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441 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171111 | ||
Dear Doc: Thank you for you reply. I think I need to make it clear I am not coming form a "situation Ethics" position. Perhaps we all are using our past exposure to abuse and suffering as a basis for our understanding of Scripture. I am not from a "Liberation Theology" perspective. However I do believe That Christ liberates us. I have spent time in the high altitude of Bolivia, in the city of La Paz. While there I saw the exploitation of women, that was the worst you can imagine. There too where older men who said they were Christians who used Scripture to justify their ac treatment of their brides. I will use discretion and hope you trust what I saw was heinous. Jesus did more for the elevation of women than we can gleam just from the casual reading of Scripture, which I believe you understand. In general, today in most of the world women have gained so little when compaired to the time of Christ. Specifically Africa, and in many Asian countries. I would also add in many isolated places in the US. Women are still treated as a merchandise, and sold as commodities into slavery. When we as Christian men devalue a woman and permit a man to seduce a woman into bondage, this I know is not compatable with Jesus teachings. Perhaps we too have become side tracked by if this is or is not a marriage. It comes to me that we only have te word of a concerned friend who asked for help. In reality the first answer needs to be a question, are these born again people? I know we have divorced persons in this forum. I surely do not want to make them feel more pain by suggestion that some sins can not be forgiven. The end results is still the same, and God forgives all sins the same way. I know of no one who does not bare the scars of sin. Does it not get down to that only God can offer any hope in this or any other marriage problem? Hardness of heart is sin. Much can be said to justify her feelings. I am know God is able heal this, but only when both are willing to seek His will for their lives. The reality is very few seek His will, and they will have a verl long road ahead that will be hurtful for a very long time. Our response needs to show our Christian love above all else. If she deceides to make the choice to stay, or to leave, her direction will be one that she can makes. Instead of debating how we understand Scripture, let us agree to pray for her and him. That's all we can do from this point on. Justme |
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442 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171103 | ||
Emmaus: I know you have known me for a good length of time. I simply can not believe that this issue has gotten so picked apart that there is no sign og Mercy, Grace and or forgiveness. Your post is a real breath of fresh air. Where do some people who have been in the forum feel it's their responsibility to suggest I get out? I am attempting to show kindness and yet have passion for the bondage this woman has been tricked into. By saying this is a marriage, then by what measure do we say something is not a marriage. Your input is appreciated. Blessings. Justme |
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443 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171102 | ||
Jeff: it seems to me it might be interesting to know what you believe is a Biblical statement of what a marriage is. Are you able to help me understand where you are coming from. Justme |
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444 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171101 | ||
Dco: How did thewoman sin? Would the staying with a man who has so misrepresented himself, and put her in to the position of bondage be better than leaving that which is not a marriage? Perhaps what is needed is a clear understanding of what marriage is. Marriage is a covenant and inorder to be a binding vow there must be ttruth in what is being vowed. This was a vow made with untruthfulness at the core. The Covenant was void before it was even agreed to by this woman. Thus there was no intend on his part to be a husband in all respects. The woman is not being rewarded, she is being free from evil. This man has entered into something that what he wanted was a woman to be at his call. That is called bondage. How do you define marriage if you believe this is a marriage? I am very serious, not trying to get your goat. Blessings. Justme |
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445 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171099 | ||
Shelly: You bring a point into the mix that makes the situation even more sad. If he was a Christian and so tricked, lied, and attempted to so deceive her, that is so much worse. That is unthinkable to make a trusting loving woman into bondage, when she thought she was enetring into a loving amrriage. Paul said husbands are to love their wife as Christ loves the Church. This goes against everything Christ said Christians are to be. Thank you for your note. Justme |
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446 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171097 | ||
Jeff: Tell me where do you see youself in all this? How do your responses dislpay an attituse of reconcillation, mercy, grace, and Christian Love. This is a test of your Christian dignity as well is it not. I fear temper being brought to the serface, and might I ask on what Biblical example you are asking me to go "home"? If we were going by who has so blunt as to say either believe as me or leave, then there only one so far as to make such a suggestion. I personally believe ther is room for any and all who will speak the truth in love. Often the Father shows us His love by dicipline, and Hebrews says it is not pleasent. If I have got you or anyone else to look at the way questions are answered I gladly take the words that wound. Again I see no Scripture to back a single word you speak. Again I suggest you pray before you put a finger on the key board. Stop and rethink your responsees, is this how I am attempting to bring whatever kind of person (you might think I am) who is attempting to convay a serious message. I assure this is not childs play, I never play at such serious issues. Read over some of my nearly 1700 posts, then draw a better conclusions. Blessings. Justme |
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447 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171076 | ||
Jeff: You are young enough to offer your response with some kind od respect, and I see no Scripture used by you either. That does not mean what you say is not Biblical. Frankly Jeff, I am pleased to be asked to respond to you, that's good to challenge me. Please read my response to Humbledbyhisgrace. Then Respond back. I will be most pleased to engage in a respect, kind, open dialogue. Blessings. Justme |
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448 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171075 | ||
Doc: How can one say this is aBiblical marriage when it was trickery and a fraud by him? This is bondage pure and simple. I love ya brother but this we do not agree on. Peace. Justme |
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449 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171074 | ||
Humbledbyhisgrace: Thank you for responding to my post. I can see,I assumed that more Christians where familar with the topic of divorce and marriage, and therefore I made the assumption the Scripture I used, though not quoted would be understood. 1 Cor.7:1-5 and noteworthy is verse 5. There Paul says not to deprive one another except by agreement. The reason is so Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. In this situation by not informing his bride to be, of his physical, or emotional, and or mental handicap of not being hetrosexual, is fraud. Had she been given all his limitations, then she could have made a choice in the matter. To mislead her in the belief that he was capable to fulfill his duty to his wife is unbiblical, and not to mention illegal. Jesus did say we were to honest and truthful and a husband it to cleve to his wife, did He not? How can one cleve and become one flesh with such deceitfulness? (Matt. 19:5) Can anyone say that this is a Biblical union? If someone keeps secret something that is of such great signifance that means there can be no fruit of their union, (children) is that something that the future wife has the Biblical right to know that truth? The fact that not all of us have the gift of self-control, (I Cor. 7:9) and Paul says it's better to marry than burn. This woman did not have a voice in this very intimate decision that would affect her as a woman in every way. This was not his privledge to make over or for her. I am not condemning those who would weigh Scripture in light of Matt 7:1-6. To condemn a woman who was tricked into marriage, and tell her she has no right to end this which is not a marriage Biblicaly. Also note Deut. 22:13-17 is the Old Testament way of false charges against the bride. There is the Biblical right of a husband and wife to have sexually expectations and fulfillment, of desire and the want of children. The real issue is the woman is resentful because she was deceived, as I read this. If she were willing to stay in this sexless situation and felt there was genuine love between them, that would be an all together a different thing. Many couples have made such adjustments in their marriage because of accidents, illness, and the like. They willing agreed to love each other no matter what life brought into their marriage. This is a willing commitment to each other, and is love in the deepest way. This ceremony they had and vowed to each other, was given by him knowing he was not going to own up to his vows. Sher on the other hand vowed to him sthe same with an honest heart, she was lied to. The Vows were never consumated, therefor there was no marriage in the Biblical meaning or legal meaning either. this as anything but bondage if someone says she must stay in this simulated false union. Scriptual understanding. Dialogue is to be open to hear what the other person says. To rebuke me in the mannor you have is remarkable. I do not see any Scriptual backing either, but I do understand the basis for your concern. Now let me address why I feel so discouraged with some who answer notes in what I consider a rude mannor. There is more history to the forum than just the 10 months you ahve been involved, and by no means do I mean you are less or more than anyone else. Too many times when a subject cones up that is a littel to close to make someone feel like the person is liberal. they have been refered to the Search box. Often it is said something like, this has been discussed before, or to often. This is a lazy way to dump someone who might not agree with us. For several years I have just held back my positions, as not to cause a landslide against my view of some Scripture. I have been respectful, kind, and even very relaxed and heard the others person say their view that was in a way attacking what I felt needed to be dialogued about. This womans plight was so over stressed and so many responded I could not believe it. Yet a good question about Biblical understanding is often answered by one person, and then at times refered to the "search Box" This is not right, fair or honest to those who might think as we or I do. Consider of the woman caught in adultery were brought tothis forum She just might be stoned to death. personally I no longer pick up stones. I would offer a kindness and show the Love Jesus said we are to have. Steve, you are a young growing Christian, perhaps a word of prayer before you respond to me might have served you better. Blessings. Justme |
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450 | Woman Minister vs Biblical Truth | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 170941 | ||
Searcher56: I had hoped to get some responce after my note. Perhaps I tred harder than I thought. I respect your right to ignore an old man in his far out ways. Justme |
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451 | Woman Minister vs Biblical Truth | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 170760 | ||
Searcher56: May I kindly offer a suggestion? Why not welcome this visitor, and then suggest the Search window. Many do not know how or what this forum is or how it works. I personally do support women in ministry, and their ordianation. I know this is not the prevlent conserative view of most in the forum. However no matter what ones view, more kindness and a welcome would seem in order. If we only have a forum that agrees on everything then it leaves not much to dialogue about. I am very cautious not to tangle with some who have a very stringent unwillingness to dialogue with issues that we are not in agreement with. This limits some from even wanting to enter except on limited basis. In my opinion there is room for "in house dialogue" that may take the dialogue to agree to disagree. However, if I learn what someone else believes, I am better equiped to undersatn how to defend or agree with someone else with the same view point. I respect you, and offer this in the hope of offering something for you to consider. Blessings. Justme |
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452 | Was Jesus ever separated from God? | Ps 139:1 | justme | 170561 | ||
All WRITERS SHOULD HAVE A PROFILE, Bereaniam: Since you have been active since mid January and made quite a few entries, would you please take the time to write your profile. That way we all get to know more about the writer and it also adds depth and quality to all the conversations. View some of the other profiles to get an idea of what to write. It need not be real personal. |
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453 | The new "BOOK OF JUDAS"? | Bible general Archive 3 | justme | 170339 | ||
Mark: Not knowing what this new "gospel" really says, I wonder if this might have ben a letter by the other Judas that was a step brother t6o Jesus. I pretty much doubt it because the focus seems to be onthe one who betrayed Jesus. This is a wonderful way to open a door to have a one on one study with family, and friends or workers. The evil one is always coming up with more to stir the doubts of skeptics. The evil one just does not get he is doomed! Praise The Father, Son and Holy Spirit! Justme |
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454 | Is masturbation a sin ?scripture confirm | 1 Corinthians | justme | 170182 | ||
JeffBradt: It would be helpful when responding to a note to look at the date it was posted, which in your case was Oct. 15, 2005. The person has perhaps changed their e-mail site, or who knows what. I try to avoid these kind of questions, as they can be just kids joking and making fun. Even this is 2006 there is still a stigma when giving opinions that may or may not be what you consider sould solid advice. Better to say nothing then to prove we are nuts by what we say. Justme |
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455 | Church staff's salary questionable | 1 Tim 3:7 | justme | 169903 | ||
Bereanian: Anyone can formaly ask in written form. If a tax exempt organization refuses that is angainst the law. The IRS can give the exact law if you so wish. It makes no difference what kind of religion they happen to be, they must comply. Justme |
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456 | Church staff's salary questionable | 1 Tim 3:7 | justme | 169832 | ||
rockfordhx: Welcome to the Forum! After reading your note I can see you are a man of unique faith. I respect your view, but don't agree. However this is not a issue to debate, it is an inhouse disagreement. I was a Bivocational pastor in three Churches, and fulltime pastor at one. I think a bivocational pastor can better have less concern about being terminated, because his family will still be taken care of. Many full time pastors are subject to over pleasing those who give mostto protect their income. Blessings. Justme |
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457 | Church staff's salary questionable | 1 Tim 3:7 | justme | 169831 | ||
rockfordhx: Welcome to the Forum! After reading your note I can see you are a man of unique faith. I respect your view, but don't agree. However this is not a issue to debate, it is an inhouse disagreement. I was a Bivocational pastor in three Churches, and fulltime pastor at one. I think a bivocational pastor can better have less concern about being terminated, because his family will still be taken care of. Many full time pastors are subject to over pleasing those who give mostto protect their income. Blessings. Justme |
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458 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | justme | 169710 | ||
Mark: For me the most difficult book is Job. There are many who say Job never really existed. I heard many times liberal Christians hammer this. I took the position that I take literal what is clearly intended to be so. There are many places in Revelation that simply are very uncertian to me, and I would not attempt to challenge someone. I have an opinion, but that's just my opinion, and there are so many who say that all of it is literal, and theres where we can surely have much differences as believers. Blessings Mark, and thanks for replying. Justme |
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459 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | justme | 169649 | ||
Mark: I have read a few of the notes in this thread, and thought I might just pop in and say a few words. For me, if the Scripture is not as it says, thenhow do we know what parts to believe. This kind of scriptural critisim is taught in many seminaries. I chose to disagree with it's use. The Rev. Dr. Jimmy Draper, has said in his book THE AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE "When a person begins to doubt the authority of Scripture or to put it in another way, when he substitutes human reason for devine revelation, this inevitably cuts the very nerve of evangelism and missions in the Biblical sence" This so impressed me that I put it in my Bible when I first started my BA in Bible at Grand Canyon University. I have stood by this, and made it one of my underpinings for my Theology. Blessings. Justme |
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460 | Church membership scriptural? | Heb 10:25 | justme | 169300 | ||
Messiahh'schild: I have read the notes to your question, and thought I would add food for thought. I attend Clavary Cahpel that does not have membership. Pryor to five years ago I was a baptist, which always have membership. Having been part of both I believe I can be fair as to my opinion. Even though Calvary Cahpel says they are not a denomination, they are one hair width from it. I do not like non-membership. I personally like a congreation form of governing, with Elders and Decons being voted by the congreation, and budgets voted on. Having said that, I respect the sincere desire of my churches Pastor and Elders to lead the church in the direction they are sure the Lord is leading. I have for the most have not found too much to not agree with. I feel the members have the right to see the budget and have greater input into these matters. Having been a pastor, I think non-membership makes it hard to know who really is a devoted Christian and loyal to the body of believers that they worship with. There is most certianly no reason why God can't work in either situation, and He does. I believe if the Lord is calling and there is a ministry that one feels they should do, then do whatever the Lord leads you to do. Blessings. Justme |
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