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281 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30258 | ||
Jesusman, Correct, God is powerful enough how about you, me people? are we powerful enough? That is why we have to be watchful as Desciples Peter said. If you recall myfriend Adam and Eve is a direct creation of God but then fall, Cain and Abel they only two of them at the time but Cain Kill Abel. You have to be watchful my friend dont underestimate the power of our common enemy which is devil. That is why for me I am always pray, God I believed and help my unbelieve. God bless, Johnny |
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282 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30259 | ||
Jesusman, Correct, God is powerful enough how about you, me people? are we powerful enough? That is why we have to be watchful as Desciples Peter said. If you recall myfriend Adam and Eve is a direct creation of God but then fall, Cain and Abel they only two of them at the time but Cain Kill Abel. You have to be watchful my friend dont underestimate the power of our common enemy which is devil. That is why for me I am always pray, God I believed and help my unbelieve. God bless, Johnny |
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283 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30263 | ||
Jesusman, Some other point. I will address same question to you. Are saying that God is not powerful enough when Adam and Eve fall into the temtation of satan? Or are going to say that when God created them they are not recognized as save. They are just until falling in the temtation. Or you will say the are created to commit sin. Is that the plan of God creating man to sin against him? They are creation of Almighty God, direct creation, why did they fall? Are you saying also that God is not powerful that is why Adam and Eve Fall. God is powerful but human is weak. God bless, Johnny |
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284 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30282 | ||
I am surprise when you mention that moses taught about heaven. I was thinking that you read what i dont read that is why I am asking if you cant put verses to prove it. No other things I am asking for just when you mention that moses has a teaching about heaven. Johnny |
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285 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30283 | ||
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286 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30284 | ||
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287 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30387 | ||
Did you mean that even Adam and Eve not fall to temtation of Satan they considered go to hell? What do you mean of they are not save? I said they are consider save if they are not fall to satan temptation. They were going to stay there forever and ever in paradise. It was the plan of God to them. If they did not fall what sin they did anyway? Did you main also that they are not created as perfect? Did you mean God created such things that not perfect? What kind of God is that? God bless, Johnny |
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288 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30418 | ||
Norrie, You got a very good point in your post. I am afraid of others that misused the term "save always save" you are correct "save is always save" if you stay with Jesus Christ starting when you received Him until the end of your life. There are some people that I think misused the term of save always save. It seems that when you baptize in the Name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Ghost thats it you are save forever. It seems that you dont have to worries all of this temptations and other chances of falling. In my own understanding of what is written you will ba save if you stay with him forever: Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. So we only save if we stay with Him until the end. So I think it wrong the belief that after baptism even you can kill people you still save because "save is always save". You are right when you said how can anyone sure that they are save? God bless, Johnny |
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289 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30446 | ||
Jesusman, We have to know who are those belongs to save people, and who was justify us so we can consider save. I know that you know that to be consider save it is not enough to be baptize of the partors and ministers going around. How we consider saves. Who are those saves that mentioned by Jesus Christ in the book of John. Who are those saves that no one can snatch from the hand of the Father and the hand of Jesus Christ? Those who are who stay with Him until the end of thier lives. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. If you will see in this scriptures after you know Jesus Christ and received him, you have to stay with Him until the end to be considered save. These are those saves that mention by Him that no one can snatch in His hand no one take out His flock. Belongs to these flocks are those who stay with Him forever of thier lives. That is why that I dont believed that after pastors baptize you then you back to your old life steal properties rape ladies or kill other people and stay save. How can we stay with him if we go back to our old life? We have to stay with Him to be considered save, and how we will do it?: Php 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. According to apostle paul we have to work it out. Staying with Him meaning is to work it out. Stay with Him until our last breath, not in the matter of time, month year, or two years but to stay in Him until the end. So How could you justify your self as save if still live and not staying with Jesus Forever. God bless, Johnny |
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290 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30459 | ||
Dear Desciple, What do you prefer when we said "SAVE"? are those who baptized by the pastors of ministers around us. Please explain. I do believed in this verses that always quoted of those who said that "once save is always save": Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. But who will justify you if you are save or not? Your pastors you self? How can you make sure that you are save or not? The answers is you have to stay with Jesus until the end of your time: Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. The save mentioned of our Lord Jesus Christ in verses of the book of John are those who beleived in Jesus Christ and stay with Him until thier last breath. Those are people that consider save. And here we saying that save is always save? In order to be consider save is to stay with Jesus until the end, according to the verses of the book of Matthew. Maybe other people misused the term "save is always save" meaning they maybe understnd that after you recieved Christ and then after baptizing you ,and that's it. Even if sometimes you going back to your old life i.e. stealing from properties of others, killing people in some reasons you still save because "once save is always save". But Jesus Christ mentioned, Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. So it is clear that you only considered save if you stay with Him until the end. Amen. How we can sustain, and make sure that we can stay with Him forever, in response as a Christian we have to do our part, apostle paul said we have to work it out: Php 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. So, who will can say that he is save if he is not stay with Jesus until the end of time? You? Me? it is our hope that we can stay with Him until the end. God bless, Johnny |
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291 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30463 | ||
Dear Jesusman, I know that what you are telling about. It is by faith and grace, but faith without fruit is a dead faith. I think you dont understand my point, I write a note of who those considered save, you write different things. You completely ignore the scriptures that I quoted. It seems that you are not convince that those who will saves are those who stay in Christ until the end? It is His word my friend not mine. I know we cannott achieved salvation by result of works but a Christian we must have a good results. Do you agree? If we as a Christian we dont need a good works what we are going to do Bad? When Paul do his evangelical works is that Good or Bad? as a Christian we must have a good result not to boast but fullfilling what Christ commanded; Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Teaching them all whatsoever I commanded you. When you taught people to follow the commandments of Jesus is it Good or Bad? Your statement with strong shouting "YOU DON'T WORK FOR YOUR SALVATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what apostle paul said, of course not in shouting but with fear and trembling. Php 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Who do you suggest I am going to believed you or Apostle paul? God bless, Johnny |
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292 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | jlpangilinan | 30559 | ||
Jesusman, Did I say that good works will save us? What I said is as a Christian we must have good results, like what is done of the desciples are they do good or bad? They evangelize the world, is good or bad? if you are really a Christian you must have a good fruit. But I never said that it will saves you. But as a Christian it should be your output! I know that works will not save us but again as a Christian it should be your output, to do good. Do you think you can be recognized as Christian if you steal, rape, kill your neighbor? If we really not need to do good, why your pastor preach why they teach? is that good or bad? it is the output of a true Christian. If somebody will ask you for food, and you know if dont give them anything they will die, and you gave them, is that good or bad? I know it will not save you, but as a Christian it should be your output, to do good. You mention, that works are the natural course of Action for the saved. So why you are not like Paul or John? Do you think what paul done is only a course of action? How many people done like what Paul done? Do you think you can do what Paul done if it really "course of Action" it seems that you underestimate what Paul done my friend? Do you mean all of the Desciples done what they done as a "course of action" or they done it by truly following Christ examples? What I mean of what Paul saying is to work it out, be watchful, prayerful what Jesus said and done He is very prayerful to keep us stay in Him forever. Is being prayerful good or bad? If you are a Christian you must be prayerful or not? Prayer will help us stay with Him until the end. "Do not bring us to the test, and deliver us from evil Amen" For me you are consider saves if you stay with Him forever, not a matter of months or years but until the end. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. God bless |
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293 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 55720 | ||
Can you please show me that giving of ten percent of our income is teaching of Christ. Can you please show me any teaching in the new testament that will require us to give ten percent of our income. Can you please show me that Christ required His apotles to give ten percent to Him. Can you please show me any of the disciples require thier church members to give ten percent to them. You said "Many debates over the tithe being for the New Testament Christian. One thing if very clear... the tithe is the Lord's. The tithe is Holy. What would keep one from not tithing other that fear of doing without, greed, unbelief? Faith is what pleases God. You are right tithe is including in the law of moses they are the same holy but after Christ crusified the law of moses cannot justify us. Including in that very law is the tithe. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Tithe is inlcuding in the law, it cannot justify us. Or you can prove to me that tithe is not including in the law. You quoted this verse: Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If you observe the tithe and not other matters of the law, you are not consistent as Christ said Hypocrite. If you observe the tithe you must observe other part of the law as Christ said in this verse. My question to you, do you observe other law of moses such not eating the pork, stone to death your brother or sisters if you saw them gathering stick in the day of sabbath? What is it in the tithe that you cannot reject? We reject other law of moses but tithe is not? when Paul stated that law of moses cannot justify us did he exclude the tithes? The teaching about giving in the new testament goes: 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. No required amount, not ten percent but what is porpuses of the heart. I will challenge you in these two verses Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Did tithe excluded when they stated this verses? Please show me the passages in the scriptures. |
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294 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 55725 | ||
No one required Abraham to give the tithe, he give it in purposes of his heart. It is different when the law requires the israel to give thier tithe to the levites. If you give it in the purposes of the heart what wrong with that. But if you required anyone to give ten percent this is not teaching of Christ. If you want to give all of your salaries it is acceptable to God but no required amount not ten percent but what is purposes of your heart. Where did abraham get the part of his tithe anyway? Ge 14:15 And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus. Ge 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Abraham slaughter kings and got thier goods and give the tithe of all. Do yuou think Christ will love you if slaughter Kings and take thier goods and give the tithes of all? Do you think Christ will allow you to killed someone and get thier goods and give tithe to Christ? I dont think so. My challenge is the same show me that giving the ten percent is teaching of Christ and His apostle. God bless, Johnny |
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295 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 55822 | ||
It is not my mind set on not giving the tithe, I am asking if giving of ten percent is teaching of Christ if Yes show me the scriptures, if no why you have to required anyone to give tithes and teach them that it is a requirements. If you believed that tithe is ordained by God until now show me the scriptures that Jesus taught it in the new testament. How could you encourage everyone if you cannot depend what you believed in. If you still believed that it can justify you, and what is the purposes of these verse anyway?: Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. As I told you, if you can prove me that paul excluded tithe when he stated this verse. Now if the tithe is included in this verse, how can you prove me that tithe is a requirement until now. For your information receiving the tithe is not you authority or any pastors of our time it was given to levites: Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Are you Jew? it is not surprising that many people try to pretend that son of levi by requiring thier people to give tithes which is the authority of receiving them was given to the levites. It is not given to you, nor to the pastors today, it is very clear that the authority was given to the levites. Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. Heb 7:11 ¶ If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. "a change also of the law" but you dont want to change the tithe which is included in the law is clear disobedience to the teaching of the apotle! Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Now if you can prove to me that tithe is the teaching of Christ, show me my friend prove to me and to the members of this forum. God bless, Johnny |
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296 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 55939 | ||
Inmyheart, I dont know what you are trying to do here. You just ignore all the verses that I quoted and not disprove it. How can our discussion goes amothly if you dont try to disprove my point, I did answrs your questions. You, you did not try to disprove or prove to me that I misused the scriptures. Let remind you to the pints that I raise and you ignore, please try to answers my questions before putting yours, with all due respect when you asked me about abraham and how he tithe I answers those question to you. Now here is my points that I want you to answers. And please answers them with the passages in the new testament. I hope you know when I said teaching of Christ it is in the new testament. 1. Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. I will answers your question here. You quoted mal. 3:8-12 Please start it in 3:6 Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Mal 3:7 ¶ Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Are you a son of Jacob? are you a jew? if you are a jew and bound by the law of moses this verse is for you because they bound by law. You said"Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it." You are right! but in what way? by giving tithes? by not eating the pork NO! He observe it with a deep meaning. Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. He gave commandment to us, what is it in the law when you fulfill this two. If you think that Christ fulfil it by giving tithes and observe the sabbath you are terrible wrong. Mt 12:1 ¶ At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. Lu 14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? He done work on sabbath, it was punishable by death under the law. Did he break the law? I hope you answers my question before ansking yours. God bless, Johnny |
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297 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56223 | ||
See you cannot disporove my points I have many questions to ask then it seems that you cannot answers it. Next time when you engage in a didcussion make sure that you know how to answers questions before asking yours. Please disprove fisrt the qouoted verses of the other side before asking your questions. You give answers to my question "why would Jesus Christ have to teach the tithe what God already establish" but you forget to disprove that tithe is not including in the law of moses. Paul said it cannot justify us. You must prove that tithe is not including in the law of moses and other points that I raise. It show of your lack of idea how the discussion goes, you should disprove my point before asking your point. Until this time you did not disprove even one of points. You said"Answer to your question 1, why would Jesus have to teach (tithe) what God has already establish!" My answer: Your answer and questions again show that you are not aware of what you had answer to me. you did not make study to your question before asking it. If your reasoning that if God establish it, then Jesus need not to teach it, who establish the law? It is God. God establish the law through moses as a representative of the law: Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. God established the law why it has to change? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. God establish the first covenant, why it has fault? Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. God established this law in the old testament... De 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. and Jesus taught it again in the new testament! Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. So if your logic is when God established Jesus need not to teach and "tithe is established by God, Jesus need not to teach it! wrong, wrong, wrong!. God bless, Johnny Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. |
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298 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56304 | ||
I did answer that to you Law is for God as well, I exaplain to that the law included in the tithe and you have to prove to me that tithe is not including in the law! God established the law trough moses but it has to change! Again you ignore my last post and my answer to your question. You keep jumping in what comment do you like. You said"Some (like yourself) may contend, however, that the law was abrogated under the Gospel. If so, how much of the law, and in what sense? Is the law so abrogated as that we may now, at our pleasure, murder, lie, and steal?" What kind of question is this? As I told you before Jesus Christ gave us the two commandments: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. On that two commandments hang all the law of the prophets. What is it in the law that you disobey when you observe that tow law that given by Jesus Christ? Are you going to murder if love you neighbour? Are you going to steal from them if you love them? Do you think, before asking this question? You said"Have we not already seen that Christ came to fulfill the law--to confirm it to the least iota? Matthew 5:17-18," My answer: I did explain this to you before that He fulfill the law with a deeply and different meaning. I ask you if He disobey the when He done work on sabbath, but you ignore it to answer. You said" tithes and offerings applicable to the support of the ministry, and to other religious and charitable works, is clearly the duty of Christians, unless it can be shown that Christ repealed God's law previously promulgated. offering yes! but tithe is not! can you show in the new testament that Christ taught that we have tithe to support His ministry? I know you again ignore this. If you are telling the truth that to support the ministry we have to tithe prove me that Paul require anyone to give tithe in his evangelical journey? show me in the scriptures that they collected tithe enable to support his evangelical works? I know again you will not answer this, but I try. My friends don’t rely own your words that support your statement with the scriptures. If you are telling the truth that enable to support the ministry we give tithe please show me any of the disciples that collecting tithes enable to support their mission? If you can show those verses and event, that will close this discussion, but if cannot show me those verses and events, it is true that you rely in your heresay. Please be reminded that you still not disprove my points! You did not put any verses that will show that Christ teach the tithe! Let remind you to the pints that I raise and you ignore, please try to answers my questions before putting yours, with all due respect when you asked me about abraham and how he tithe I answers those question to you. Now here is my points that I want you to answers. And please answers them with the passages in the new testament. I hope you know when I said teaching of Christ it is in the new testament. 1. Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. If you cannot show them please dont bother anymore! With all due respect you dont know how to deal with discussion, learn it first before you engage! God bless. Johnny |
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299 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56322 | ||
Yes I got it that you dont know how to handle discussion. You dont know how to disprove even one of my point raise. You even dont try to show me the verses that will disprove my point. It is you cannot answer my question, and rely in your heresay! You didn't want to create thread on the subject of tithe because you dont know how to depend what you believe in! You still have the chance to answer my questions if you want. please show me the verses that will disporove my points otherwise you will accepted that you dont know how to deal with discussion at the same time cannot disprove any quetion that I raise to you. If you notice I am active to answer your question verse by verse, it is you that jump if I did answer your questions you leave it and put your nonsense reasoning without bases: Here are the points that I want you to answers: . Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. Please to disprove them and answer them if you are really telling the truth and not rely in you nonsense heresay. You cannot tell me that I am discussing with you with my heresay to. I put verses to support it. Prove to me that you know how to depend what you believed! Please answer me if have the answer to those question I raise. I want an answer to those not a nonsense kind of answers! God bless, Johnny God bless! |
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300 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56526 | ||
I did not expect you to believed what I belived what I want you to do is to depend what you believed in. If you believed that people belongs to the new testament required to tithe then you have to prove it. You can prove them by disprove my points I raised. You sais"Just because you picked up some book somewhere and you believe that you don't have to tithe, well you go ahead and believe your doctrine." How dare you saying this, the verses I quoted is verses in the bible and not from books somewhere else! For your information this is a bible forum! Your statement is a strong attack to the scriptures! If you cannot disprove the verses that I quoted dont say that it came from somewhere else, those are came from the bible, and you attacked them. "You said"For the last time, you stated that tithing is of the law, my statement to you was that Abraham was before the law, and he tithe, period." I am sorry, but i have to answer it again. I answer this before but you ignore it because you know you cannot disprove my answer! Ge 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. 17. Easton Torrey Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 18. Easton Torrey Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. No one required abraham to tithe but he gave because he want to no require amount, it apply offering. I did asked this to you before, where did abraham got the goods? He slaughter kings, Please answer this, do you think Christ will allow anyone of us if we kill somebody and took thier goods and gave tithes to God? I asked this question before! it is you who dont know to answer! God bless, Johnny |
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