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661 | Believing in the Bible and E.T.'s | Eph 2:2 | jlhetrick | 164448 | ||
Hello again FOE, I took no offense at your previous post nor meant any through mine. Let me respond to this post with sincerety as well. You wrote: "Rather I would broaden your horizens. I gave to you the message I would need to hear if I felt the way that has been described here." I passionately argue that the only message that any of us need is not your own, but the message of God found in His word. What knowledge has God "made plain" to you. And I never "assumed you have no knowledge of Aliens". I stated that you write as though you believe they exist. Furthermore, in the last post you do say that you have special knowledge from God about aliens and that you do believe they exist. You write " When you are given the opritunity to expand your knowledge of God, jump on it!" I warn: if you are receiving anything from any source other than God's word (the Holy Bible), or anything that does not agree with the bible or seeks to go beyond what is written, flee from it. It is not of God. By the way, I would offer the same advise to any man including the Pope of the Catholic Church. I have no knowledge of the Pope or any recognized church leader taking such a position but if one should they are mistaken. A very basic understanding of the gift of salvation reveals that it is something offered to mankind. The conversion of aliens is as rediculous (to me) as the conversion of Angels. After all, we know angels exist, but the Pope nor any other seeks to "convert" them (to my knowledge). Refer to 1 Peter 1:12 for a little insight there. You write: Do you need to see the wind to know it is there? Have you ever tasted, felt, seen or really heard an idea? How do you know an idea exsists then? I see evidence of the wind and the Lord has blessed me with senses, logic and common sense. Regarding the idea question, it's just not a logical question. An idea is by definition something that is imagined in the mind. So, based on your logic, I guess aliens are real. That is, in the imagination and mind of some. Finally friend, spend some time studying the word of God and gaining a better understanding of the faith that saves us in Christ our Lord. When one is "converted" the Holy Spirit Himself is given by God. It is, as I mentioned previously, a faith that is given by and maintained by God, not the one converted. My point is, if one is truly converted, an alien crashing through his living room in a flying saucer couldn't shake his faith. God is our sustainer and He who began the work of salvation in us, is faithful to complete it. (see Philippians 1:6). Friend, please consider investing a portion of your time reading the bible and asking God to reveal the truth to you. Consider what it has to say about Jesus Christ. Consider what it has to say about man's hopeless condition and need for a savior. Consider Romans chapter 10 verses 9 and 10. Sincerely, Jeff |
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662 | Saving and Forgiving Grace? | Eph 2:8 | jlhetrick | 163945 | ||
Rom 8:8 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God . NIV 1 Thess 4:1 4:1 Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God , as in fact you are living. NIV |
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663 | Saving and Forgiving Grace? | Eph 2:8 | jlhetrick | 163947 | ||
Hi Doc, I'm not sure they do much to demonstrate a good rebuttal to those who might argue that we can "increase our merit before God". There is pleny of scripture to do that sufficiently and undeniably though. I believe that these verses do help to demonstrate that we certainly can please God. Pleasing Him though does nothing concering out "merit" as that is sufficiently accounted for by the work of Christ and God's Holy Spirit only. I realize that this was the context of the thread. I only wanted to show that, yes, we can and do please God when we obey Him. Just as we grieve Him when we are disobedient. Of course, obedience does nothing to add to our merit as nothing we contribute can increase or inhance what has been given freely by grace. with love, Jeff |
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664 | Saving and Forgiving Grace? | Eph 2:8 | jlhetrick | 163950 | ||
Yes Doc, I know. We agree! | ||||||
665 | Can I go to Heaven if I smoke? | Eph 2:8 | jlhetrick | 190340 | ||
Winson- It is the standard on SBF to include biblical reference. You wrote: "acording to the good works what ur doing in this world according to that u will get rewards in heaven, specially howmany souls u gained for Jesus christ". Please provide bibilcal reference to support your statement. Thanks, God bless, and welcome to the Forum- Jeff |
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666 | Ephesians 4:5 | Eph 4:5 | jlhetrick | 200827 | ||
BB- as important as is it to not enter into a useless debate that offers no edifying potential I cautiously ask this. You seem to offer a fine, biblical argument that focues on the Holy Spirit (a person, not a force) as the One who unites believers. Then suddenly you seem to switch geers and say that the "baptism of verse 5 is best considered to refer to water baptism". Was that a typo? If not, how do you arrive at your conclusion please? Water baptism isn't even referenced or inferred in the immediate context. If the text says there is "one baptism" and the focus of the "context" is the unifying work of the Spirit, how would we arrive at water baptism one verse later? Consider again: Ephesians 4:4-6 (KJV) "4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." I believe it fair to argue that these statements in Scripture are speaking of essentials (of which water baptism is not). That is, the triune nature of God and the unifying work of the Spirit as He produces and works faith in us. I'm not looking for debate, but would like clarification. If I'm wrong, I would like to be set right. In all my years as a believer I have always understood this baptism to be that of the unifying work of the Holy Spirit and not water baptism. If this is a debate of the "experts" I have missed it. I have only heard this taught as the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Admittedly though, there is much out there that I haven't accessed as of yet. 1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. God bless, Jeff |
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667 | Dr. B. Biblical support Angels can't sin | Eph 4:9 | jlhetrick | 171707 | ||
Hello drbloor, You wrote: "If the wages of sin is death, and angels cannot die, then neither can they sin, or they would die, which they cannot do. At least, not according to Jesus." I have followed this thread with interest and have found you to be someone who appears to have a great deal of intelligence as well as bible knowledge. Will you please help me make sense of your above statement? A very obvious thought is, who is recorded as having committed the very first sin? Was it not Satan? Is Satan not an angel? I don't follow your argument here. To say that angels can't sin is so far out there that it makes it difficult to take anything else you say as credible. John 8:44 44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies . You said, "at least not according to Jesus". Jesus said Satan is a murderer and a liar. I'm believing at this point that you are fixed on the idea of physical death and forgetting the truth regarding the "second death". 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. Also see Revelation 2:11 and 21:8. God bless, Jeff |
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668 | Dr. B. Biblical support Angels can't sin | Eph 4:9 | jlhetrick | 171742 | ||
drblorr, We have not yet been involved in a discussion. I have asked you two questions and you have responded (or lack there of) to one of them. You wrote: "My Bible only contains one angel that is referred to as a "Satan" and that is in Numbers 22:22, and he was an obedient angel of the Lord." Therein may lie the problem. Numbers 22:22 in my bible speaks of only one angel and refers to that angel as the angel of the Lord. Not a hint of Satan. Furthermore, the Holy Bible (God's word) calls Satan by name both in the OT and NT many many times in at least 47 or more different verses. In any case, sir/ma'm, I respect your right to refuse to engage in further discussion. It is sometimes the very direct and apparently simple questions that stumps our premise; so yes, I do understand. Sincerely, Jeff |
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669 | Dr. B. Biblical support Angels can't sin | Eph 4:9 | jlhetrick | 171873 | ||
Hello drbloor, Does this have anything to do with my post? "guy with horns"??? Not sure what you mean. I read back over my post and didn't find any reference to the guy with horns. I did see one in a movie once though. I will look into that word though. I have very little knowledge of the Hebrew language. I'm thankful for and to others who have that knowledge and have been able to provide us with materials that we can do word studies when needed. I must admit, in spite of my not being a scholar of the Hebrew language, I was still surprised that I did not know that Satan was a Hebrew word. I thought it was an English translation. Thanks for the enlightening. Still, I can't find a correlation with my post. Sincerely, Jeff |
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670 | More harm then good? | Eph 4:16 | jlhetrick | 203144 | ||
Steve- You wrote.. "I don't know if "knowing our spiritual gifts" quite fits into Christianity 101 though. If it were this basic then I doubt there would be so much confusion and I doubt there would be so many Christians without a clue as to what their spiritual gift(s) were. I personally have seen many writings by mankind on how to identify your spiritual gift. But to my knowledge I don't recall any of them ever pointing to scripture to validate their claims :-(" I too do not know if knowing our spiritual gifts quite fits into Christianity 101. I do have an opinion, however, about why there is so much confusion about it all, especially in these times (and also like you I don't hang my hat on my opinion). I believe it's already been spoken of here, and I believe the biggest cause for confusion might be that SO MANY, for SO LONG, have plugged themselves into TO MANY ministries that they weren't called to. This has been going on for SO LONG that an accurate picture of a functioning local church that is fully seeking God and following His lead has likely never been observed by most. This is exacerbated by centuries of ignoring spiritual gifts, denying spiritual gifts, or inappropriate emphasis on spiritual gifts (or certain gifts). Finally, many of us are guilty of not honoring those gifts even when we have been convinced that He has given them. Finally, in speaking of Christianity 101 I'm of the "opinion" that the topic might fit for the simple reason that Scripture seems to speak of the gifts as a normal, expected part of the Christian experience. The lack of deep involvement in Scripture spelling out determining features may suggest that we take a complicated approach to what God intended as basic. Someone above talked about "natural gifts" (think it was lionheart but not sure) and appropriately so I believe. Most of us accurately realize when we are gifted in "natural" areas such as singing, sports, etc., whether we ever acknowledge God's grace to us or not. It may be that some Christians spend a lot of time debating with God when He is calling because they don't believe they "have the gift". If He's calling, He will provide the gift, that much we can all be sure of. God bless, Jeff |
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671 | am i wrong? | Eph 5:8 | jlhetrick | 180077 | ||
Hello Doc, "Sometimes the stuff the tares are saying may be interpreted as stuff the wheat are saying." I agree. A serious and obvious problem in the church today. Worsened by those "higher ranking" tares that are successfully breaking down and ruining long-established denominational entities. One of the most used excuses of the day is that of "acceptance". Acceptance, colored with the unbiblical application of love has lead many astray. It's an obvious indication of the lack of individual bible study and prayer; the willingness to surf the latest wave of doctrine spewed out from the organizational reef. Having grown up on the gulf coast and lived several years in Hawaii, I have observed and participated in the croweded rush to catch the next big wave. As a boy and then a younger man, I was unaware and unconcerned that the sharks hunt close to shore. The importnat thing was the thrill of the ride. Like the ocean reef broken off and imbeded just beneath the skin, it only takes a small bit of false doctrine to spread poison throughout the whole body. Praise God that the church does not belong to them or us, but to our Lord Jesus Christ. He will separate the wheat from the tares. In the love of Christ, Jeff |
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672 | am i wrong? | Eph 5:8 | jlhetrick | 180085 | ||
Brother Doc, A lot more could be said on this topic, but your quote of Tozer really does sum it up. Thanks for passing on those words of wisdom. Jeff |
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673 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155776 | ||
Hello Bows44, Let me jump in and attempt to give additional insight. I was interested in reading the exchange between you and Doc as you each seem to have an understanding of this issue from different ends of the spectrum. My views are my "personal" understanding of this issue as both a christian and a liscensed professional practicing in the "realm" of mental health. Eph. 5:29 can not possibly be anything other than a generalization (foucsing on the norm) used to make the point of the passage which is that a man is called to love his wife in the way a "normal" or "typical" man would love himself in that he tends to all of his personal needs be they emotinal or physical. Remember context. Job 9:21 says "Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life." (KJV) Job, while not saying that he in fact did despise his life, certainly had the understanding that it is possible that one might despise his life. Jude 1:8 says "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." (KJV) Now the obvious rebuttle to my argument here will include that the "defiling" of the flesh in this verse actually speaks to the sinful behavior resulting from the sinful loving of the flesh. This argument is missing the point so I "point" it out here. The real focus of the verse in this arguement is "despise dominion". Here, in my opinion, is where the issue of loving verses hating oneself (or despising oneself) might involve the issue of suicide. Before christ, dominion rests in the flesh. To the unsaved person he/she is lord of their own life and choses those things "fitting" as demanded by the flesh. Upon being saved, lordship (that is dominion/authority) is given over to God. The fight cointinues with the flesh however, and we might find ourselves "despising" the flesh. that is, we become unhappy and unsatisfied with our behavior when it is sinful and self-serving. We confess to the authority (God) in our lives and receive forgiveness and hope. But what about the unsaved. He/she too can become unhappy and unsatisfied with his behavior and more specifically the psychosocial stressors resulting. The problem is that he is his own authority and finds himself hopelessly incapable of managing the circumstances by his own devices. He doesn't know the Lord, he has no hope. If relief is not found, the sense of hopelessness can become overwhelming. Depression is a "real" thing. A person who truly feels no hope may see suicide as the "only" hope of escaping their persistant condition. This is the point that people might argue that they "love" themselves so much that they will kill themselves in order to escape the misery. This isn't good logic and certainly doesn't reflect what is really going on regarding the persons thought process and behavior. It is fair to say, (again in my opinion) that suicide is certainly a "selfish" act in that the person, even in their hopeless state, continues to look within themselves for the answer; thus they continue to refuse to acknowledge the God that created them and the only one that is able to save them. But, I would argue that this "selfishness" is a direct feflection of their lost and hopeless condition without the Lord rather than "self love". Hope this helps, Jeff |
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674 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155784 | ||
I think you play on words here which is something I attempted to satisfy with my response. I'll repeat myself. I think/believe that the statement made in the verse "no one ever hated their own body" was a generalization that has nothing at all to do with your presentation here. It was a statement meant to represent the rational or "typical" thinking and behavior regarding the attentiveness shown toward oneself which should be in turn shown toward the wife (which is the point of the passage). The point of the passage is in no way to present an argument that definitively states that the human being is not and will not be capable of hating (or not loving) himself or his body. I believe the verse I quoted from Job demonstrates this truth. you wrote: "Do you think there is a distinction between "loving my life", "loving my self", and "loving my body"? I ask, if you love yourself do you hate your body? If you hate your body do you love yourself? If you hate your body and yourself do you love your life? It is perhapse this type of "reading into" the verse that caused the confusion and original question in the first place. From your question it appeared that you were sincerely seeking an answer to a lagitimate question but then you appear to be rejecting the feedback offered by those who have responded. Leaves me confused about your motives. Finally, you wrote: "When the Bible says "No one ever hated their own body," are you saying that it doesn't really mean that?" Please don't attempt to draw me into that familiar, weak, philosophical argument meant to accuse blasphemy. Questions such as these are only appropriate when the questioned did not offer appropriate explanation for his comment which I have done twice now. Jeff |
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675 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155785 | ||
Hi Mark, No, I don't agree with this argument. This is the argument that Doc offered you. Again, this is the "all or nothing thinking" that requires us to have definitive Yes or no answers to questions that are more complex than yes or no. While there is no such thing as "relativness" regarding truth, there is relativneness regarding circumstances. You may hate your neighbor and want to see him "suffer" and be all sorts of miserable. Therefore, you would want to suffer if you hate yourself? Not a logical argument in my opinion. There is a significant difference between what I might think and feel about myself and what I might want to experience as a result of that thinking. For example. I have learned that I was a sinner deserving judgment and eternal separation from God. I am saved now though I continue to sin from time to time. I know this and I absolutely hate this about myself. but I do not want to punish myself with what I deserve in order to enhance my hatred toward my sin. With that said, let me add. There are people that I work with that do very intentionally cause harm and suffering to themselves and in some cases it is the result of being dissapointed with themselves to the point of believing they need to be punished. Sometimes it is more of an impulsive act done while agitated. These people are very very different from the suicidal patient. finally, you wrote: "If not for self-love, why do I seek better for myself?" As I have said, this is the "all or nothing" way of considering the question. For the unsaved it is most often (in my opinion) the love for self that motivates bettering oneself. To answer your question specifically, that is regarding you yourself, I would hope that the answer is your love for God and not self. Jeff |
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676 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155804 | ||
Hi Mark, I appreciate your described way of thinking but caution that this approach can sometimes be faulty. "Acting" based on ones "state of mind" can have disastrous consequences and even be dangerous (as I have attempted to demonstrate in previous posts here). And thanks for explaining how you see the bible with a "black and white kind of mind set". I don't criticize this statement because I think I know where you are coming from. That is, trying to demonstrate that you believe in the inerrancy of scripture. This I applaud and assure you that we hold this in common. But God expects us to do more than read His word. We are to read it and understand it in the context of all that has been given therin. Black and white thinking isn't sufficient in the study and discernment of God's word to us. A deeper, thoughtful approach is necessary. (please see 2 Tim. 2:15) I accept your appology in not meaning to bring offense by your pointed question, but then you offend me in the next paragraph. Again, I feel you twist my statments and meaning in order to, well, accuse me of blasphemy. You write: "you had already made clear that you did not accept that verse as having the plain, face meaning of the scripture" I shall expect an apology for this statment. Sir, I ask you to assign "plain, face meaning of scripture" by heading 2 Tim. 2:15 and reevaluate the verse in context of the passage and the rest of scripture. And as to why you asked the question in the first place, I believe that I did and do understand that. If you carefully read Doc's post to your original question and them carefully read mine, I think you might discover that I was actually giving opinion and belief that supported your original thoughts on this while throwing caution to some of what Doc had written, that is; that "suicide is ultimately rooted in self-love" which contradicted your premise articulated in your question. Finally, in having the bible allow for the verse in question being a generalization, I believe that the vers in Job very directly opposes the black and white thinking that absolutely no human being can or will "hate his body" or himself. In fact, you articulated in your original post that you yourself do not even believe this. One final attempt to make my point here. Let me try to give a short example from scripture of how a seemingly definative statement might actually represent a generalization. 1 Cor 7:29 What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none NIV Mark, I am a married man. Shall I get up from my computer tonight, go to bed, rise in the morning, and live the rest of my life as a single man? Would that be taking the scriptures at "plain, face value"? Sincerely, Jeff |
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677 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155838 | ||
Hi Bows44, I apologize and thanks for the correction. I also owe Mark an apology because I was in fact referring to your post and applying it to him. So, Mark, if you read this, I appologize for that and please disregard the section of my post regarding this. Jeff |
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678 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155839 | ||
Hi Doc, You will have to read Mark's comments in their context to understand my statement you are questioning here. At no point in this thread (or any other) did I say or suggest that the bible does not say what it says. Rather, I question from time to time whether the bible says what other's might try to extrapolate from it. Context, context, context.... Jeff |
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679 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155840 | ||
Hi Doc, I am either very misunderstood (poor poor me) or there continues to be a play on words (which is common on the forum so responses to my posts should be no exception). So, here we go: If you wear the "all or nothing" epithet as it might be defined by my presented rational, then I'm sorry. Your are one of the most knowledgeable members on the forum regarding the scriptures and the exegesis therof. Therefore, I find your statement concerning (unless of course it is in fact a play on words). Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy ALL flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and EVERY THING that is in the earth shall die. (KJV) (I added capital lettering for emphasis). God said ALL, He said EVERY THING. Did He mean "all", absolutely EVERY THING? Did He mean it in the "all or nothing" kind of reasoning? If He did, Noah and his family and all those animals sure got away with a big one. Case rested: Jeff |
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680 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | jlhetrick | 155843 | ||
Hi Mark, Yes, you misunderstand me. You also misquote and/or misrepresent what I have been saying. You are doing it with each post with subtle yet obvious statements like "I just cannot accept the arguement that because your experiences with people have shown you something different than what the Bible says, we must now therefore understand what the Bible say differently then we would if we just sat down and read it. We have to also take into account your experiences." I have never made such an argument! And for the sake of others that might read this post, let me say clearly that; no experience can show or teach you something different than what the bible says because, what the bible has to say is absolute truth and is not contradicted by man's words, thoughts, or experiences. I hope I make my position clear on this matter. Your comment is a gross misrepresentation of anything and everything that I have said throughout this dialogue. But you throw these things in between logical and friendly statements as if this some how excuses you for misrepresenting my comments. This is shameful behavior. This is also the basis for my commenting that you accuse me of blasphemy. Now, moving on. The first part of your most recent post very definately makes my point and, I think, clarifies to me that you got my point all along. You took the verse I presented (to Doc) and presented it in "context" of scripture to demonstrate that God's referring to "all" and "every thing" specifically meant, "all" and "every thing" EXCEPT Noah, his family, and the animals as He completed His thought and intent in the next verse. A perfect example of how "we" as God fearing christian men never, ever take a single verse, much less a single word and "assign" meaning to it without the context of the whole of scripture being in agreement. I believe and hope that all following this dialogue have benefitted from both of our presentations. Jeff |
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