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461 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | gracefull | 80423 | ||
"And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who [Heb 7:19] comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." Ed...I have studied the WOF teaching and this is a lie... Our faith is in the covenant of blood through Jesus Christ our Lord and God's Word. The word faith (depending on which translation you choose) is used 550 times. Every promise, beginning with our salvation must be received by faith....Justified by faith...righteous by faith...healed by faith....delivered by faith... Absolutely nothing provided through the new covenant can be received except through faith which worketh by love... I pointed out to you on other posts where Hank LIED in his book and you still defend his book and call it TRUTH. I suppose as long as there are only a few lies...it is still a reputable book. |
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462 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80289 | ||
Ed Part 1 I have tried to manipulate this post into two because it exceeds the limit. Part 2 will apear before part 1 if this works. Forgive me for not being real accurate with this effort. "The reason the people that were righteous before Christ did not go directly to God is they still had unforgiven sin in the their lives." Correct...they still had unforgiven sin because the blood of animals could not redeem them. They died looking ofr the promise...But until the redeemer was provided they were bound by the grave. Hebrews 2 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. "Mediums deal with familiar spirits, demons that know the past and present. They don’t know the future. Satan doesn’t know the future." I would have to say this is an assumption at this point, a common teaching but not necessarily based on scripture because the scripture in 1 Samuel says the medium called Samuel and Samuel knew the future because he states to Saul what he had stated to him in life.. " Why ask me, if ADONAI has left you and become your enemy? ADONAI has done for himself what he foretold through me- ADONAI has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to your fellow countryman David....Adonai is giving Israel as wel as yourself over to the power of the Philistines...and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The reason I see your statement as an assumption is these scriptures clealy say the medium called Samuel and Samuel told Saul.. so odviously this medium did not call a 'familiar' spirit. If we stay with these scriptures in context we have to acknowledge the odvious. In other scriptures concerning mediums, does God say the 'can't' or does he simply forbid asking them? "When Jesus cast out the demon from the demonic they asked to go into the pigs." No doubt Jesus has authority over Satan and He gave us His authority to use His name thus giving us authority. And a sinner when he invokes the name of Jesus in repentance then is born again thus by faith in the promise..defeating Satan. "If they had known the future they would have known the pigs would race of the cliff and die. Instead they thought they were buying time until they could find another body to inhabit." I agree, Satan is not omniscient. He does not know all things. If he had known he would not have crucified the King of Glory..But again, you are speaking to the conflicting belief that the medium called a familiar spirit and not Samuel himself who did know. "When God brought forth Samuel the medium was stunned she had never had a righteous person appear before more importantly she never had any spirit tell the future." This is not what scripture says. "When the woman saw Samuel she let out a shriek." Why? "Then the woman said to Saul,'Why have you deceived me? You yourself are Saul!' This woman was affraid for her life, as she had also stated when Saul first came to her in verse 9. |
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463 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80288 | ||
Part 2 "Why did God choose to do it this way I don’t know." God ceased speaking to Saul. Saul chose to seek out the medium...did God know what he would do? Surely...did God tell him to do it? No Did God bring Samuel back? Scripture says the medium called him back. Would God use a medium forbidden by Himself? No... "But I do know Satan can not bring people back from the dead. He might deceive someone into thinking he can by letting you see one of his demons or an apparition, but this passage says Samuel appeared not an apparition." As my husband and I discussed this evening when discussing this chapter in 1 Samuel...when scripture clashes with our beliefs we have two choices, submit our beliefs to the Holy Spirit for correction or disallow the scripture. Your belief that Satan had no authority clashes with the fact that in scripture a woman under demonic authority called back one from the dead and this one from the dead did indeed speak of the future. But a sinner when they are in their sin are under Satan's jurisdiction. When Jesus died and went to Abraham's bosom and preached, Samuel no doubt believed and the authority was broken, but until then he was held captive to death and hell. My conclusion: 1 Samuel clearly states that Saul went to the medium because God has ceased to speak to him. The medium was forbidden by God so God would not have spoken through or used the medium because His own Word forbade it.(For God to violate His own law would make Him a sinner) so the authority the medium used must have been from Satan. The medium called forth Samuel (not an aparition or a familiar spirit). Samuel spoke to Saul reaffirming that God had stripped him of his kingdom and that he and his sons would die the next day. Colossians 2:9-10 "For in Him (Messiah), bdily, lives the fullness of all that god is. And it is in union with Him that you have been made full-He is the head of every rule and authority." In union with Him...we are the body and He is the head, and Satan is under the feet! Out of union with Him? You decide... God bless |
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464 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80270 | ||
radioman No doubt all authority is from God...but denial of delegated authority does not disagree with this..Nor does it at any time not acknowledge God as final authority.... God's final authority is not in question as you and Ed seem to believe. |
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465 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80269 | ||
Hi Nicholson... In reading the post from #7801 All the explanations seem to lack scriptural soundness. 1. Denies that souls can be summoned. However, here scripture gives no statement or even leaves room for assumption that this is not real and that Samuel did not actually come forth. A lying wonder 2 The second view states that this was a denomic spirit impersonating Samuel. This too is an unscriptural assumption. (based on context) 3.God allowed Samuel to come forth through the medium... Let's clarify one thing here...a medium is someone who summons spirits to embody them...Saul did not see Samuel on the medium who had Samuel's conciousness... She screeched because she recognized Saul and thought he was going to kill her. Were there other instances where mediums satanic powers are verified? None of the 'possibilities' allow for Satan actually having authority due to the fall of Adam yet scripture here seems to leave no other possible conclusion. Do you have more scripture I can use to study this issue deeper? All input appreciated..I will leave for awhile but will be back soon. God bless |
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466 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80255 | ||
And if Satan had control why did he allow the spirit to give God's message not one of his own like "Saul your doing great! Your showing God who is in control." Good question....my response would be that Samuel would not lie. This was Samuel, not some denomic imitation. But you bring up an interesting point..If Satan had authority to bring up Samuel's soul but not to control his words... "Before Jesus when a person died his soul went to Hades either to the hot dry side or to Abraham's bosom just as God desired not Satan. After Jesus the unrighteous still do to the hot dry place while we go to be with the Lord again just as God desires." I agree, but if they were not under Satan's domain why did they not simply go to heaven? Why did they have to go to the holding place? Was it because they were still seperated from God by sin? "Your example of the donkey doesn't encourage us to go talk to donkey's so why say it would encourage us to use mediums." My point was more to the fact that God would not do something he forbade us to do. He had options that did not violate His Word. God would not use a medium because He would be contradicting His own command. He would have used some/any other source rather than violate His own Word. "God often uses things that aren't in agreement with Him to accomplish His will. God used a whore Rahab, He used liar and deceiver Jacob. God even used a dying theif hanging on a cross to show us His mercy." Your use of these as examples tells me that you do not understand. God did not 'prostitue' Himself with a prostitute, God did not 'lie' with Jacob, and God was not a sinner dying on the cross. All these people acted on truth...Rahab assisted God's men by faith and her life was spared, Jacob obeyed God's commands and led Israel to victory in the Promised Land, the sinner repented...and was forgiven. The spiritist was not acting in obedience to God but was committing a grave act against Him. " 'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God. (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 19 In context: Leviticus 19:30-32) Leviticus 20:6 " 'I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people. (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 20 In context: Leviticus 20:5-7) Leviticus 20:27 " 'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.' " (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 20 In context: Leviticus 20:26-28) Deuteronomy 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. (Whole Chapter: Deuteronomy 18 In context: Deuteronomy 18:10-12) [Lev 18:21; 2 Kin 16:3; 17:17] He made his son pass through the fire, [Lev 19:26, 31; Deut 18:10-14] practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD provoking Him to anger. (Whole Chapter: 2 Kings 21 In context: 2 Kings 21:5-7) 2 Kings 23:24 Moreover, Josiah removed [Lev 19:31; 2 Kin 21:6] the mediums and the spiritists and the [Gen 31:19 mg] teraphim and [2 Kin 21:11, 21] the idols and all the abominations that were seen in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, [Deut 18:10-22] that he might confirm the words of the law which were written [2 Kin 22:8] in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD. (Whole Chapter: 2 Kings 23 In context: 2 Kings 23:23-25) 1 Chronicles 10:13 [1 Sam 13:13, 14; 15:23] So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the LORD, because of the word of the LORD which he did not keep; and also [Lev 19:31; 20:6; 1 Sam 28:7] because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it, (Whole Chapter: 1 Chronicles 10 In context: 1 Chronicles 10:12-14) 2 Chronicles 33:6 [2 Chr 28:3] He made his sons pass through the fire in the valley of Ben-hinnom; and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced sorcery and [Lev 19:31; 20:27] dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger. (Whole Chapter: 2 Chronicles 33 In context: 2 Chronicles 33:5-7) And many more....God cannot give commandment then violate it Himself, because violating His commands is sin and He cannot sin. God bless |
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467 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80232 | ||
"As we all know, Satan is not the warden down in hell, running the place." Paraphrase 'Satan in not the warden living in hell, and running the earth.' Is this a correct rendering of your statement? If so my response is this.... How do you describe principalities, powers, and the rulers of darkness... Yes indeed Colossians states that all were created by God for His purpose...but that does not mean they do not have delegated authority. Odviously they do because it was necessary to 'deliver us from their dominion'. God bless |
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468 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80231 | ||
'Some believe the witch worked a miracle by demonic powers and actually brought Samuel back from the dead. In support of this view, there are certain passages that seem to indicate that demons have the power to perform lying signs and wonders (Matt. 7:22; 2 Cor. 11:14; 2 Thess. 2:9-10; Rev. 16:14). This view is unlikely, since Scripture also reveals that death is final (Hebrews 9:27), the dead cannot return (2 Samuel 12:23 and Luke 16:24-27), and demons cannot usurp or overpower God's authority over life and death (Job 1:10-12). 1.Demons cannot usurp God's authority, which is why one must ask by whose authority did this medium call up Samuel? 2. 2 Samuel 12 23 "But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? (1) I will go to him, but (2) he will not return to me." This is speaking of raising the dead not calling back the spirit of someone...however, since Jesus did raise the dead, we know that dead can indeed be raised. 26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' What is this 'chism' or gulf dividing? Bothe the rich man and Lazurus are dead. When the rich man asks Lazurus about sending someone to his living relatives the response is that they will not hear even one from the dead. Neither of these verses substantiate the statement that the dead CAN'T be called back. I will have to post a Part 2 and Part 3 in discussing the other two interpretations. This is a good discussion now. Thank you radioman for bringing the discussion back to Biblical comparisons! There is hope for the forum! God bless |
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469 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80228 | ||
Yes, I realized later that radioman had responded. Yesterday my attentions were divided and that is not a good time to get into a 'deep' discussion. Forgive me for the error. I do not agree with your conclusion because 1.God could have spoken to Saul through other prophets,(or a donkey) scripture says Saul sought this. 2. For God to choose to use a medium which He has forbidden places Him in the position of compromiseing His word and also would make the statement that He communicates through mediums encouraging people to seek them out. This would be a violation of God's own command NOT to seek mediums. The medium was not a prophet of God, but rather a servant of Satan at the time. Whether she turned or not later is not stated. This occcurance clearly conveys the message that Satan had authority to beckon souls from the dead because they were still under his jurisdiction due to the fall of Adam. Although they died in faith, until Jesus redeemed them, they were held captive. God bless |
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470 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80222 | ||
Hi Ed. "Hint he was to watch over the garden." Genesis 1 26 Then God said, "Let (1) Us make (2) man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them (3) rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Ed, the scripture in Colossians 1:13 says He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transfeed us into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Acts 26:18 "...I am sending you to open the eyes; so that they will turn from the power (jurisdiction, authority) of the Adversary to God.." Ephesians 1:21 "..far above principalities and powers..." We are looking at 'delegation' not usurping authority. God's supremacy is not, nor has ever been in question, but He by covenant has delegated His people to rise above the authority(dominion) of Satan. From verse 13 of Colossians it would seem that before Jesus, all mankind was held captive by Satan through our sin nature. In light of this when did man come under Satan's dominion and NEED a redeemer if not at the fall of Adam? Let me ask you...Where did the dead in faith go before Jesus was raised from the dead? No doubt they died 'in faith' awaiting the promise...Yeshua! Our sin nature made us subject to Satan. Jesus' redemptive work transfered us from Satan's kingdom to the Kingdom of God. Unfortunately, many of God's people's lives are stil captive to Satan through his lies(not captive from eternal life, but captive from deliverance and victory in this life)not realizing Jesus has already delivered them. AGAIN: God's supremacy is not, nor has ever been in question, but He by covenant has delegated His people to rise above the authority(dominion) of Satan. God has NEVER not been final authority, and by His final authority He provided His covenant. Neither Satan nor man can undo the covenant God made. Man can reject it...but man can not undo it. As I sated when I first came to the forum...God IN His sovereignty established covenants (with conditions to be met by both parties) with man from Adam to us(through Jesus) and He honors His covenant with His life to all that enter in through the blood by faith. God bless |
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471 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80159 | ||
Thank you Ed. I will have to print these and review. Purhaps tonight or tomorrow I can get back to you.. What is your view of Samuel being called back by the medium? Your input may help our Bible study. God bless |
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472 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80152 | ||
Hi Ed, At this point I retract my statement that Satan had authoritity on the earth before Adam. And will do more research before returning to this thread to post my conclusion. However, on the statement that Adam surrendered authority to Satan has much scriptural basis, and that Jesus the Christ took back the keys to death, hell and the grave and gave authority to men is the Gospel. But I do not have time to address them at the moment. The scripture already posted will have to suffice for now. To narrow the field of discussion, what is your view? God bless |
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473 | Bible lied? | Matt 13:55 | gracefull | 80144 | ||
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474 | Bible lied? | Matt 13:55 | gracefull | 80133 | ||
Hi Emmaus...Purhaps I missed the addressing of Matthew 1:25 in the above report. If so, would you be so kind as to copy and past that protion? "As the lone Catholic (I think)on this forum, I am not going to try and do battle with everyone else on every disputed point of doctrine. That is not my purpose for being here." I understand this position, as I too am somewhat 'alone' here. But being challenged has presented opportunity for me to hear other perspectives, go back to scripture and reafirm between myself and the Holy Spirt what the truth is. We must remain both teachable and teach. Thank you and God bless |
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475 | Bible lied? | Matt 13:55 | gracefull | 80131 | ||
Joh 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Was it, though maybe uncommon,proper for the firstborn to designate who would care for the mother? God bless |
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476 | Bible lied? | Matt 13:55 | gracefull | 80129 | ||
I wonder...How does one know these other 'brother' or brethren are not brothers (same mother and father)? Does scripture explain their actual lineage? In the new covenant, the scriptures speaking of Jesus brothers and sisters makes no such clarification...so any conclusion such as the one here is scriptureally unsubstantiated. When scripture in context speaks of brothers as 'brethren or other relationships' it clearly establishes this fact either in the context or in other scripture. Dear Emmaus...this was not the question I asked. I asked about Matthew 1:25 where scripture states that Joseph knew not Mary UNTIL.... Joseph kept Mary a virgin UNTIL.... God bless |
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477 | Was a Prophet Raised up at this time? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80051 | ||
Only that I failed to capitalize the 'g' in God. I try to be particular about that. |
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478 | Medium summons Samuel? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80029 | ||
Thank you csmith.. You bring up a good point to discuss. Was the medium simply a tool God used to deliver the message? Possibly, but that raises some other questions. 1. Earlier verses and even Samuel comments that God was silent to Saul due to his disobedience. Saul sought the medium because God would not speak to him (through any of the prophets). If God had wanted to speak to Saul, He could have spoke to him through a prophet, not a medium. 2. Saul did not say to Saul the God was speaking to him, but reaffirmed that God was not going to talk to Saul, but Samuel knew Saul's fate and shared it with him. Thanks for your thoughts. God bless |
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479 | Bible lied? | Matt 13:55 | gracefull | 80017 | ||
Matthew 1:25 Emmaus, I join Samantha, Tim and Johnny in asking how you interpret this verse? God bless |
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480 | Do we need to ask for "gifts" ? | 1 Cor 12:31 | gracefull | 79838 | ||
Love is eternal because God is love and god is eternal and we are in God so we are eternal in love. The gifts are for the work of God by the Holy Spirit through believers to provide the supernatural deliverance needed to overcome our enemy Satan and to demonstrate to the world the love of God. God's love provided the gifts and God's love must be present for the gifts to operate and they are temporal because whe Christ comes and Satan is bound, there wil be no need for them. There wil be no sickness, there will be no demons to discern, we will not need prophesy because God will speak to us directly...face to face... But as long as our enemy is loose, we need the supernatural working of the Holy spirit through the gifts and the Word of God to walk in the liberty He provided. He is a supernatural being and must be dealt with accordingly. God bless |
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