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261 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89368 | ||
I did not say I was not one who adheres to some to the teachings, I said I am not a member of such a WOF organization of any sort. God bless |
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262 | Is God omnipotent? | John 3:16 | gracefull | 89361 | ||
"The 'God is limited' arguement is a strawman my friend. Obviously, God can place limitations upon Himself. Does Phil. 2:6-11 ring any bells? Did Christ become less God because He took upon Himself the limitations of humanity?" Excellent point...it is hard for us to imagine that God, the creator of the universe would place Himself under covenant obligations to man...He certainly did not have to tell Abraham that if he would leave his father's land that He would bless him...He could have just said..LEAVE OR DIE! God bless |
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263 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | gracefull | 89355 | ||
New Creature, I had not really researched the word washed before but it is interesting.. 3068 It is louo and means..to bathe, wash as a dead person, or washing of wounds. The Greek Word used in 1 Corinthians 6:11 is apolou which is a combination of #575 and #3068 Seperated and washed as a dead person or cleansing of wounds. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. What do you think about this? Good question, by the way. What other key words do you see? God bless |
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264 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89354 | ||
"Subject: special revelation vs general revelation Note: Graceful It wasn't me that declared Word of Faith Cultic. It was men and women charged by God that examined the doctrine and teachings of Word of Faith that declared it a cult." So were the Pharasees. " I of course knowing what I know about Word of Faith and how it keeps it's members in line I also see as a cult." I am not a WOF 'member'. All denominations have their 'tactics'. God bless |
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265 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89353 | ||
"You never address the real issue. You rightly said You will never let experience judge God's word. Okay where does God's word say if we have enough faith we will never die? Because in effect that is what your saying. If you have enough faith you can overcome anything even physical death since physical death is caused by disease. I would just like to see that in scripture." 1. The SUBJECT of the thread was revelation knowledge... 2.I am not at all clear as to when it turned to 'never dying'. I am guessing you speaking of physical death. Neither I nor WOF (the ones I listen too) say our physical body never dies, but rather that we can 'go to sleep'when our work is done, and one does not have to be sick to die. Here is another example of the false assumptions placed on what I believe. You keep saying I don't talk scripture to you, you have never provided a false scripture however you do take a single scripture and use it to base your point. I think we will both agree this nation is committing great harlotry in it's desire for personal pleasure going as far as aborting babies when they are inconvenient. I could then take this passage "Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry And children of harlotry, For the land has committed great harlotry By departing from the Lord." And say every true believer should marry a whore. Is the scripture a lie? No! Does this not fit the situation? Yes! Well what is wrong why can't we assume that all men should go marry a whore. The fact that God was talking to Hosea in Hosea 1:2 and not setting church doctrine. A come back is God is not a respecter of persons so if he said it to Hosea He is saying it to me. That is not the case, God spoke directly to Hosea for him to do something it simply does not apply to us today. I understand taking scripture out of context and making a doctrine out of it. That has been done with the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Gifts for centuries. I said when a single scripture is being discussed in it's context we should not say it does not say what it clearly says or refuse to discuss it because we are affread of where it may take us. I also did not say you never discuss scripture with me, I said when a threads should not turn personal. And the discussion should not be 'tossed out' by accusations of heresy. the Pharasees did that to Jesus often when they did not want to hear what He was saying. When that happens, we should move on. The only reason I am still talking to you is 1. the thread has bee restricted so it's just you and me, and because I would really like for us to get to the place where you stop trying to read my posts and determine where I am going and head me off at the pass. "Your right God rewards and honors our faith and without faith it is impossible to please God. However misdirected faith is as bad as no faith at all. When we try to use our faith to manipulate God into giving us what we want we are in effect saying we know what is right better than you God. Isn't that what spoiled children do and say. God isn't raising spoiled children he is raising princes and princess, royal people, a holy nation." It was in WOF that I first heard the 'concept' that the Word of God is the uncompromised will of God. And that faith was the avenue God initiated for receiving His promises....And if our desires line up with His will...so be it. The parting so to speak seems to take place when we say God can illuminate His personla will to each individual and when He does, we must stand at all cost. As children of a rich Father, we are inclined to ask amiss alot, but the good news is that you should not worry about that because when we ask amiss, He does not answer! He is the Father, we are all children, learning and maturing under His guidance by the Holy Spirit. "You have never been unfairly treated nor have you been attacked. What has been attacked is your refusal to seek the truth, to read what I and others have asked you to read, to reexamine the teachers that have gave you the teachings you carry." "Do not declare your abuse, declare you refusal to seek the truth! And yes I will continue to warn others of your cultic teachings." I believe my statement to Tim was not to use teachers' names who some here consider heretics. It will cause the thread to break down... This thread is now proof positive that I was correct. Ed, I am tired of repeating myself only to have you turn around and repeat it back incorrectly...I am done with this conversation. God bless |
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266 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89343 | ||
Dear Tim, I respect all your educaional background Tim and I also have respected the manner in which you respond scripturally to discussions. In light of the observations I made regarding the message of the verses I stated...do you see the suttle difference in the way they were used? I saw a distinct difference. I see, at least in the verses you used, a difference between 'spoken' words and 'spiritually understood' words. While we know God's Word is spiritually conveyed through the writers, we also know that without spiritual enlightenment the cannot change anyone. There are well educated theologians who are masters with the Greek and Hebrew, who are totally blind to the 'TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL'. I am in no wise saying YOU are so please don't think that. I do not doubt your heart toward God! God bless |
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267 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89338 | ||
As I said earlier, to be baited is to have personal slanders and accusations used in place of a scriptural discussion distracting from the topic, and therefore creating a hinderance to those who come to the forum to study. God bless |
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268 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89337 | ||
"You have refused to investigate the subject yourself and have ignored everything I and the others have tried to show you. Have you even made an effort to read the books I have suggested? No! I'll tell you why, because others have told you not to read anything that might steal your faith." Since this is a Bible Study forum I will merely respond with two statements. 1. I am a Child of God, born again, Spirit filled, bough by the blood of Jesus Christ my savior and Lord, the Son of God and also God the second person of the trinity. Though my beliefs differ from yours on the PROVISIONS OF THE ATONEMENT makes me in no wise a CULT or a heretic, nor does it make any of the teachers who disagree with you on this topic. My second statement is 1 Corinthians 4:2-4 2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. God bless |
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269 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89328 | ||
Thank you Ed, But my point to Tim was that often threads that start going in the direction of personal statments and lean away from scripture often become distractive, and unfruitful. They tend to go off an tangeants that distract from the original topic. I see this, in the context of communication, as being baited..distracted from the topic by statements that cause us to think we need to 'defend' ourselves or others. I believe after a year on the forum that this is the main reason threads become restricted. I have seen very lengthy threads on topics with many varying scriptural views that were not banned because we stayed away from this type of communications. Your statement pasted below is a perfect example of such a divisive attitude. Then when I asked you to clarify your opinion based on the context of posts on the topic you have not done so. "Just so you know who your agreeing with as your lead by the spirit. There are many (graceful) on this forum from the Word of Faith denomination. That "denomination" teaches faith in faith. In other words if we have enough faith God HAS to do it. Word of Faith is far different than Pentecostal, Full Gospel or even Charismatic. It's teachings have been found and proven to be cultic. In that you no longer depend on God but rather on your faith." Your disagreements with my stance on scripture should be dealt with in the context of scripture, not in accusations concerning my 'affiliations'. Lawyers like to do this, "just answer my question." And we all have seen unless the judge or the opposition takes the topic past their one point the truth will never be known. What will appear to be truth supportted by evidence is not in fact true. So yes many times you have said something but you weren't baited away it was put in context to reveal the truth. If you can't see this then I guess you do feel the way you do. I'm so sorry for you." No, I defined 'baiting' above. Agreeing on the interpretaion of one scripture does not finalize the truth. However, it does make way for a true Bible study. Often the preconceived idea of what I believe causes many of you to dodge around rather than answer the post, comment on the scripture then move forward...true communication. This is 'reasoning together'. I do expect enough respect as to acknowledge the truth presented, which does not in many cases at all finalize the conclusion. Thus the use of prosecuters, defense attornyes, cross examination and often a jury! But is is necessary for some hard questions to be presented, such as "Does theis scripture say ALL OR A SOME?" And although we may not like it, the truth must be stated or we will not find the whole truth. As for your last paragraph concerning this testimony, my heart is compassionate toward any lose. But our scriptural beliefs can't be influenced by experience, We have discussed this before. I will not judge God's Word false regardless of my experiences or anyone elses. Many have left the church angry with God for many different reason. And I see that as a clear indication that believers are not being taught from their infacy to develop a personal intimate relationship with the Spirit of God and the Word. Many have lost loved ones who believe as I believe and recognize two major facts... 1. God is God and His Word is true. PERIOD 2. We are called to a personal and intimate relationship with Him in order to KNOW Him, and have HIM teach us and reveal the things of the spirit world that otherwise we can't comprehend. 3. While doing this when we face things beyond our understanding we must remember that we are human and GROWING in knowledge and faith. When we face things in life we do not understand, we must turn to God for answers, not run from Him. When I have blamed God for something (a long time ago) I had to humble myself and acknowledge that He is God and He loves me. If something was missed, He did not miss it,I did. Then rather than condemn myself for what I do not know, I sought Him more diligently to KNOW HIM more. That is the key to growing up through surrender. Simply put, Many 'believe' things taught without seeking God through the Holy Spirit for the spiritual revelation of the truth. When our faith is in what man has taught us and not in what God has revealed to us by His Holy Spirit, our faith is misplaced. Now as for this couple...I do not know what was going on in that situation in the spirit world, or in their own walk with God. I do not know what they believed or what they did not believe. And in reality no one else does. God KNOWS the heart. Again, judge nothing, either the 'faithful' or the 'unfaithful'. I do know God's Word is the only TRUTH. God bless God bless |
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270 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89324 | ||
Yes, Tim. I do believe e here on the forum should remember to pray for one another. The goal is to die daily and become more like Him, thus revealing to the world the true nature and will of God. God bless |
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271 | A Private Hot Line to God? | Ps 119:105 | gracefull | 89231 | ||
Thank you radioman. It is refreshing to hear that communication between brothers and sisters is working! God bless |
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272 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89199 | ||
Tim, chill my brother. You are being led away from the topic at hand. 'Baited'.. This always kills a discussion...I speak from personal experience. God bless |
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273 | A Private Hot Line to God? | Ps 119:105 | gracefull | 89196 | ||
"Paul's charge to Timothy was to preach the word of God, not what Timothy may have thought he knew in his spirit to be true. The human spirit never has been a reliable guide to religious faith and practice, but the word of God always has been and always will be. --Hank" Hank this is true, thus my point that without spirit to Spirit (Holy Spirit) communication which is the Biblical term 'LIGHT' or revelation of Jesus Christ. SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED is the 'special revelation' being spoken of here. 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man (carnal, mental dependancy apart from the Holy Spirit)receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he KNOW them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. God bless God bless |
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274 | A Private Hot Line to God? | Ps 119:105 | gracefull | 89195 | ||
Ray, that is correct. You have blessed me. The Holy Spirit will lead us in what we say and do, teach, or preach if we are relying on Him to do so. We are not to place our faith in carnal wisdom or other men's teaching alone, otherwise Jesus would not have said what He did in John 14 and 15. I am going away, indeed it is EXPEDIENT Tthat I go because if I do not god, the Comforter wil not come. I will pray the Father and He will send the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth. Paul states often the what he writes is from God. What he speaks is at the leadership and direction of the Holy Spirit. The teachings of men should be what the Holy Spirit has given them. Otherwise it is most likely mans' interpretation of the Word and not God's actual heart. God bless God bless |
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275 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89193 | ||
"Just so you know who your agreeing with as your lead by the spirit. There are many (graceful) on this forum from the Word of Faith denomination. That "denomination" teaches faith in faith. In other words if we have enough faith God HAS to do it. Word of Faith is far different than Pentecostal, Full Gospel or even Charismatic. It's teachings have been found and proven to be cultic. In that you no longer depend on God but rather on your faith." I could not help but notice that you addressed none of my teaching but rather 'profiled ME'. Shame on you Ed! If you ever intend to influence those of us on thr forum whom you believe are so misled, you will only accomplish that through SCRIPTURE... PSALM 119:130 The entrance of THY words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Except for the illumination of God's Word by the Holy Spirit, one cannot see! God bless |
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276 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89192 | ||
Thank you Tim, Ed and Hank's post are indicative of the manner in which I was treated when I first came to the forum. There was very little scriptural discussion and a whole lot of misquoted accusations from Hank Hannegraff's book. I refused to discuss my faith on this level. That was why I warned you. i probably should have waited and you would have seen the type of responses I got. 'These teachers are WOF and the WOF doctrine is a cult and these teachers are heretics'. How do you respond to that? No they are not...yes they are...you misunderstand...no we don't...that was a far as we ever got! Yes, brother, I was born again at the age of 10 in the local First Baptist Church. When I was 23 I shared with my brother that there was still something missing. He shared with me the truth of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I was filled with the Spirit at age 24. The Word of God came ALIVE!!! I found the void was hunger for the FIRST CHURCH EXPERIENCE. Our relationship became personal and intimate! I am currently affiliated with the Church of God (Tenn founded). I listen to and study from a variety of teachers and attempt to glean the truths each one has as opposed to believing God speaks through one denomination or one teacher only. I believe this helps keep me teachable. Stay faithful and humble to the truth the Spirit has shown you. God bless . |
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277 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89190 | ||
That's OK. I do that sometimes too! The threads can become somewhat confusing when there is a lot of activity. God bless |
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278 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89189 | ||
I agree Tim...judge nothing before it's time God bless |
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279 | A Private Hot Line to God? | Ps 119:105 | gracefull | 89152 | ||
Tim, you too have been a blessing to me since you joined the forum. Let me encourage you to continue if if the Lord so leads. Although it can be very trying at times, as Essaus once reminded me, "Be not weary in well doing." Let love rule your heart and remember we can only post what we know in our spirit to be true, scatter seed, but the Holy Spirit is the 'revealer'. Continue in prayer for the forum members as well as speaking the truth in love! God bless |
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280 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89151 | ||
Hi Tim, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but some here on the forum believe all these preachers and teachers are heretics. The discussion concerning these teachers'actual teaching falls on deaf ears here. It will be wise to just stick to scripture my brother. Keep posting! God bless |
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