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301 | 2 bothersome questions | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 187482 | ||
Glad I was helpful. God bless, Jeff |
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302 | Would Adam and Eve have fallen? | Gen 3:13 | jlhetrick | 186981 | ||
Hello ebrain, thanks for the reply. Regarding your statement your are right. I totally agree. Regarding your question, I'm afraid I do not understand what it is asking. "What sort of image of God, did Adam who was sinlessly perfect, and not deceived give?" Honestly not sure what your asking friend. I will try to address it in some manner the best I can. You might be asserting that because Adam was made in the image of God, was sinless, and was not deceived; that he was the hero you champion and not the "Head of Sin" as the bible teaches. If I am totally missing your point please rephrase you question. Otherwise, lets look at it closely. It's important to understand that yes, Adam was MADE. Yes he was made in the IMAGE of God, but he WAS NOT God. So we need to define what it means that Adam (man) was/is made IN the IMAGE of God. I have heard several different explanations of this, most of them having much in common. So for the sake of time and space allow me to speak to what being created in the image of God does NOT mean. Being made in God's image does not mean that Adam was "like" God in all manner of being. In other words, Adam did not possess the fullness in CHARACTER nor the fullness in ATTRIBUTES that God does. Without getting too long winded I will just give simple examples. Adam had no ability to create a thing, he was not omnipresent and he certainly was not omniscient. He was not self-existent, eternal, and unchanging. A most important truth of God that was not true for Adam, is that it is impossible for God to be tempted to sin. Adam was not only tempted, but did sin. With that said allow me to briefly speak to the point you continue to present. "Adam was not deceived". This is actually, in my opinion, one of the greatest truths that really does condemn Adam without excuse. Eve was deceived. She lent her ear, her time, her consideration to that what Satan had to offer as truth. Furthermore, she had to take the opportunity to way the differences between what God had said regarding the Tree, and what the Devil was then telling her regarding the tree. The sin was obvious so no need to go into it here. But what of Adam? The Scriptures plainly say that he "was not deceived" as you continue to point out (weakening your argument unwittingly). No, Adam was not deceived. He willfully chose to disobey God. If he was not deceived, then he knew he was wrong and went forth anyway. Finally, who gets credit for the fall? Satan, Eve...? No, Adam does. Rom 5:12 (ESV) 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—" With these things said, I would like to repeat your statement and then add to the statement as I don't believe yours was complete considering the context. Your statement : "Adam was made, sinlessly perfect, in the image of God, and after His likeness, also Adam was not deceived." Statement amended: "Adam was made, sinlessly perfect, in the image of God, and after His likeness, also Adam was not deceived." - Yet he sinned. Hope this helps, Jeff |
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303 | millennium pre and post | Rev 20:5 | jlhetrick | 186956 | ||
God's-elect and Searcher, Thank you both for that exchange. It was a very good example of what my understanding of proper use of the Forum should be. Short, specific, to the point, friendly exchanges back and forth. Easy to follow and informative. Thanks again, Jeff |
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304 | Would Adam and Eve have fallen? | Gen 3:13 | jlhetrick | 186952 | ||
I agree. God bless, Jeff |
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305 | Why is it not relevant today? | Matt 12:31 | jlhetrick | 186941 | ||
Hello Psalm and thanks for your patience and for responding. Great quote from "Got Questions.org. With the exception of the contradiction in the statement I basically agree with it. It is close to the usual explanation I often here. I believe the contradiction is in the first statement being "As a result, the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be duplicated today. Jesus Christ is not on earth. but seated at the right Hand of God. No one can witness Jesus Christ performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit." Followed by this statement: "Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy." Again, we are left with the question, is it still possible to commit the unpardonable sin today or not? The statement from Got Questions.com also seems to say no and yes. Anyway, I believe you and I are probably very close, if not in complete agreement, regarding the issue. As I said before, this is not an issue that I would accept at this point as being a waste of time in considering. I do agree that there is nothing productive that can come from the continued discussion here on the Forum. thanks for your feedback, Jeff |
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306 | Why is it not relevant today? | Matt 12:31 | jlhetrick | 186938 | ||
Hello John, I believe I agree with your statement, or at least your intent here. In the case a person dies in his/her sin, I couldn't qualify that the sin was unpardonable, but it certainly was unpardoned. John 8:21-47 (HCSB) 8:21 Then He said to them again, “I’m going away; you will look for Me, and you will die in your sin. Where I’m going, you cannot come.” 22 So the Jews said again, “He won’t kill Himself, will He, since He says, ‘Where I’m going, you cannot come’?” 23 “You are from below,” He told them, “I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am [He], you will die in your sins.” 25 “Who are You?” they questioned. “Precisely what I’ve been telling you from the very beginning,” Jesus told them. 26 “I have many things to say and to judge about you, but the One who sent Me is true, and what I have heard from Him—these things I tell the world.” 27 They did not know He was speaking to them about the Father. 28 So Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [He], and that I do nothing on My own. But just as the Father taught Me, I say these things. 29 The One who sent Me is with Me. He has not left Me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.” 30 As He was saying these things, many believed in Him. 31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you really are My disciples. 32 You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 “We are descendants of Abraham,” they answered Him, “and we have never been enslaved to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will become free’?” 34 Jesus responded, “ I assure you: Everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 A slave does not remain in the household forever, but a son does remain forever. 36 Therefore if the Son sets you free, you really will be free. 37 I know you are descendants of Abraham, but you are trying to kill Me because My word is not welcome among you. 38 I speak what I have seen in the presence of the Father, and therefore you do what you have heard from your father.” 39 “Our father is Abraham!” they replied. “If you were Abraham’s children,” Jesus told them, “you would do what Abraham did. 40 But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this! 41 You’re doing what your father does.” “We weren’t born of sexual immorality,” they said. “We have one Father—God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, because I came from God and I am here. For I didn’t come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why don’t you understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Who among you can convict Me of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe Me? 47 The one who is from God listens to God’s words. This is why you don’t listen, because you are not from God.” God bless friend, Jeff |
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307 | Would Adam and Eve have fallen? | Gen 3:13 | jlhetrick | 186931 | ||
ebrain, I find extreme difficulty with both your assumptions and your assertions made in post 186915 and continuation post 186916. I will not attempt to address every single point, just a couple of main points. You write: “I am interested to find out if others can arrive, or have arrived at the same conclusion.” Is it your belief that God has revealed a “conclusion” regarding the creation of man and the fall of man that is different from that commonly understood and believed by the Church for all the centuries? I ask in this way because you continue by suggesting that the reader “avoid human commentaries” and “rely solely on ‘divine’ commentary” and then set forth your own “commentary”. Very concerning because you really tell a story that seems far different than the one I see laid down in Scripture. This is not so hard a task for you or any other, it is a simple matter of picking and choosing verses to support your argument. Of course one would want those saints of God who have gone before you to be avoided, as they clearly include and address the whole of Scripture as it applies, rightly dividing the word of truth, teaching the word of God and not a new, individually arrived at “conclusion”. “The bible is the best commentary on the bible” is without a doubt the truth; but picking and choosing to support a position is the worst type of commentary. Forgive me for being so direct, I just have had about enough of this type of thing going on. Finally, you outright make the argument that Adam “saved his bride”. You do this in part by misquoting Scripture, a most dangerous and unacceptable thing. You wrote: “Did Adam go to the tree to obtain the fruit as She did, no he went to her and took the fruit from her…” Where do find that in Scripture????????????? Gen 3:6-7 (ESV) …she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate… Clearly different from your statement that Adam “went to her and took it from her”. And you assert that he did what he did not do in order to “save his bride” which he did not and had no capacity to do… Acts 4:11-12 (ESV) “This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." My friend, Adam in no way was a hero in taking Eve’s sin upon himself as you say. Quite the contrary, and as the Scriptures clearly teach, he was guilty of committing his very own sin reckoned it to all of mankind. This is where you are missing the point. When the Scriptures teach Adam as a “type” of “the one who was to come” (Romans 5:14) referring to Christ; it is not referring to Adam being a type of savior. Rather, as the first man his failure, his sin, was reckoned (imputed) to all mankind. Hardly a hero wouldn’t you agree. And he was a type of Christ how? In the same way that through him, the first man, sin was imputed to all mankind; through the one man Christ, atonement was made. Let me finally say that I find it interesting and somehow deceptive that if pabrain and stbrain are one and the same, pabrain would offer a post "in complete, and total agreement with what "stbrain" had to say". Very concerning, the entirety of both of your posts here. I have exceeded the amount of time and Forum space I had intended to use on this response so I will end here. Hopefully others will address your posts as well. God bless, Jeff |
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308 | Why is it not relevant today? | Matt 12:31 | jlhetrick | 186919 | ||
I would agree with that with the obvious reminder that you did offer an argument/answer to the question. Based on your stated concern for leading other readers to err, I respect your decision not to account for your earlier statements. In the event that you do draw some conclusion, feel free to email me a response. My user profile includes my email. God bless, Jeff |
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309 | Why is it not relevant today? | Matt 12:31 | jlhetrick | 186914 | ||
Psalm, I was really asking you to clarify your position; sorry I wasn't clear. For reference I will copy and paste your post (186832 ). You wrote: “If we keep Matt. 12:31 in context the pharisees refused to acknowledge Jesus as "the Son of God," and were therfore attributing His miracles as originating from Satan rather than from God. They only had two choices, either Jesus was "from God the Father" or He was not. If He was not then He got His power from the devil. The reason it is not relevant today is it was directly addressed to the pharisees as "they were the ones blaspheming the Holy Spirit giving credit for the miracles to Satan." The reason it was unforgivable is they did not believe in Jesus as being the Son of God. The one and only unforgivable sin is refusing to believe in Jesus.” In the effort to be clear I will keep it simple. I don’t agree that the argument that Jesus “addressed the Pharisees directly as they were the ones blaspheming the Holy Spirit…” supports that the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not relevant for today. I did offer an alternative that I have heard others argue, put simply, it was not that Jesus addressed them directly, but rather that they addressed Him directly. In other words, the argument offers that because Jesus the man as ascended and is no longer doing miracles in person for us to witness, it is impossible for us to witness it first hand and attribute it to Satan. After rereading your post several times, it may be that the later is what you were trying to say (maybe not- not wanting to put words in your mouth so to speak :) I may have said that this argument carries some logic, but I also said, and want to reiterate, that I don’t claim to know the answer; I don’t know the answer. Another thing that stood out and lead me to seek clarification was that you seemed to be contradicting yourself; and of course I may be simply misunderstanding you, thus the need for clarification. In either case, you seem to be saying that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit does not/can not occur today while at the same time ending your post with “The one and only unforgivable sin is refusing to believe in Jesus”. It is still possible to, and many do, live a life-time and die having refused to believe in Jesus. So based on your post, as I understand it, you either do believe in at least two unforgivable sins, OR, you believe blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is still relevant for today (and refusing to believe in Christ is that sin), OR, you don’t believe people refuse to believe in Jesus (and I'm not saying that either is true, just left unsure which). Some might argue that this whole issue is irrelevant and not worthy of serious time and consideration. My response to that would be that if there is such thing as a sin that is UNFORGIVABLE by God (and Jesus clearly said there is) it ranks way up there. Whether or not we can answer if the sin is committable today begs the question, why is the warning found in Scripture? God bless, Jeff |
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310 | Why is it not relevant today? | Matt 12:31 | jlhetrick | 186896 | ||
WOS, As is to be expected, your feedback is right on target and much appreciated. If you look back at my post, my comments on the views regarding the particular sin and whether it can still be committed were not my own views, but the arguments I have heard others make. It's impossible at this point to reference a source for them as they are simply memories of different things I have heard. I most recently heard both sides of the argument night before last on a radio talk show I happened upon while waiting for my youngest daughter to get out of class. I have no idea the name of the program or the speakers. Anyway, I didn't offer my own opinion because it would be just that, opinion. Not worth a grain of salt if I can't back it up with Scripture and I can't so I won't on this issue. I agree totally with your statement "Rejecting the God inspired testimony of the Christ (and what He did) seems really similar to blaspheming the Holy Spirit since it is the Spirit that bears witness in God’s Word." WOS, your feedback is always appreciated and deeply considered as I have found you to be a consciences, biblically based participant. Thanks and God bless, Jeff |
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311 | Why is it not relevant today? | Matt 12:31 | jlhetrick | 186895 | ||
Thank you Psalm 25, I don't believe we ever crossed wires on the definition of blasphemy and I don't believe anything either of us have posted suggests that either of us might be confused about the definition. I definitely agree that the THEORY of evolution is blasphemous. If one studies the theory even on a basic level, he will find that it easily and obviously falls into the category of "foolish things" (1Cor 1:27) Did you have a response to my post though? God bless, Jeff |
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312 | Can one who commits suicide be saved? | Ex 20:13 | jlhetrick | 186894 | ||
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313 | Why is it not relevant today? | Matt 12:31 | jlhetrick | 186857 | ||
Hello Psalm 52, I have heard arguments both on the side that the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is still a possible sin today and that it is not possible to commit this sin today. On the side of it still being possible the basic gist is that all who die unsaved are guilty of the sin. In fact, as the argument goes, it is the disavowing of Christ's work on the cross that amounts to the sin. On the other side of the argument I have never heard it taught that, as you put it, "The reason it is not relevant today is it was directly addressed to the pharisees as "they were the ones blaspheming the Holy Spirit giving credit for the miracles to Satan." I don't know the answer myself, though I can't understand how your statement about it might in any way suggest the sin was uniquely relevent only to those pharisees. We might perhaps rule out gentiles whom might have likewise given credit to the miracles of Christ to Satan; as they had not been entrusted with the law and the Scriptures. They really had no basis from which to attribute the Lord's work to the one true God. The Gentiles were not well versed in the Scritpures nor awaiting the promise of the Messiah. But what of other Jews who witnessed the miracles of Christ? The argument that it does not apply to today that makes most sense to me is as follows. Those who personally witnessed the man Jesus perform miracles and works (not heard about them but witnessed them) and had knowledge of what to expect in the Messiah; having seen and being unwilling to believe and furthermore basing their rejection on the attribution to Satan were guilty. The argument continues that because our Lord has ascended and it is impossible for any to witness Jesus the man perform a miracle, it is impossible to commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in our time. As I stated, I don't know the answer myself, but I don't agree that it was only possible for those pharisees based on the fact that Christ "directly addressed" them or they were the ones in that specific event who made the accusation. I am a bit confused too by your last statement "the one and only unforgivable sin is refusing to believe in Jesus". Does this amount to saying that refusing to believe in Jesus and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit are the exact same thing? If we were to agree that this is true, we would have to conclude that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is as much possible today as at any time. Would you agree? In any case, your post has encouraged my deeper thinking on the issue so thank you. God bless, Jeff |
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314 | Calvin or Armini | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 186806 | ||
shame on us? shame on you. nana nana boo boo. !-) |
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315 | Calvin or Armini | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 186805 | ||
Psalm 25, I hope that my previous response to you was sufficient to address this post as well. God bless, Jeff |
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316 | Can one who commits suicide be saved? | Ex 20:13 | jlhetrick | 186804 | ||
I agree that arguing about the issue may not at all edify anyone and arguing is rarely productive. I do have to stand by my calling you to account for your teaching with Scripture; but I certainly appreciate that I can not force you too. We can agree to disagree but I can't agree to sit passively by while you or anyone else presents opinion as biblical teaching. You see friend, the matters of life and death and the condition of ones soul are not matters that two differing "opinions" can both be right on. Hardly points to agree to disagree on. Rather, we should do our best to present to others what Scripture says on such matters and remain silent where Scripture is silent. I'm not so interested in "moving you from where you are" as you put it. I'm more concerned about addressing teachings that don't agree with the bible. "All of us are saved right?" No, wrong my friend. I suspect that there might be hundreds if not more who visit this site, some regularly, that are still unsaved. More the reason to insure what we teach is sound. God bless, Jeff |
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317 | Can one who commits suicide be saved? | Ex 20:13 | jlhetrick | 186800 | ||
I agree, and while I like to believe that I am always maturing as a Christian, I must admit that I don't fully comprehend the justice, the sovereignty, and other characteristics of our God. What I mean is, while I believe I have a good grip on the meanings of these and how they apply to God in general, I continue to be surprised at times in discovering them demonstrated in Scripture. God bless, Jeff |
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318 | Calvin or Armini | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 186799 | ||
Amen! | ||||||
319 | Calvin or Armini | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 186787 | ||
Dear Psalm 25, Welcome to the Forum. I might suspect that some time becoming accustomed to the Forum and the regular posters might be in order before accusing some of "attacking" and using grandmotherly terms such as "shame on them" when your referring to adult bothers and sisters. In any case, you didn't seem to think that necessary. Perhaps a strait-forward education is in order here brother/sister. I'll keep it short: The majority of the regular poster here take the Terms of Use and the "About the Forum" guidelines seriously. When a poster comes along that does not take them seriously we usually approach it largely based on how the "offending" post(s) are presented. Sometimes it's simply a matter of redirecting a poster to the Terms of Use in order to remind him/her of the agreement he/she made when signing up. In some cases, this fails and a poster will continue to violate those terms (say, continuing to attempt to start a debate on a divisive issue- a clear violation) in spite of being encouraged not to. The debate (and it can certainly be called that) surrounding election and free will is long-standing. I can assure you that nothing you have posted so far and nothing you might post will add significantly to that. Furthermore, the debate has a history on this very Forum and can be studied by using the "Search" function. A good rule of thumb in an social situation is to watch and listen (in this case read) at least long enough to understand what is going on before drawing a conclusion and making a judgment about the situation. Hope this is helpful in getting you adjusted. God bless, Jeff |
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320 | Can one who commits suicide be saved? | Ex 20:13 | jlhetrick | 186737 | ||
I have to refer you back to my original response my friend. You are in serious need of doctrine. Your understanding of Scripture seems to be based at best on your own opinion or assumptions as has been pointed out. As requested before, please provide Scriptural support for your argument. By the way, the word of God does not even suggest that Judas went to Hell because he committed suicide. In fact, it doesn't say he went to Hell at all though we can safely draw that conclusion I believe. It is you, my friend, who needs the advise to study. It is not sufficient to simply take our preconceived notions about how things are or aught to be and then wrap Scripture around them in a way that fits. That, my friend, is what's "wrong here and now" not theology. Look up the word and you will have a better understanding of where I am coming from, I hope. I am not attacking you, but shining light on the inaccuracy of your teaching. That, is what this Form is about. Getting it right and accepting redirection when the Scriptures are doing the directing. If you ever have the time, and are sufficiently bored, research my posts. You will find that I have been there and done that. I am thankful for the redirection I have received by others. without it, I would still be walking around believing in some things that are, well besides being nonsense, untrue. Wouldn't want that. As for "only recognizing scripture when it says this book and this verse then you have a problem" I can't respond other than to say I have no idea what you might mean by that statement. However, that you are at least aware of the "book" 2Timothy and the chapter and verse 2:15 gives me hope that you will find yourself growing in understanding as I do. Don't be discouraged. None of us have all the answers and those of us who are serious about learning and understanding the truth have also had to let go of some of our preconceptions and bad theology. What I have learned over time, is that it is actually a great relief and a great joy when I have been able to let go of a strongly held belief after having the truth revealed by God's word. I want to offer a new beginning point for you that might help in gaining a better understanding regarding Judas (since that seems to be the single bolt your building is hinged on regarding suicide). Study repentance. Not simply the definition, but what it truly means. Once you have a good understanding apply what you have learned to Judas (which will require effort in seriously reviewing Judas life and actions). I believe then that you should have the answer. If not, we will visit the Old Testament for further insight if you are interested. Hope this is helpful, Jeff |
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