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1 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160831 | ||
Thanks for responding. Your first question is interesting. I don't pick and choose the portions I like. I "like" it all. I find it all accurate, usefull and reliable. Thanks for pointing me to 2 peter. I think that is Peters opinion of Pauls writings. So your answer is basically the bible is the "word of God" because Peter said so? Thanks again for your input. I do appreciate it. | ||||||
2 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160836 | ||
Beking saved means to have eternal life with Christ. How to be saved is to put your faith in Christ, John 3:16. Why use the bible? Because I belief it to be accurate, useful and reliable. | ||||||
3 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160840 | ||
Yes I am honestly seeking the truth. I grew up in the a church where the gospel was not preached and legalism, religion and traditions of men decieved me for many years. After being set free and finding the truth about Gods salvation through faith in Christ I am very vigilant about what people tell me. People have told me and I have believed for years that the bible is the word of god. My research has led me to believe that the bible is an accurate account of the life of Jesus. I am thankfull for the new testament! But the word of god? My faith is in Christ. I think some people put their faith in the bible. I put mine in Christ. I believe New testament and old testament "affirm" each other. The old testament tells us about Jesus and what is going to happen and the New testament tells us what did happen. I believe the Gospel message is in the bible. Not that the bible is the gospel message. I appreciate your response. |
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4 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160841 | ||
I appreciate your response Hank. I can and do believe in Jesus because of the bible. I said that I found it to be accurate, useful and reliable. I dont think you can find salvation through a church any more than you can find salvation by having faith in the bible. My salvation can be found in the gospel. It is not actual message that saves it is the meaning. My faith lies in Christ. Thanks again for your response. | ||||||
5 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160843 | ||
Thanks for your response. I am seriously searching for the answer. I know most people who do not believe the bible to be the "word of God" usually doubt the accuracy and usefullness. I have not express my view to many people. I thought this may be a good place not to be judged. Should I assume you have quoted 3:5 in reference to me? Thanks for your response. |
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6 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160858 | ||
Thanks for responding. As I stated in the question. I believe the bible to be accurate, usefull, and reliable. I think John 16:13 is exactly what I am doing. Why do you think the bible is the "word of God" and not just reliable, accurate and usefull? If 2 Tim 3:16 is your answer, he is refering to the Old testament. The new testament was not compliled yet. Your warning in Rev 22:19 is in reference to the book of revelation itself. I believe the book of revelation to be a book of prophesy that stands apart from the rest. And again the new testamtent was not compiled when the book of revelation was written. So what about John 16:13 Do we just believe the bible is the "word of God " because someone told us that it is? Thanks again for your response. |
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7 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160859 | ||
Thanks for 2 cor 3:2. I like that! To me, that is it. The "word of God" is written on our hearts by the spirit of God not with ink on paper. Jhn 20:30-31 I do think the bible is accurate, useful and reliable. But making that leap to "word of God" is unnecessary and misleading. Thanks again for your response. |
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8 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160862 | ||
CDBJ, I believe that the bible is a accurate historical account of the life of Jesus. Through which the Gospel message has been past down, to which I am thankful for. I dont think it is a "hoax". What is comes down to is making the leap from accurate historical account to the actual "word of God" The bible states that the word became flesh. Jesus is the word written on our hearts by the spirit of God. I believe those verses in John. I believe what they say. That they were written so that they would believe in Jesus not believe in the Johns words as the "word of God" Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for your response. |
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9 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160881 | ||
1. Your first point, 2 timothy is refering to the old testament. The new testament had not yet been compiled. 2. Your second point proves accuracy, not The actually literal "word of god". 3. Your third point? 4. Integrity of "human authors"? Exactly. This again prove reliability and accuracy, not the actual literal "word of god" 5. "Indestructibility in the bible". The bible has not transformed countless of lives. Christ the creator and savior has change countess lives. Reliable? yes. Accurate? yes. Usefull? yes. "word of God"? no If you believe the bible to be the "word of god" then why does it say that Jesus is the "word of God"? And by the power of the spirit writes his words on our hearts. Jesus is the "word of God" written on all believers hearts. Saying the bible has saved us is like saying to the person who witnessed to us saved us. It is not the messenger (i.e. the bible) it is Jesus Thanks for your response |
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10 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160882 | ||
Inerrancy is not the question. | ||||||
11 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160903 | ||
Now we are getting somewhere. This is a good point! Would like more of them. Thanks. | ||||||
12 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160977 | ||
Gospel-Christ is God, our savior, put faith in him, him only. Heard Christ from friends and bible. You, said "If, as you seem to contend, the New Testament is not the word of God, how is it then possible to trust it sufficiently to have faith in Him of whom it testifies?" I am sure you have have reasons for believing the bible to be accurate. Like yours I'm sure, mine are,the authors showed humility in writting about their struggles and failures. The fact that they died for their faith. They didn't do it for fame, fortune, sex, power. Even if their were faults or minor inconsistencies, the meaning and message of the gospel of Christ will not change. I believe it to be accurate and reliable. I would never throw it out I believe it to be useful. The josh mcdowell book- I am not against reading it. Just really busy. I will keep in mind. Did you like it? Thanks |
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13 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160985 | ||
Jesus was referring to teach all nations about him. Not teach them about the bible. Me or My faith is not tossed because it has christ as its foundation, not in the bible. Ok, so you believe it is the W.O.G because you have faith in it. Period nothing else. |
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14 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160988 | ||
This is what I said in the post you are referring to " Thanks for pointing me to 2 peter. I think that is Peters opinion of Pauls writings. So your answer is basically the bible is the "word of God" because Peter said so?" I still "think" it is Peters opinion but it is the best and only point I have heard so far. |
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15 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160990 | ||
You said " It is through the bible that we learn of the work of Christ that saves us" I agree. You said "I fear that your ability to believe may have been hindered by the early experiences that you mentioned earlier in this thread. It seems as though you are looking for scientific type data or other evidence outside of scripture to convince yourself that the bible is real or not." I agree. It makes me very uneasy to believe anything without some type of evidence. I am able to take a "leap of faith", I believe we all do that with the bibles accuracy and reliability. I just need more eveidence. For generations people have been taught that it is the W.O.G., that is not good enough for me. I think most of what I read on this forum comes down to the fact that you and others believe it is the W.O.G. because you have taken that "leap of faith" I can accept that answer and in fact respect it. |
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16 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160995 | ||
hum, you gave me something to think about you said "I don't think He uttered all that we read there. I think he inspired it." Do others believe this on this thread? Thanks for the response. |
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17 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160996 | ||
Jeff, Why is this thread "temporarily restricted"? | ||||||
18 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161066 | ||
Her point was that the bible is inspired. Not every word uttered was the W.O.G. If someone inspires me to paint a painting. The person who did the inspiring did not paint the painting, I did. |
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19 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161086 | ||
So you admit there is no evidence. I can respect that. My reasons for having FAITH in the Accuracy and reliability- written by men who died for the message, they showed personal humility in their struggles and failures, they did'nt do it for the money, women or wine. You quoted above "1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. I am trying to "be sure" and "certain". If someone tell yo to "be sure" and "certain" aren't you going to investigate, think about what you have learned, think about who taught you, what were their motives if any, then take the leap of faith by "being sure and certain" I would and do. I am sure you do this all the time, except with the bible. You said "We damage so severely the word of God, our Bible, when we think we can play God and pick and choose what Scripture is inspired and which is not. In doing so, quite quickly, the rest of the Bible begins to unravel. Only God has the authority to decide what is inspired and what is not." I think your assuming I am some guy looking to evade something that I don't like in the bible. This is not the case. I think the W.O.G. is written on my heart by the power of the spirit ( as the bible states) I find that to be VERY CONVICTING. My faith is based upon faith in Christ not faith in the bible. I have faith that the message in the bible is accurate and reliable. If for some strange reason someone convinced you lets say that the bible had a minor inconsistancy. Would your faith unravel? I hope not. You said "Only God has the authority to decide what is inspired and what is not. Scripture attests to the fact that all of it is inspired, as has been pointed out by numerous people throughout this thread" The quote in timothy in talking about the old testament. The new testament had not yet been compiled. p.s., I read and liked your bio. God has blessed you abundantly! Peace |
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20 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 161108 | ||
I would rather be inspired by god than my mailman. But Inspiration and taking control over what I am doing are two different things, I agree. | ||||||
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