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341 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | humbledbyhisgrace | 205075 | ||
Your still spouting the teachings of the Jehovah Witnesses cult which are not allowed on this forum! |
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342 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | humbledbyhisgrace | 205079 | ||
Greetings Val! I'm sure your probably aware the teaching colt pushed is a Jehovah's Witnesses teaching. Just wanted to say good eye on your part! We are seeing a lot of false teachings being pushed on the forum right now. Glad you are here to help redirect and correct :-) Steve |
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343 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | humbledbyhisgrace | 205091 | ||
Perhaps you can understand my dilemma if I explain. Your teachings are riddled with that of the Jehovah Witnesses cult. I know you have said you are not a Jehovah Witnesses. Or, rather you said you were not a "JW". Yet you continue to spout their teachings. It is interesting your teachings are the same as theirs considering they are as you say your own understanding of scripture. Also, considering their Theocratic War Strategy (i.e. they approve of and practice the use of hiding the truth from God's enemies to protect God's cause) I'm a bit skeptical. I've never known one to have so many of the same teachings as theirs and not been a member. Can you see my dilemma? Steve |
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344 | How does the above relate to serving | Rom 1:1 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189943 | ||
Greetings stjohn! Without attempting to address the original question I would like to point out something for discussion that doesn’t seem right to me. Based on what you appear to be saying, this type of teaching changes the standards of God to that of man (My opinion). 1 Corinthians 12:1-31 discusses the body of Christ and the importance of every member thereof. What scripture bases do we have to say that if you practice sin, you can serve in this capacity but not in that? Also, it would seem to me we are out of step with the will of God if mankind is dictating who uses what gift of the Spirit. How then do we say to one, you cannot use the gift given you by God but you can however serve in this manner as we (mankind) deem this a worthy gift of a sinner but not that? Your thoughts? Steve |
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345 | How does the above relate to serving | Rom 1:1 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189971 | ||
Stjohn, Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I tried to point out was that God gives the gifts to man to be used in the body of Christ. It is not mankind's place to change that or reassign the gift. In other words, it is not biblical for us to remove a brother or sister from one place to another place in the body of Christ. Each gift given to the church is important and every member of the body is to walk worthy of their calling. As you originally said it, one is left with the impression that if you practice sin, you cannot serve in the body in such and such a role but it is okay to serve in this lesser role. Scripture teaches that each gift is essential to the body and although mankind may have a tendency to not give much weight to certain gifts, God clearly has a different opinion (1 Corinthians 12). One walking in sin should not be allowed to serve in any role in the body! The infected part must be cured or removed! In regards to what should be done with the one walking in sin we can look to Matthew 18:15-17 That's how I understand it. Steve |
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346 | How does the above relate to serving | Rom 1:1 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189978 | ||
Morning stjohn, Yes, the problem is in regards to giving them another job to do. In my opinion, there is no "menial job" in the body of Christ. After all, each member has been gifted to serve in the body and each one serves the King of Kings. No one gifts themselves and it is not our place to gift the members of the body. But God Himself pours out His grace on us and places us in the body where He desires (Ephesians 4:7, 1 Corinthians 12:18). The view from scripture clearly places importance on each member of the body as should we (1 Corinthians 12:18-27 and Ephesians 4:15-16) You said "In regard to gifts, certainly you are not saying that someone who has a gift of preaching or teaching, and is in adultery and it is known, that they should be aloud to continue? Matthew 18:15-17 seems to disagree with your statement" Absolutely I am not saying that! That contradicts everything I have said. Sorry if I have not been clear. Steve |
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347 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 177997 | ||
Greetings Brother! Thanks for the kind words! I hear what your saying. I was searching the scriptures on this one too and then I realized I had put together a short sermon ;-) that really was not what she was asking for. Oh well, I had much fun in the effort. The Lord God truly is Good! He showed me once again as I searched His Word. In service to the King Brother! Steve |
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348 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 178056 | ||
Greetings rebar and welcome to the forum! The responses given were not ment to be all inclusive of every scripture related to the subject. As Brother Doc pointed out in his post, there is much that can be discussed on the subject, i.e. "This topic is a fascinating one, but ferreting out the details can get pretty involved." (taken from Doc's post). Take a look at Romans 2:14-15. Good stuff yes? It speaks right to the heart of the matter. And as the scriptures you refered to point out as well, mankind is without excuse. Thanks for your input on the subject and again, welcome to the forum! If you would, please take the time and enter a little information about yourself in your profile. This is a great place to learn and study the Word of God and to share with others as well. I think you will find there are many here that can be very helpful in learning more about the Word of God and there is always lots of opportunities to share what you know as we all continue to grow in Christ. God Bless, Steve |
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349 | what is the wages of sin? | Rom 6:23 | humbledbyhisgrace | 180257 | ||
Greetings Eagle! Is this the work of Miles J. Stanford you posted? This looks identical to the information found at http://www.withchrist.org/MJS/adamic.htm If so, could you please in the future give proper credit to the source you quote. Thanks and God bless you! Steve |
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350 | what is the wages of sin? | Rom 6:23 | humbledbyhisgrace | 180273 | ||
Greetings Eagle! Thanks for responding. I understand! Apology accepted by all I'm sure as you readily stepped up and admitted your oversight. Brother Doc pointed out some very good reasons for making sure to give credit were it's due in cases like this so hopefully all who reads along will learn from it. And hopefully we all will learn from your humbled spirit as well! Your brother in Christ, Steve |
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351 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209379 | ||
Brother Tim, It seems to be a stretch to say this was Paul speaking of himself as a Pharisee so I hope you don't mind me breaking in your study :-). So in an attempt to reconcile, let me reverse the question. Considering verses 21-23, 25 how does one reconcile the passage to be speaking of a none believer? Romans 7:21-23 and 25 (NASB) 21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. Where in Scripture do we see it taught that the natural man "wants to do good” or “joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man” or struggles with a “different law in the members of" the "body” and “the law of” the mind, or with the “mind” serve the “law of God” but with the “flesh the law of sin”? Is it not true that the mind set on the flesh does not submit itself to the laws of God and is not even able to do so (Romans 8:7)? The desires of the natural man or not the things of God but of the flesh (1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 8:5-8, Galatians 5:16-25). And what of Romans 3:10-12? Considering verse 17. If he indeed is describing himself as when he was a Pharisee, how is it as a Pharisee, it is no longer him doing it but sin in him? As a Pharisee, when was he set free from the bondage of sin? And one last point. How do we reconcile verse 25. Again, if Paul is describing himself as a Pharisee, how do we reconcile that he thanks God through Jesus Christ our Lord and yet concludes that on the one hand he serves the law of God with his mind but on the other with his flesh the law of sin? A Pharisee thanking God through Jesus Christ our Lord??? Although a Christian has been set free from sin, they can indeed be fleshly (1 Corinthians 3:1-3) Also, Romans 6:12-13 seem to clearly indicate that although the believer is no longer a slave to sin, sin is certainly still a distinct possibility in the life of a believer. Romans 6:12-13 (NASB) 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. What am I missing? Your brother in Christ, Steve |
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352 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209444 | ||
Brother Tim, I'm not aware of scripture that teaches Saul the Pharisee tried to obey the Law or wanted to obey the Law but didn't or couldn't because of sin. Is there Scripture reference that speaks to this struggle? We do have his view of himself regarding his righteousness in the Law as a Pharisee. Philippians 3:6 (NASB) "... as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless." As a Pharisee he viewed himself blameless in regards to the Law. Where was the struggle we find in Romans 7:14-25? I'm not seeing it brother! Your brother in Christ, Steve |
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353 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209582 | ||
Brother Tim, Let me first say when I read your first post on this I had no idea there was even a debate on the passage of Scripture. I found myself scratching my head at your teaching. So after responding the first time or two and waiting to see your follow on post I started doing a little research to try and understand what the debate/difference in views on the passage was. Like I said, it was news to me?!?!?! Anyway, it has been an interesting study/look at the whole thing. Not that I covered all that probably could be found on the subject written by others but enough to see the different arguments. Looking at what Hoekema said let me just quickly say as I have already pointed out, Paul himself seems to have a different view of himself as a Pharisee than Hoekema does (Philippians 3:6). No indication of a struggle with sin! Sounds like to me Paul had no struggle with his sin nature until he found out he had one. And as I pointed out in the first post, Scripture tells a different story of the lost person (1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 8:5-8, Galatians 5:16-25, etc...). Thank you all the same for the post. I've been taking the time to look through all of this. Let me share with you something in return. As I was searching the net for material on this passage of Scripture I found this which does an excellent job on the text / subject. http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TopicIndex/126_Indwelling_Sin/57_Who_is_This_Divided_Man_Part_1/ http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TopicIndex/126_Indwelling_Sin/58_Who_is_This_Divided_Man_Part_2/ http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TopicIndex/126_Indwelling_Sin/59_Who_is_This_Divided_Man_Part_3/ http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TopicIndex/126_Indwelling_Sin/60_Who_is_This_Divided_Man_Part_4/ http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TopicIndex/126_Indwelling_Sin/62_Who_is_This_Divided_Man_Part_6/ Galatians 5:16-17 (NASB) 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 5:17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. God bless my Brother, Steve |
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354 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209744 | ||
Brother Tim, To a Pharisee, was there understanding of righteousness not in the "observance of the Law"? Yes, indeed it was and when Paul says he was found blameless in regards to the righteousness that is in the Law he is stating his view of his past life as a Pharisee. He goes on to say he counts it all as loss that he may be found in Christ, not having a righteousness of his own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith (Philippians 3:8-9). I'm not sure how we could find his meaning of not being blameless in regards to the righteousness that is in the Law anything but him viewing himself sinless at the time he was a Pharisee. By the way, it is not my notion but rather Scripture that explains the state of the lost. It is clear that the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (1 Corinthians 2:14). It is clear that the flesh does not and cannot submit itself to the laws of God (Romans 8:7). It is clear from the word that all are under sin there are none righteous, none understand, none seeks for God, all have turned aside, all have become useless, none does good (Romans 3:10-12). I don't think we can in good conscience ignore that when considering the passage of scripture in question. The Judaism argument side steps the issue altogether. I didn't present the argument as you stated it. Never the less, their legalistic approach to righteousness does indeed reflect what the scriptures teach in regards to the lost. On your third point I think I have been trying to address that. I personally do not see the passage as you have described it. The contradiction as I see it comes when trying to view the passage as describing a lost person. This is why I pointed to what the word teaches us about the lost person. In context of the whole I personally fail to see how the passage in question can ever relate to one who is lost. The greater contradiction as I see it is to claim the things Paul says is that of a non-believer. There the contradictions to overcome becomes greater then my simple mind could ever reason given the clear teaching in Scripture of the fallen man. Paul makes a crucial point in verses 17 and 18. SO NOW, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. (v17) For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh... (v18). Yet as a Pharisee, blameless. Go figure! :-) The Law was spiritual, not Paul, he like we were sold into bondage to sin. It is not that we are not capable of sinning any longer. But we have been justified, declared righteous in Christ! No longer condemned (Romans 6:6-7, 8:1). This is our freedom from sin! Our obligation is no longer to the flesh (Romans 8:12) but the Spirit! Putting to death the deeds of the body. The corruption of the flesh is ever present (Romans 8:5-8) and Paul clearly warns of our obligation to live according to the Spirit and not the flesh (Romans 8:13). Sorry for the long delay in responding. It was a busy weekend and typical Monday... Your brother in Christ, Steve |
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355 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209745 | ||
PS. I'll take a look at the other two post you responded with as soon as I get some more time. Enjoying the dialog brother! Steve |
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356 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209862 | ||
Brother Tim, In regards to you speaking for me, well, I guess I don't mind so much brother as long as it's accurate :-) But in this case it's not an accurate assessment so I must correct what you said. It appears all my ramblings are not properly conveying my thoughts. The contradiction is that we are to believe for example the lost person joyfully concurs with the law of God in the inner man (v22). The Scriptures say the lost person is dead in his trespasses and sins indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind , and by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1, 3). This dear brother does not reflect one who joyfully concurs with the law of God in the inner man. We are not talking about a simple matter of the mind, but the nature of the man. Where I disagree with your position is where you say there "is a direct 1 to 1 correlation". Look at verse 14 again. Paul does not say that he is NOW sold into sin. He says "I am OF flesh, sold into bondage to sin". The flesh is sold into bondage to sin. This is a statement of fact and it applies to all of us. Those who are lost or nothing but sinful flesh. Only in Him do we have freedom. The freedom as I pointed out and understand it is we are justified in Him, no longer condemned. The freedom is not that the flesh is no longer sinful. This is clear from Romans 6:6-7, 6:12-13a, and Romans 8:5-8. It is only once Christ is in us the spirit lives (Romans 8:10). I have a question for you my brother. In verse 24 Paul says "Wretched man that I am!..." Tell me, considering what Scripture teaches us about the lost as I have pointed out in previous post in this thread and again above regarding Ephesians 2:1 and 2:3, where do we find the lost person considering themselves wretched? Granted, they are indeed wretched, but given Scripture, how are we to understand that one described as they are has such a view of themselves as so? That is how I understand it. It is much much more than a matter of the mind as you attributed to my position. Your brother in Christ, Steve |
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357 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209920 | ||
Greetings Tim, On your point 1 I still find disagreement because of the passage in Philippians. This passage is actually Paul "a mature Christian", a regenerate person describing himself when he was a Pharisee. The very thing you are saying about Romans 7:14-25. Who are the "early church fathers" you are referring to? By the way, I have already mentioned I didn't even know this passage was viewed differently and my understanding doesn't come from someone else's view. I say that just to make the point that I have not adopted the view of others but rather it is my own understanding of Scripture. So, if I am wrong in my understanding it is not due to others but rather my own inabilities to understand :-( Your point 2 still does not validate the passage as you have described it (my opinion :-) When Paul or you or me or anyone was sold into the bondage of sin, we were indeed the "I", we were nothing but "fleshly". It is a statement of fact so to speak. If it were describing his current state, then the following verses would have to reflect that truth i.e. that he, the "I" is still in bondage to sin wouldn't it? Hopefully from that you can follow my way of thinking on this :-) So, if you would, give the same treatment to Romans 7:17 as you did Romans 7:14 Romans 7:17 Now then no more I that do it, but that dwelleth in me. sin By the way, what resource are you using for the literal translation you presented? Thanks brother! Your bother in Christ, Steve |
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358 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209931 | ||
Greetings Tim, If sin were victorious as you say, then how in this verse does the "I" no longer have guilt of being the one doing the sin? What could possibly be meant by "now and no longer I" if this is talking about an unregenerate person? When you have time, please explain why/how you see this as sin being victorious. I'm not following that. By the way, I was not accusing you of saying I had gotten my view from anyone. Sorry if it came across that way. Thanks Tim! Your bother in Christ, Steve |
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359 | Who is the Wretched Man? | Rom 7:24 | humbledbyhisgrace | 209932 | ||
Greetings Cheri! Thanks for the link. I think I installed this one time before in the past but had read something on it that left me wondering of the quality of interpretation etc... Of course, I'm no judge of such because the Hebrew and Greek are foreign languages to me. Ha! :-) I do have Hebrew and Greek Interlinear resources but I was wondering what Tim was using. Thank you very much! Your brother in Christ, Steve |
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360 | Free will and predestination co-exist? | Rom 8:29 | humbledbyhisgrace | 178582 | ||
Greetings Z! You said " I am NOT supprised that you do not wish to "debate" with this kind of theology." in reference to "God brings to us the message of faith, that if we believe in our heart, and confess with our mouth, we will be saved. Just curious if you have ever read this scripture Romans 10:9? On this matter I would say Marks theology is dead on based on scripture. What say you? Your Brother in Christ, Steve |
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