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501 | Putting 2 and 2 together | Rom 14:12 | gracefull | 89635 | ||
"Let me add something to what Graceful said. The people wanted a king. Why? Not for the reason they stated to be like everyone else. They wanted to deal with a human rather than God. Why? God deals in absolutes while man's reasoning can be clouded to see situations. Their hope was with a king they could justify their actions rather than have them scrutinize by a perfect God speaking in absolutes." AMEN! "They wanted to apply their situational ethics to God’s mandate thou shall not murder. People don’t read the Bible because they don’t want God messing with their situational ethics." AMEN AMEN! God Bless |
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502 | "fear of finding truth"? | Rom 14:12 | gracefull | 89707 | ||
The words ignorant or stupid convey a message of extreme vulnerability which we do not like to acknowledge. Sort of like someone poking you in the ribs from behind. At least that's probably some responses. If we believe we are seeking the Lord and His wisdom at our best, then someone comes along and speaks of ignorance and stupidity, our first response would be..I am doing my best!...But it is really not about doing our best but more about remembering we are fallible, and we always need to stay humble in our search for truth! Then we KNOW despite all our 'revelation', we still only have minischule UNDERSTANDING of HIM. These are my thoughts, God bless |
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503 | Are we Stupid or Lazy? Our Soul at stak | Rom 14:12 | gracefull | 89881 | ||
Hi George, We all are definitely still growing...You weren't wrongexcept to try to put all in the same box. Our wonderful Lord recognizes all our differences and trains each of us as only a/THE wise Father can, and in accordance to the gifts and calling He has given each of us. God bless |
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504 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | gracefull | 75901 | ||
1 Corinthians 14:13-14 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. One is to pray for the understanding of their prayer language. Your statement "..seeing uneducated people spout gibberish..." brings two points to mind... 1. The language is Holy Spirit given, one does not need an education...Why would you say such a thing? 2. How do you know it is gibberish? It could very well be their prayer language and in their spiritual immaturity don't understand how to speak quietly to God. One other point, I have heard (and spoken through) the gift of tongues and the interpretation did not come forth. When God unctions a prophetic utterance there is always an interpreter, however for a variety of reasons the interpreter may not obey. Points to pray about... God bless |
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505 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | gracefull | 75995 | ||
Thank for your clarification. Our culture in America is often one of arrogance through 'much learning'. To clarify the statement 'uneducated' by using the term spiritually immature. Also keep in mind that the GIFT of tongues (prophetic message from the Holy Spirit to be followed by interpretation in the congregation) is not the same thing as tongues to be used in private worship and prayer. Although I do not take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one MUST speak in tongues, I rather take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one can speak in tongues (prayer language available to all). My position is from the opposite side of the same coin...If one IS Spirit filled they CAN speak in tongues, pray in the Spirit between them and God, and as Paul said should ask for the interpretation. From this positive perspective, why would one reject this precious gift? Tongues as with anything else we receive from God must be received by faith..faith denoting belief AND action. I think this is the "try to force the gift" idea. Often full gospel believers will try to help those seeking to understand that although the ability to speak in tongues is present becuase the Holy Spirit is present, they must speak, they must step out by faith ant their vocal cords and brain is involved. You asked if I spoke in public...Yes. When I was first 'filed with the Spirit and spoke in tongues' I was taught properly in praying quietly or in my prayer closet. About 10 years later the Lord impressed that He had given me the GIFT of tongues, and when the Holy spirit desires to speak the 'unction' is different. Since this is 'experience' and not scripture, it is inappropriate for this forum. If you would like to continue a conversation elsewhere, let me know. God bless |
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506 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74111 | ||
Ephesians 4 is a continuation of chapter 2. Remove chapter and verse and read the entire letter. 4:10 reads..He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things. 11And he gave some, apostles: and some prophets: and some, evangelists: and some, postors and teachers: for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Again I see 1.Christ ascended and this followed. "And since their job was to lay the foundation for the church, their job is complete. Teacher, Pastors, and Evangelists are called to build on that foundation." 2. The work of the ministry, edifying of the body, perfecting of the saints fall under the entire list, therefore the statement that apostles were solely for the purpose of 'establishing the foundation' can't be correct. I do agree Paul states that they (apostles and prophets) established the foundation but it does not state that that was their total and only purpose. Since chapter 4 indicates otherwise I view this conclusion as an assumption. Especially since two other scriptures refute this conclusion. God bless |
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507 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74119 | ||
1. Acts 1:21-26 Yes these apostles claimed to be eyewitnesses...and no doubt were. They wer specifically chosen men for a specific purpose.. 2. Acts 5:32 Yes they chose a replacement who had been with them from them beginning (actually God chose but they cast lots) 3. I do not clearly see why this promotes your case. Luke says I am going to draw up my own record in the same manner as those handed down by the eyewitnesses. Luke's gospel surely is a prevalent as John's and he was not an apostle. He says nothing here regarding the office of apostle. 4. 1 Cor.9:1 Again, I have not said the apostles were not eyewitnesses. 5. 1 Cor 15:8 Yes Christ appeared to them all... " Remember that Paul used the example of building a building so we can understand this. " So based on your reasoning we see this... You are basing your entire conclusion on the structure of this passage. Paul indeed is speaking of the body of Christ the church having their foundational teaching as the baseline, held together by Christ Jesus. As I said read on to chapter 4 and explain why, if Paul was saying the apostles were the foundation, (as you concluded that was the end of apostleships) continue his letter and included apostles as necessary for the perfecting of the saints, edifying of the body, and work of the ministry? And he included apostles in his teaching to the Corinthians and in neither of these passages is there any indication that the office will be terminated. Again although as you stated and I do not disagree, the first aposltles were eyewitnesses and documented the events of our Lord's birth, life, death and resurrection, thus the scriptures. But according to Ephesians 4 and 1 Cor. 12 the office was not not eliminated, it is established, along with pastors, teachers, evangelist, and prophets... God bless God bless |
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508 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74120 | ||
Can you give me a scriptural definition of a 'pastor' or an 'evangelist'? I do not see any scriptural qualifications specified. The church organizations have defined these positions. Your question concerning the apostles being alive does answer the question being discussed. |
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509 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74188 | ||
I believe your statement is based on your predetermined conclusion. Just as there are those who say there are no 'miracles' or 'gifts of the spirit' in operation today. If I believe they have ceased, I will not accept the testimony or witness of those who believe and operate in the gifts. Each time you and I talk, you insist on having the discussion based on 'belief' rather than scripture, then get made at me when I use scripture to explain my beliefs. Why is that? |
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510 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74189 | ||
According to Ephesians all the listed offices, or callings, are to equip the saints. Justme was the one who asked for a definition or description of the office of apostle. My response was pointing out that there is no definition specifically defining apostle any more than there is one assigned to pastor or evangelist. Following your train of thought I reviewed Ephesians 2-4 and 1 Corinthians 12-14 and came to this conclusion. Correct me if I am misunderstanding you. If apostles have ceased so have prophets, as both are the 'foundation'. So do you interpret 1 Corinthians 14:28-30 speaking of prophets only of the first church and when these died, the office went away? |
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511 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74190 | ||
A delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders. a specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ. b. in a broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers. 1. Barnabas 2. Timothy I submit that there most likely are 'God called apostles' today but because traditional church government does not acknowledge the office are defined by other titles. The title does not preceed the calling. The same Greek word in Ephesians is used in 1 Corinthians. Here is my conclusion.. The 'foundation of the prophets and apostles is the Word, the testimony, the Spirit revealed truth, and not the apostles themselves. They were the vessels chosen to carry the word, the messengers. The Word of God is our foundation and Jesus is the chief cornerstone. God bless. |
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512 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74215 | ||
Matthew Henry says:" Inv. 20 the church is compared to a building. The apostles and prophets are the foundation of the building. They may be so called in a secondary sense, Christ himself being the primary foundation: but we are rather to understand it of the doctrine delivered by the prophetsof the Old Testament and the apostles of the New." This is my understanding and I now see that Matthew Henry viewed it the same way. John Wesley:" And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets-As the foundation sustains the building, so the word of God, declared by the apostles and prophets, sustains the faith of all believers. God laid the foundation of them but Christ himself is the chief corner-stone of the foundation. Elsewhere he is termed the foundation. 1 Cor. 3:11 Both of these renown commentators believe Paul is speaking of Old Testament prophets and the New testament apostles, and the foundation is the WORD, not the men or their calling. I do not see any reason (in context) to believe Paul is using both Apostles and Prophets in reference to the 12 (13 if you count Paul). And nor do I see any proof in text that this went away because your conclusion is based on this one scripture and your interpretation of that scripture. Your sister in Christ Jesus, Thank you for the information, and I will continue to keep this in mind during my studies. God bless |
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513 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74218 | ||
Justme, as I said, each time you try to engage me in a conversation your attitude and lack of scripture disturb me. If you want to discuss scripture which is my source of my beliefs. If I believe based on opinion of others, or experience my belief is not faith based. My faith is in God's word, not in what I see or understand with my carnal intellect. Justme, when I came to the Lord I came with the total understanding that He is all there is.He is all wisdom, He is all understanding, all love. I did not come from a 'religious' background so there wer no preconceived ideas about God. I came offering myself as a blank page for Him to write upon..I have very little ego or self confidence but I am bold in the Lord. Why would I discuss experience or judge someone else's calling? No justme...it's all about God's word and His Holy Spirit. May God bless you with spiritual insight into what I just said. |
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514 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74223 | ||
Me too! Thanks! I will review your info, as well. God bless you! |
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515 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 74225 | ||
I tend to agree in a sense, the 12 thrones and twelve tribes and 12 disciples would indicate you may be correct. But I have never went before the Lord on this and the scirpture in Acts 1:24 "You, Lord, who knows the hearts of men, show which of these You have chosen." There is no reason to believe God did not answer that prayer. But I have no assurance of this matter either way so I will just leave it with the Lord for the time being. Gob bless my brother, PS I did hesitate and wonder for a moment when I typed that 12 apostles (13 if you count Paul) |
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516 | The "DIVINE ORDER" ? | 1 Cor 1:1 | gracefull | 75130 | ||
I was not overlooking this fact. It was addressed in another post. But not that I review the question of 'Divine Order', you are correct. God Christ Man Wife Children |
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517 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | gracefull | 81503 | ||
Are we purhaps looking for carnal unity? In the marriage unity sometimes has to be achieved by submission of the wife, and not necessarily agreement. If a husband and wife can't come to perfect agreement, how could we expect millions and millions of believers? I believe we must focus on the fact that we are one in the Spirit unified by the Holy spirit into one body despite our differences as long as Jesus is the foundation of our faith. Purhaps we should stop viewing various denominataios as 'different' and view them rather as brethren in One Body with some differing views. When we see Jesus instead of looking through a glass darkly, we will all see all things clearly. I do agree that there is only ONE Truth and that God's Word is not open for various interpretations. And we should be able to reason together, but until the Holy Spirit CHANGES someone's understanding, they are not likely to change. Beliefs do not change with intelectual knowledge. Beliefs must be changed by the Holy Spirit. That is how I view this matter, God bless |
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518 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | gracefull | 81575 | ||
I guess the difference is whether you think the differences of beliefs or differences of interpretation is the point of division and disunity or whether our attitude TOWARD a differing brother or sister is the point of disunity. I believe the love of God can keep us unified in spirit with differing brothers and sisters and keeps us humble and teachable. I believe unity can be maintained even when there are differences if our foundational doctrines are the same. And that foundation should be Jesus Christ (God come to earth in the form of man to suffer the penalty of death-sinless sacrifice- for all mankind so that through repentance and acceptance of Him we will be saved.)This is the truth that births us into the kingdom of God by the Holy Spirit. Unity in the rest must come through study, prayer, and development. None of us are at the same level and therefore none of us will ever agree on every detail,(until we stand face to face with Jesus and have our spiritual eyes totally opened) but if we seek to keep Godly love connecting us there will be communication and opportunity for growth. God bless |
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519 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | gracefull | 81577 | ||
"In fact it states that a christian's conscience may be bound to Scripture alone." Dear John...I have great respect for the wisdom of this statement. Because when believers 'commit' to a church body and it's doctrines, and obey because they have committed and not because they agree, who are they serving? This statement allows them them liberty to seek truth and grow, rather than box them in. And we should all be steadily growing.... God bless |
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520 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | gracefull | 81578 | ||
"Our divisions are a direct result of our own sinful natures. We think our doctrines are perfect, and we get puffed up by our knowledge. Then one day... God decides to pop our bubble." Amen! |
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