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761 | in Prisons | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlhetrick | 191735 | ||
Rabban- Regarding your statement: "These ‘spirits in prison’ were the angels who sinned in the time of Noah (Genesis 6.1-2)" Would you please provide biblical support. I find nothing in Scripture that suggests that these "spirits" were angels. I'm not aware of any biblical reference showing that the gospel is preached to angels but understand it only as a truth relevant only to the salvation of humans. The context seems to rule out angels as the following verse (1Peter 3:20) clearly relates to the loss of all "human" life with the exception of the eight. Verse 18 is clearly talking about mankind as is verse 20. I couldn't figure a way to misunderstand verse 19 as referring to something else, angels. As I understand it, Scripture does not teach the possibility of fallen angels being saved from their fallen state. If that were the case, we would pray for fallen angels to include Satan himself. If that were the case, the Scripture would teach of salvation being accomplished for and offered too angels as well as mankind. In verse 19 Christ is making a "proclamation" to the "spirits". A proclamation of what? Salvation is the context. There is no Scriptural support that I am aware of that supports that He offers salvation to angels. I am always willing to have my understanding corrected by Scripture. God bless, Jeff |
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762 | in Prisons | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlhetrick | 191747 | ||
Rabban- perhaps I offended you, not my intention. It may have been a simpler thing for you to have just provided scriptural support for your position, if that were possible. The question was not what you were answering in your response, but simply a request for you to provide biblical support for your declaration concerning verse 19. It's the way we go about bible study on the forum. But to avoid being distracted from the point again I will copy and paste your statement that left me with concern. You wrote: "These ‘spirits in prison’ were the angels who sinned in the time of Noah (Genesis 6.1-2). Human beings are never spoken of in this way (as 'spirits' without qualification), while 2 Peter 2.4 confirms Peter’s interest in the angels who sinned in the time of Noah." So that I don’t take up forum space and my time (or yours) repeating my earlier post you may choose to reread it and address it as you determine appropriate. Something else I would ask is that you help me in understanding what you mean by 2Peter 2:4 “confirming Peter’s interest in the angels who sinned in the time of Noah. 2 Peter 2:4 (ASV) For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; This seems to clearly relate to the “Fall” and not to any angel sinning that might have been going on in Noah’s day. Do I have it wrong? Let’s widen it out a bit: 2 Pe 2:4-6 4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; 5and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;” When we evaluate this it becomes clear that the writer is describing separate events. First, what we commonly refer to as “the Fall”, then the “Flood”, and then the events of Sodom and Gomorrah’s destruction. Without context we might be tempted to make the individual verses say whatever conveniences our premise. Might I say that it matters little how qualified our Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or even English scholarship might be measured if this is to be our approach. Your explanation might be a satisfactory one if we could first establish that it is in fact angels that are referred too. However, I would still have a hard time finding in scripture where angels have “fallen” more than one time. That one fall that I am aware of was, as I understand it, significantly before Noah’s time. I’m unaware of another. If your unwilling (or unable) to provide support for such statements I can accept that but please allow me to point out that requests to have statements clarified and biblically supported is within the forum guidelines as is the expectation that members will honor those requests. Sincerely and God bless, Jeff |
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763 | in Prisons | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlhetrick | 191749 | ||
Rabban- I have responded to your other post to me. I will respond to this one briefly but fear the interaction may become argumentative or appear that way to others so I proceed with caution. I might fairly state that when approaching a disputed passage the first important thing is to examine the English and not the Greek text as you assert. Unless, that is, your first language is Greek. We might be well reminded that the English text we read has been translated by scholars more worthy than ourselves (though my own assertion would depend on what translation your using perhaps). You see, when the established doctrines and immediate and wider contexts are considered a lot of the guess work is easily ruled out. At once I was amazed by those who seemed to take the position that one need be a scholar of the original languages in order to truly read and comprehend the Scriptures. It’s familiar to others who posit that one must hold a certain, assigned title before the Holy Spirit will reveal the hidden truths of Scripture to him. Now I’m simply saddened by the notions. My faith is that my God has sufficiently (if not conveniently) kept the promise He made in Isa 55:11. I suppose that He has chosen to do that through allowing men to translate His word into the various earthly languages. My reason for such a position is that His church has for centuries been about the business of doing just that. Otherwise, He would have us about the business of all learning Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic and reading, learning, and teaching only from the original languages. I surmise that it was He who chose not to make a scholar of every man. Your points are well considered and your right to them appreciated and respected. Sincerely and God bless, Jeff |
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764 | in Prisons | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlhetrick | 191767 | ||
Rabban- thanks for the response brother. I agree with your points to include believing that the original languages are the only inspired writings we have. I'm afraid though that you may not be reading my posts closely as the focus continues to drift. I'm sorry you feel I "failed to take note of the fact" that your statement was about ;disputed texts' only. My post clearly referred to disputed text specifically; but no matter- it has become an unproductive dialogue I would agree. Thanks for the interaction. God bless, Jeff |
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765 | in Prisons | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlhetrick | 191842 | ||
Hello Rabban, Please bear with me in my continued efforts. When you wrote that “it is a waste of time to argue over something that has been disputed for 2000 years…” you sort of hit the nail on the head. As my original post was not transparent enough let me say clearly that this was part of my concern. All public forums that I am aware of have their own written and unwritten rules, so to speak. The standard on SBF is to avoid controversial issues that have long-standing points of disagreement, especially where no definitive biblical text can rule one side in or out. When I say “avoid” I particularly mean the avoiding of posting such opinions as definite or factual. It is customary, and I believe more scholarly, to at least offer that there is a differing opinion on the issue so that others less learned have the opportunity to consider. With that said, it is obvious to me from reading your posts that you are, and apparently have for some time been, a serious student of the Bible. I respect that and see that to the advantage of the forum as well as myself personally. My point in asking you to support your argument biblically was really to illustrate that you could not. Not in order to embarrass you or create an argument, but rather to show that we have a responsibility to not declare what Scripture does not. To your points on Scripture and the “Fall” of angels I have this in short response. This, as I understand it, does not fall into that category of ‘disputed’ texts or doctrines. The long-held, orthodox view of the Fall is established from a common sense, logical, and contextual approach to Scripture. Satan is described in Scripture as the “Father of Lies” for example. The serpent in the Garden, with Adam and Eve accomplished its goal through deception. If the serpent was not Satan actually, it was the result of Satan’s work specifically; a fallen Lucifer that is. A common sense, logical approach to Scripture requires that conclusion and amounts to more than “the briefest hint”. For sake of time and space I will not attempt to correct the obvious errors such as, for example, stating “the New Testament writers never give any hint of believing in ‘a fall of angels’ outside of Revelation” while at the same time (in the same post) you very clearly give NT reference to where they have done just that very thing (2Peter 2:4 as one obvious example) In short- the rhetoric does nothing to support your position but plenty to avoid offering the biblical support requested. With that, I do agree to disengage from the discussion. God bless, Jeff |
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766 | in Prisons | 1 Pet 3:21 | jlhetrick | 191870 | ||
Rabban- Following my pattern of behavior is what I had hoped to have persuaded you to do; that is, insisting that you support your statements with scripture and that you not qualify as true what is not biblically qualified as true. In any event, you have refused to do so and there is really nothing more I can do to help you in that area. I would like to suggest though, that since we are both easily recognized as falling far short of scholarly, we both make it a point always to allow Scripture to speak for itself. And please do not speak of another’s responsibility to courtesy when it was of you yourself that had been originally and fairly requested to support your argument and you yourself who refused to do that. I should expect absolutely that you refrain from misrepresenting my words. Nowhere did I "admit" that I was "seeking to find fault". But that statement further supports that your not really interested in what I was attempting to do. It is the standard on the forum that when one reads an unqualified statement to ask for biblical reference (even when one knows there is none) in order to point the other writer to their error. Usually these efforts lead to responsible interaction that either corrects the questioner or redirects the original error. And don't think it so easy to avoid responsible participation by asking others not to question your OPINIONS. With that said I will make one more statement in hopes it will help and then promise not to respond to you again on this topic. That way, you are welcomed to have the last word; I promise to read any further response you make. My last point is this. Never be mistaken to believe that “statistics” are in any way sufficient in and of themselves to establish the meaning of a word or phrase. If you are able to apply that to any part of your response to me, you are well on your way. If you are to continue on the forum, I look forward to more productive communication with you. Please remember that it is Scripture that has and is the authority here. God bless, Jeff |
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767 | Sanctification Evidences Justification | 2 Pet 1:10 | jlhetrick | 240130 | ||
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768 | peopl should read the bible b4 they ask | 2 Pet 2:3 | jlhetrick | 180008 | ||
Hello Brad, I don't know that I would include Hinn's name in the same paragraph with Gill, Spurgeon, Whitfield or Edwards (oh! wait a minute, I just did didn't I). Great points you make here brother. The difference between Hinn and those proven teachers is that Benny makes them feel good while he's taking their money. The teachers of God's word that have gone before us and left us with wonderful teachings called sin sin without hesitation and preached Christ crucified. It's unfortunate that there are so many out there who are lead astray and into following and believing in a produced scam. On this Thanksgiving Day, let us remember that the gifts of God, while received in faith, are the direct works of His GRACE. Even that faith through which we receive is a gift of His grace and not an effort of our own believing. God bless and Happy Thanks Giving, Jeff |
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769 | Is sinless perfection possible on earth? | 1 John 1:8 | jlhetrick | 228754 | ||
Good Questions Ed. Doc - at a very early age (8 or 9 yrs old) I believed and repented and in the years adding up to my now 46 years I have always understood the difference between a forgiven sinner and a damned one. I guess someone did a fine job of explaining the Scriptures to me, even when I was a child, and the Holy Spirit obviously gave me the truth regarding my sin and the finished, saving work of Christ. I'm thankful that I don't have to be forgiven over and over again as I continue to be in this not yet glorified body. I was a young adult the first time I ever heard the notion of sinless perfection. Even though this topic was being "preached" to me by a older (in age and in the amount of time he had confessed Christ) I easily dismissed it as having no Scriptural support (to the degree and then understood and especially when considered in the context of Scripture as a whole and not single words or verses). I do admit that I was distracted by it for some time, unfortunately, and in all I studied I never could figure from Scripture what some seemed to take from it - "sinless perfection". Probably the most important FACT that I ever weighed against such a notion was the fact that we have absolutely no example in Scripture (and I have not a single one personally and know of no one who does) of a man (other than Christ) who lived sinless before or after conversion. Not one. Your points were very well made here to include the one about accessing the centuries of study by those who have gone before. It is troubling to see that this is even a topic of discussion when the Scripture is so definite. I realize that even the words of Paul (Romans chapter 7) have been removed from even their immediate context in order to support the argument for sinless perfection. I don't get it. As you know and continuously affirm, we should never ignore what doesn't fit our position and, obviously, should never add to what Scripture already says. |
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770 | What about physical attraction? | 1 John 2:16 | jlhetrick | 184362 | ||
Johp, Excellent post, advise, and representation of God's truth in this matter. Thank you for shedding honest and truthful light on this issue that probably effects more men than are honest or brave enough to admit to. Blessings, Jeff |
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771 | Biblical Love is not Worldly Love | 1 John 4:21 | jlhetrick | 160718 | ||
Hi Doc, Great quotes! I also found it interesting that you quoted Machen in another post in this thread. Interesting because I recently used that very quote in a recent lesson I taught in our discipleship training at church. Also, I enjoy reading and learning from Arthur W. Pink and have used many of his quotes before as well. Just a thought, I think your post of quotes might be very beneficial to nightjay regarding his post 160215. He might not be following and a post back to him might alert him by email. Anyway, I would be happy to copy and paste your post to nightjay with your permission as I believe it might really be helpful for him. Again, thanks for the quotes, Jeff |
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772 | Biblical Love is not Worldly Love | 1 John 4:21 | jlhetrick | 160735 | ||
Hi Doc, Thanks for the info. I put "Toward a Sure Faith" on my list of books to buy. Jeff |
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773 | Crying out loud Lord rescue me | 1 John 5:13 | jlhetrick | 200199 | ||
Blue eyes- let me start by saying that I know sister Azure to be very loving, patient and gracious and I am confident that she was not intending to sound harsh, judgmental, nor inappropriately critical. Her history of posts here on the Forum demonstrates her kindness as well as her commitment to teaching and receiving sound biblical doctrine. With that said, I would like to offer some additional comments to help clarify the point of concern here. There is a movement that you may or may not have heard of commonly referred to as the “Word of Faith” movement. It’s unbiblical, false doctrines have caused significant unrest and confusion for many Christians who innocently fall victim to their false teachings. At the core of their teaching is the unbiblical approach to faith. In short- they teach that faith is a force that can be used indiscriminately at the disposal of believers to effect change and accomplish the goal at hand. They use language similar to what you have used in your posts to include laying “claim to God’s promises”. They neglect to point out that not all promises found in Scripture are for you and me. Some, for example, were made to the Israelites while others were made to individuals such as David, Solomon, etc. Their entire philosophy is based on a lack of knowledge of God’s word and accomplished through the picking and choosing of “verses” snatched out of the context in which they should be considered. Some, perhaps yourself, innocently incorporate these teachings into their own beliefs as they are exposed here and there to the teachings. It’s not hard to be exposed as there are a lot of famous and even friendly faces touting the nonsense on radio and television. With that said, please allow me to point to God’s word for some promises that we can know are meant for you and me and other believers. Matt 10:22 (NASB) “You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. Heb 9:27 (NASB “and inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment. John 12:25 (NASB) “He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.” Paul said, “I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.” (Romans 8:18 NASB) There is nothing wrong with hoping for deliverance from hardship but we have no “promise” in Scripture guaranteeing our freedom from it. On the contrary, we are clearly told to expect it. When we do seek deliverance from a particular, it is to be our prayer that our needs be met only as their being met is in accordance with God’s will. The Word of Faith teachers will tell you that this argument is a sinful argument of unbelief. Scripture, on the other hand, tells us that He, the Holy Spirit, “intercedes for the saints ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD” (Romans 8:27- emphasis added to clarify and not intended as yelling). In other words; we have no right to isolate a verse that suits our needs, claim it in faith, and demand, or expect, our need to be met. After all, it may be God’s will that what ever burden we are suffering be ours to suffer till death. On the other hand, He may answer our prayer in short order and deliver us immediately and completely. He will not be pinned down by man’s claim to anything. In love, I hope this is helpful. Jeff |
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774 | Crying out loud Lord rescue me | 1 John 5:13 | jlhetrick | 200200 | ||
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775 | Crying out loud Lord rescue me | 1 John 5:13 | jlhetrick | 200439 | ||
Hello blue-eyes and thanks for the response. None of the multiple translations I referenced in Revelation 17:17 say anything about "promise of God will be fulfilled". Instead, what I find is reference to the "words of God" being "fulfilled". With that, we then have to look at the context and what God is saying to us in the passage. In a nutshell, without getting off track from the topic, the passage in Revelation does deal with a promise of God. Specifically we are taught that God is in control, even of those that do not know him personally and do not give allegience to Him. He is sovereign. The promise that relates here is; Is 55:11 "so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (ESV) To further address your question- Scripture assures us that God's promises are dependable. A true promise from God will most certainly be fulfilled. That is not the issue. The issue, as my previous post addressed, is that not all promises found in Scripture are for you and for me. For example- God promised a particular land to the decendants of Abram in Genesis 12:7. He has not promised any land to your decendants or mine. It was to Jacob that our God promised that his (Jacob's) decendants will be "like the dust of the earth" and in "his decendants", again referring to Jacob (not you or me), "shall all the families of the earth be blessed". AGain, to David He promised; 2 Samuel 7:12 (NASB) 12 "When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom." So I hope that this is sufficient to demonstrate that there are many, many promises in Scripture that are not for you and are not for me. I feel that it is important to point out one more thing here. Please be careful when quoting Scripture most of all. Also though, be careful to quote others specifically if your going to quote. For example- I did not say that "not all the promises in GOD HOLYWORD cant be claimed". My point is that not all promises found in Scripture can be claimed by me for me. I hope I have demonstrated that by Scripture. God bless, Jeff |
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776 | Crying out loud Lord rescue me | 1 John 5:13 | jlhetrick | 200440 | ||
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778 | Jesus said "Have Faith in ME" | 1 John 5:14 | jlhetrick | 174368 | ||
Math..., Just some observations on your post. We should keep in mind that God does not "bring a solution" to every problem (2Cor 12:7-10). With this in mind, God does not promise to "meet the heartfelt need which we possess". The important thing is to focus on God and pray for His will to be done. Sometimes our own "feelings" and ideas about how things should look are very far from the will of God. When we pray, we should expect an answer, but we should not expect to stipulate the answer. Jeff |
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779 | WHY DOSE IT HAVE TO BE MOSSES AND ELIJAH | Revelation | jlhetrick | 184405 | ||
Hello weit74, Just thought I'd let you know that you are responding to a post that is just a couple of weeks short of being six years old. This is perfectly fine, just wanted you to know you might not get a response back from Elijah. |
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780 | Interpreting Revelation | Revelation | jlhetrick | 190517 | ||
Hello RC- You wrote: "I have come to a conclusion that Dispensationalism is very Anti Semetic in the Fact that God would once again chastise Israel by killing two thirds of them off while protecting the Church from the same time period" Where on earth did you get that idea?? Jeff |
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