being taught correctly. |
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