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581 | Where did the Holy Spirit go? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83150 | ||
This is not MY conclusion. This was a question directed to John in response to his statement, "The spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and is also called the spirit of God. To say that Jesus died spiritually would mean that the Holy Spirit also experienced death, which would imply that the Father experienced spiritual death as well." We know that Jesus was man and God and we know He was filled with the Holy Spirit in the Jordan River, so when He descended either the Holy Spirit went with Him or left Him to descend alone. I believe Jesus was God and man. I believe in the trinity 3 persons in ONE. Hope this clears up the confusion. God bless |
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582 | Define 'spiritual death' | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83156 | ||
Justme...Now you have jumped forward to a different aspect of the discussion. Did He go the the place of torment or did He go to Abraham's Bosom which was within hearing range of the place of torment, but all...Abraham's bosom, the place of torment where Lazaarus went or the lake of fire....all three are catagorized as part of Hell. This was not what the discussion was about. Please re read my post...I did not say as you seemed to hear, that Jesus went to the place of torment... I said,"He must have gone at least to a part of Hell. This is the common belief among all mainstream denomininations, is it not?" Acts 2:27 BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY. The question was, "Did Jesus die spiritually?" Whether you call Hades Abraham's Bosom, or interpret it as the place of torment where Lazarus was...it is still Hades..Hell. The question was, what is spiritual death? I believe Ray gave a really good response to this question. "I am not tring to make you upset but this is a very serious point of that the Godhead is over all, and would not allow satan to torture Jesus Christ. Peace." Thank you, and nor am I. But the fact is Jesus came for that very reason...to suffer the penalty of death we would have suffered, to take our place. This is the truth of the gospel my brother! Jesus was God come in the flesh to pay the penalty of death WE DESERVED. Jesus the Word died our death for us. Maybe we can discuss this more later. I am out of time. God bless God bless |
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583 | Define 'spiritual death' | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83177 | ||
"Romans talks a lot on the second death which is "spiritual death" this second death is for those who have rejected Jesus Christ. Jesus did not suffer "spiritual death"." "There are those in the Word of Faith movement that teach this doctrine." This is not relevant to the study. If we on the forum can keep the study to scripture, we all can benefit. True...but prior to Jesus' death the dead in faith were kept in Abraham's bosom because it was not possible that the blood of animals could cleanse them. After the resurrection of Christ, the order of things changed...Abraham's bosom ceased to exist (as I understand it) So Jesus was still under the Old Covenant. "I don't believe the Word of Faith movement is a demonation in the same way as Lutherians, Southern Baptist and the like are." These are the ones I was referring to... Read my post to Ray. Also now answer the question. The scripture I quoted in Acts 2 is speaking of Jesus? Do you see Hades as as Abraham's bosom? I Abraham's bosom a department of Hell? Was Jesus God? Did God the Father 'forsake Jesus' as Jesus Himself said? If Jesus/ God went to Hades (descended)seperated from God...spiritual death...due to our sin.... "All I can say is The Bible by it's self stands, and anything that does not fall in line with Scripture I reject. I wish for peace." Absolutely! God's Word is the only Truth....I agree!If you will answer the above questions, with scripture, I believe you will find them to be true. Remember, I am not addressing the teaching that Jesus went to the the place of 'torment' where Lazarus was..that is another subject. This is GREAT! We have actually had a discussion (somewhat Biblical) and remained courteous! there is hope! God bless |
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584 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83200 | ||
"I agree that our human souls do not die, nor did Jesus'. And his human soul never lost its union with his Divine Spiritual Personhood in the Blessed Trinity." Emmaus, how do you interpret Matthew 27:46? And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" God bless |
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585 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83204 | ||
Praying Psalm 22. But is also expresses that Jesus is experiencing the wrath of God as He suffered for our sins. But we need to know what Jesus knew, that Psalm 22 starts in apparent forsakenness but ends in glory." 'apparent forsakenness' While there is not doubt that Jesus arose victorious, He experienced the seperation from the Father because of sin, though not His own, still suffered the wrath of God. Spiritual death is seperation from the Father. While I realize it is incomprehensible,God forsaking God, but I see scripture leaveing us no other alternative. John 1..Jesus, Word, God.. Acts 2.. thou will not leave His soul in Hades... God bless |
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586 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83246 | ||
Do these towo statements contradict? "I believe that refers to the human soul of Jesus, as it would to our human souls, but not to Jesus' Divine essence which could not be lost for even a second with destroying the central doctrine of the Christian faith which is the Trinity." "A study of the doctrine of the "hypostatic union" is what is needed to understand why Jesus could not be separated from his Divine essence." The Holy Spirit is here to lead and guide us into ALL truth. God is not 'hiding' the truth. Truth is not a great hidden mystery. Although I know we will not see it all in this life because of our tendency to lean toward human understanding, that does not mean the truth is HIDDEN. The problem with us is that when we can't comprehend it with our carnal minds, we hold fast to our theology and call the lack of understanding a mystery! Jesus the Son of God went into Hades...God's Word says so....And since He was all God and all man, He was not seperated from His Divine Essence, and the Trinity was not destroyed. So the theology must be wrong because God's Word is not. If we are ever going to understand Divine truth, we must first acknowledge the Word says what it says and if it disturbsa our theology, the our theology should be the one that goes...not the Truth of the Word of God. If the Word says that Jesus Christ, the third person of the Trinity went into Hades, He did! And since the Trinity did not disipate, apparently the theology is wrong. Jesus, the Son of God, second person of the Godhead, went into Hades. And remained there three days! Then God the Father raised Him from the dead, because it was impossible that He should be held. "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it." God bless |
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587 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83248 | ||
To believe it was merely a physical death would have to mean that Jesus the God speprated from Jesus the man at the cross and Hesus the man descended into Hades. His physical body remained in the tomb until God raised Him. Isaiah 53:9 And HE made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in HIS death; because he had done no violence, nither was any deceit in HIS mouth." Who was HE? Jesus the Christ, the Word, the Son of God, that made His grave with the wicked... Remember..spiritual death is not the ceasaton of existence for the spirit, but rather the seperation from the Father. For us it would be eternal seperation, for Jesus it was 3 days. Jesus declared from the cross,"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me." Whether this seperation was for a minute or three days, Jesus/God was seperated from the Father, unless you beieve Jesus did not mean what He said. Persnally I believe these Words were literal. The fact is, regardless of the extent of His death, whether the extreme physical and emotional agony He suffered up to and on the cross at Calvary or the extended suffering of lose of His eternal connection with God the Father for the brief time He was in Hades...the faith in His death and ressurrection as saviour and Lord is the gospel! Neither of these is heretic, and neither deny the trinity. To believe God the Word, Jesus endured spiritual death which was seperation from the Father for the 3 days is to truly understand the love of God and the sacrifice of Jesus, the second Person of the Godhead. Oh what a price to pay for mankind, to experience the seperation from the Father whom He had been with forever...we can't emagine or comprehend the depth of that love.. From the heart God bless fran |
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588 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83253 | ||
"'Moreover, Jesus was not dragged into hell by Satan, but instead committed His spirit to the Father (Luke 23:46) and went directly to paradise" And what is Paradise? As defined by many theologians-the holding place in HELL for the righteous dead. Right? Unless you interpret that as Heaven which would be in direct conflict with Acts 2. What say ye? 'Contrary to the teaching that Christ underwent a change of nature (into a satanic being),' To take on the sin nature as men, we die spiritually becsue our sin has seperated or severed our relationship with God, as it did with Adam. Scripture tells us Jesus was the second Adam 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." I do not see in the actual quotes anywhere above that KC or anyone here on this forum has said that to die spiritually was to become a 'demonic being'.this is another distortion of what is being taught, or should I say slanderous lie. I guess one would have to look into the 'heart' to know. Satanic beings are created fallen angels. Man in his fallen state can never be a 'fallen created angel'. For man to take on the SIN NATURE is for man be in HIS fallen state, not a 'created demonic angel. Isaiah 59:2 says, "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear." "He HIMSELF bore OUR sins in HIS OWN body on the tree." Did He bear our sins or just die for them? Scripture tells us He bore them IN HIS BODY. God bless PS I see radioman, that you are still promoting divisiveness by implying this understanding of scripture is some new doctrine created by KC, in place of Bible Study... Care to join us in discussing Acts 2 or Mark 15:34 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" |
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589 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83458 | ||
Thanks Tim, your points are well taken. Do you believe/or not that when Jesus said "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" that this is a literal statement or not? God bless |
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590 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83475 | ||
"He was treated as if He were guilty of all the sins ever committed by all who would ever believe, though He committed none. The wrath of God was exhausted on Him and the just requirement of God's law met for those for whom He died." Exactly, God bless |
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591 | J. Preston Eby? | 2 Cor 11:4 | gracefull | 82873 | ||
"I've never even heard of him but this woman on another group is spreading his doctrines like they are gospel, but it seems to be undermining the gospel to me, that's why I'm asking. I'm trying to find a way to reach her." Have you read the teachings for yourself on his web site? Everyone has a web site! If you truly want to compar your beliefs with his, go to the source. The reason I say this is because other's interpretations of teachings can vary, but before you can refute someone else's beliefs, your own convictions (why you believe what you believe) must be solid. Also remember when sharing with another who does not share your understanding...Only the Holy Spirit can change a person. We scatter seed of the Word. I would like to ask this though...when you say this doctrine is 'undermining the gospel'..what do you mean? How do you define 'gospel'and can you give us an example of this teaching undermining the gospel. We may have a little more to work with. God bless |
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592 | J. Preston Eby? | 2 Cor 11:4 | gracefull | 82906 | ||
How can a good God torture people forever? Many born-again believers have a problem with this. Scripture indicates that He made the offer, we choose. It sounds like maybe this doctrine tries to eliminate accountability. God bless |
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593 | J. Preston Eby? | 2 Cor 11:4 | gracefull | 82975 | ||
Good morning Norrie. I took a few minutes and very briefly scan-read through Mr. Eby's teaching on the subject of eternal condemnation. The predominate theme was the question concerning those who had not heard the gospel and how could a just and loving God condemn anyone who had not heard... When he 'pulled it together' to the conclusion that somehow people in Hell still had opportunity for redemption....he gave no scripture that I could see 'at a glance' to explain how those lost that did not hear the gospel were going to hear the gospel once they entered Hell. How does this lady respond to this question? Do these hear from others who are in Hell who heard, and if so, what scripture does she use to back up this idea? God bless |
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594 | J. Preston Eby? | 2 Cor 11:4 | gracefull | 82977 | ||
True..One thing we all must remember when stating that others are blind or distorting the gospel.. Most likely every single one of us is quilty of this, thus we reason together, and pray for one another(and ourselves) the prayer in Colossians "we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;" And then I like to add "And let grace keep me where I am missing it!" The Holy Spirit is the revealer of Truth. God bless, |
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595 | Why a thorn in the flesh? | 2 Cor 12:7 | gracefull | 67548 | ||
That is a very good conclusion. There is no reason to believe Paul had moved to another subject. These things would definitely buffet our flesh or carnal nature.(here Paul's was pride) | ||||||
596 | What is a generatonal curse? | Gal 1:9 | gracefull | 75769 | ||
Yosepe, Good post... God bless |
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597 | God can use woman in the ministry? | Gal 3:28 | gracefull | 92342 | ||
Hello gruvebana, 1 Corinthians 11:5 This verse indirectly addresses this question. Paul himself is saying here that indeed women were permitted to prophesy, teach, etc as long as she has a covering. The covering being the approval of her husband or pastor. Women are not to usurp their authority. Since this sounds like a contradiction to Timothy's statement in 1 Timothy 2:12, one must ask for wisdom to explain the difference. But clearly based on 1 Corinthians 11:5 women were allowed to participate in public worship and ministry. 1 Corinthians 11:5 And any woman who [publicly] prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, or comforts) when she is bareheaded dishonors her head (her husband); it is the same as [if her head were] shaved. If you go to word search and type in this topic you will probably find more discussion than you care to read. Hope this helps, God bless |
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598 | What is the Link of faith and works? | Gal 5:6 | gracefull | 70858 | ||
Hi Ed. Hope you had a blessed Christmas. You said," but (my answer) presupposes that we know what God's will is." My answer... 1 Corinthians 2:15-17 We (who are spiritual) have the mind of Christ. And also the Spirit of truth has been given to each of us to lead us and guide us into all truth. God's word is His will and when revealed to our spirit by His Spirit we will know His will. You said, " Your faith is not in God but rather in what you have determined in your mind to be what God's word says about a situation. Which may or may not be true." My answer.. 1. God's word and God are inseperable. faith in His word is faith in Him. 2. Our total purpose in life is to seek to know and do God's will. Surely we will miss Him some times and probably a lot more often when we are told we can't 'know' His will. But if we do not give up, we learn to know His voice.If we learn early in the small stuff, we will hear in the big stuff. Your hypothetical..You said "the friend gets the job back (God gives us the desires of our heart).. No...God gives us the desires of our heart when our heart is in line with His...I said...." One might say, 'I am doing the word' but the Word and faith are not mixed with love." The desire of our heart in line with the desire of His heart. Your hypothetical is somwhat confusing because you implied God gave the job back at the prayer of the friend regardless of God's will. God does not answer prayer against His will and no where have I said He does. I have said that when a child of God has received direction in their spirit by the Word and the Holy Spirit they are to act accordingly and God will give the results. You said, " Would it be better to pray God's will?" You probably meant 'God's will be done' as in 'I don't know God's will'. As i pointed out before, God did not send His Spirit and His word for us to wonder around in uncertainty, but when we are baby Christians there are times when we need to seek Godly counsel of elders, but we should be maturing in our personal relationship that we learn to hear for ourselves. No, I believe it is better to learn to hear God directing you through life by His word and by His Spirit. I can't really respond to your hypothetical because there are too many unanswered issues such as.. 1. Is this person mature in the Lord and familiar with the voice of the Holy Spirit? Because if they were listening they would have heard God's direction. 2. It is more likely that someone who does not believe they can hear from God to be fooled by the enemy. Here is a jobless person facing all type of fears and oppression not knowing God's will and maybe not knowing God would direct him, trying to place his faith in circumstances...the job becoming available again. How can that be better than hearing from the Holy Spirit? Scripturally we are directed to seek to know God's will/word and obey by faith. God does not fail, we fail. Our culture does not want to tell our children that they are wrong. Our culture does not want to injure our children to 'compete' because they may lose. Let me say this in closing. We as God's children may miss the mark occasionally, we may listen to the wrong spiritual voice sometimes, but the Word assures us that if we continue to seek, we will find, if we continue to knock it will be opened, if we ask, we shall receive...and that He will hold us up. When we stop believing God in one point, that unbelief begins to contaminate all the Word in our lives. We are competing with an enemy who does seek to steal, kill and destroy so if we do not contend in faith in God's word, the enemy will steal it all. God Bless |
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599 | Please explain Phil 4:19 | Phil 4:19 | gracefull | 70180 | ||
Hello brother Ray. I was quoting from the King James. There is one misquote... I said " his divine power hath MADE" rather than "his divine power hath given". Other than that all seems well. I believe new believers should be introduced to the fact that they are called and chosen for a purpose early in their walk. The course of their life has now changed, and that they are now in a relationship with the Father and Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Then as they learn and grow in that 'relationship' they will be concious of a higher purpose. Being connected to the vine is our life source and the supply of all our needs for the furtherance and growth of the body. We are family! Thanks for your post.. God Bless! |
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600 | mystery hidden from foundation of world! | Col 3:4 | gracefull | 88351 | ||
Hi Tim, I pulled the Amplified version for a clearer picture... Philemon 1:6 [And I pray] that the participation in and sharing of your faith may produce and promote full recognition and appreciation and understanding and precise knowledge of every good [thing] that is ours in [our identification with] Christ Jesus [and unto His glory]. Actually it says that as we communicate our 'faith' a deeper revelation of Christ's provision to us/ a deeper revelation of Christ IN us...our life... 2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the SAME IMAGE from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. This is how I see it. God bless |
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