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221 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90539 | ||
So where did the 'righteous dead' before Christ actually go? They did not go to Heaven as Enoch and Elijah... God bless |
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222 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | gracefull | 90538 | ||
Thank you for your response. I took special note to the wise words below. I see this truth in relationship to sin and the law as addressed in Romans 7. Had there been no law, no statement from God saying 'thou shalt not' there would have been no transgression. You said: "By the same token if God says we don't have to be sick or poor, then we have the chance, based upon our faith to be just the opposite." God bless |
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223 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | gracefull | 90466 | ||
Hi Thirst, I would like to comment on a couple of your reasons for believing faith preachers focus too much on healing if I may. You said: "I believe that the faith healers put the focus on being healed and not on a relationship with Jesus and that is not what Jesus taught us in God's word.When ever Jesus healed someone he first forgave them of there sins (Matt 9 1-8), and also checked to see where their faith was. Jesus also would tell them to not tell anyone of this because he did not people think that he was only a mircle worker." 1ST- Jesus did not tell everyone not to tell. He healed huge crouds. See scriptures below and also An example of Jesus actually telling someone TO TELL.. Mark 5:19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee. Notice Jesus did not preach to this man but sent him to his village to tell the people how Jesus had MIRACULOUSLY delivered him. When this city was later evangelized their attitude would be very different. Luke 8:56 And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done. Compared to all the other scriptures on healing, this one stands out as unique and not the norm. One could believe the reason for telling them not to tell, was the sooner word got out, the sooner He would not be able to walk about openly. See Mark 1:45 "But he went out, and began to publish it much, and to blaze abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more openly enter into the city, but was without in desert places: and they came to him from every quarter." 2ND When ever Jesus healed someone he first forgave them of there sins (Matt 9 1-8), and also checked to see where their faith was. Matthew 9:2-8 2 And they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven." 3 And some of the scribes said to themselves, "This fellow blasphemes." 4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, "Why are you thinking evil in your hearts? 5 "Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, and walk'? 6 "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"--then He said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home." 7 And he got up and went home. 8 But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men. In the context Jesus is making a statement that He had authority to forgive sins. He asks them which is easier, to forgive sins or heal this man with palsy...Both are beyond human ability! Both require an act of God! And the second part about checking their faith...He knew every mans heart, He knew their faith..Faith is required for healing. He did often comment on the level of faith. When faith reached out, Jesus healed, when faith was absence, Jesus could not heal...Matthew 13:58 And he (Jesus) did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. Matthew 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; Matthew 14:14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick. Matthew 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them: Reread Matthew - John keeping a close eye on Jesus healing activity making notes on each insident..Who was healed, whose faith was working, what was Jesus doing or preaching at the time... I believe you will be amazed at the extent of Jesus healing ministry..It was a major emphasis, not something He did occassionally at a whim and sporadically. My dear brother/sister do not listen to the lies of the devil. He has been trying to throw cold water on the healing ministries, but there are men and women of God who have been called for this purpose..they are not all the body, but they are a PART of our body. We as members of the body need to stop ridiculing and start praying for them to be blessed and annointed even more! Just as we pray for our missionaries, and our evangelists, and each other! And we need to stop fearing what we do not understand and seek God for understanding. As for being slain in the Spirit this is merely a discriptieve term for someone swooning under the power of the presence of the Holy Spirit. Often the Holy Spirit reveals something or heals while this person in under His power. He does not FORCE them, they are yielded and waiting to receive. the Holy Spirit NEVER KNOCKS ANYONE OUT. Don't get caught up in 'preacher bashing'. It is severly detrimental to the body. God bless |
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224 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | gracefull | 90460 | ||
Pastor, Sometimes their mockery startles me also. I often sense the Holy Spirit is grieved...but many on the forum are not Holy Spirit baptized and have not moved into that rhelm..they simply can't see..but I tend to agree, the mocking of others just because they do not understand is a foolish thing to do. Often when I read posts like these, I think of the Pharasees when they accused Jesus of being demon possessed... Let's pray. God bless |
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225 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90459 | ||
"Once again you said a lot but really didn't say anything." If that is the case..no further discussion on this subject with you will be profitable. God bless |
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226 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90458 | ||
Romans 5:14-17 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. God bless |
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227 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90398 | ||
After all our posts, you STILL miss the whole point! Abraham went to Hades along with all the other righteous dead because of the curse...How did Enoch and Elijah escape? How was their relationship so good that they seemingly escaped the curse pronounced upon all mankind? God bless |
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228 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90395 | ||
"Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again? The answer is no. If physical healing is in the atonement then no Christian should ever get physically sick provided they stay in the faith. Yet we know Bill Bright a great Christian just recently died of lung disease. He must have had faith enough for spiritual healing but not for physical." Ed, that is a good observation. The first question was, "Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again?" The optimal word here would be 'stay in faith'. By this you mean that if we continue in faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ our savior, yes, we remain in His grace. If you mean 'remain if faith' in the sense that we 'sin no more' no. We do indeed sin (hopefully less and less as we grow up) but yes even as believers we can become entangled in sin and become spiritually sick, not to the point of spiritual death. If physical healing is in the atonement like spiritual healing when we become saved and experience our spiritual healing we should also be healed... No, just as with salvation, healing must be received by faith. All of the provisions of the atonement must be received by faith. Many are taught only that Christ died for their sins and this is all they believe for, and it is all they get. But as we grow in the Word we see that much more was provided. He was wounded for our transgression! He was bruised for our iniquities! The chastisement needful for our peace was upon Him! By His stripes you are healed! It is possible to believ in the blood for sins, and even possible to believe God heals some, but not me.... But the scripture here and indicates no exceptions. "yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair." I am sure when we all get to Heaven we sill know why...but her experience does not compromise scripture. yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair. "Therefore God provided scripture that tells us Christians what to do if we do get sick. You say it is a lack of faith. However you can't show me where God said if you lack faith and get sick here is what to do." The scripture does say 'IF there are any sick among you....' There is the conclusion that there may be some sick among you, but this does not conclude that there has to be any sick among you.... As far as your statement there is no scripture that tells us our faith can be developed to the point of not becoming sick (not yielding to any attack of sickness) There are scriptures that tell us God will give us the desires of our heart, that we are redeemed from the curse...sickness is under the curse....and that the righteous shall live by faith...If you believe for healing when you get sick, praise God you believe my brother. I can't convince you to 'believe'. That is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit...Let it rest awhile. God bless |
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229 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90390 | ||
Hi Roaring Lamb, That is a great way to begin! Let's get a foundation to begin.. You asked, "What I ask is that you show me specifically the words that say Enoch or Elijah did not die and we'll take it from there. Here's my promise: if after several exchanges on this topic, you still think I'm off my rocker and you no longer want to hear from me, I'll honor your request." But first we need to distinguish between physical death and spiritual death, because I have no problem with God translating someone from this life to the next escaping physical death either under the Old or New Covenant. If this is your starting point, you may have to begin with your points. But I do have a question about Enoch and Elijah escaping SPIRITUAL DEATH placed upon all mankind from Adam.. In addressing 'spiritual' death I would begin with Romans 5:14-17 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Now if spiritual death under the Old Covenant was to go to the holding place of the righteous dead as Luke 16 seems to indicate.. Luke 16:22 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. ....then how did Elijah go to 'heaven'. Did Enoch and Elijah not experience the 'spiritual death' pronounced upon all men? Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. (should not see death) 2 Kings 2:11 11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (taken up to heaven) Let me know if my posts are unclear as communication can be a tricky thing. Secondly, I may not be able to respond in depth on any given day. My time is limited, and I am sure yours is too. God bless |
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230 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90278 | ||
"I will like wise give you the benefit. If you don't know the answer don't attempt to answer the question but inventing a "LOOPHOLE"." I did not create a loophole...Ed, I was trying to get the folks on the threa to get out of the 'box' and actually begin to consider this question...actually have a STUDY of the question asked. I was not saying there WAS a loophole. I said if I accept the answers being given they sound like loopholes because of the fact that all men were condemned to spiritual death, seperation from God. So how did Enoch and Elijah go to heaven... BUT ED YOU had to try to turn it into a debate rather than a STUDY of comparison of scripture and respectful hearing of various input from various people!! WHY? Because you were determined to try to undermine and discredit me. I WANTED to get folks to ACTUALLY THINK! God bless |
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231 | Remember the Sabbath; when? | Gen 1:1 | gracefull | 90275 | ||
Hi Pastor... I agree! If God's not there, why bother! But the foundation of my faith is God's Word. If you will read further up this thread you will see where I was being accused of placing my faith in 'spiritual experience' which can be ver fallible if one is hearing and trusting the wrong spirit... I was merely pointing out that my faith is rooted and grounded in the Word, and the Holy Spirit along with experiences are the result or manifestation of God's Word. Does that clear things up? God bless |
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232 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90274 | ||
Hi pastor floyd, Your post blessed me. Sometimes I feel very alone here on the forum. But I believe you intended this post to go to Ed. He is the one who believes the verse in 1 Peter 2:24 is speaking of 'spiritual healing only'. But in defense, he does belive in healing, but he believes it is at God's discretion and not available to all believers provided through the atonement just as salvation to 'WHOSOEVER WILL'. He believes God's sovereignty allows Him to choose who He will or will not heal. I believe God's sovereignty has provided healing through His covenant to be received by faith. Thanks for the testimony!!!!! God bless |
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233 | Remember the Sabbath; when? | Gen 1:1 | gracefull | 90258 | ||
No Ed, it's what you heard. In context of my other posts? Not so.... Now you may totally explain your entire belief system in a single post, but I do not always accomplish that feat. Again this is the major problem in communications, Trying to make someone a liar or prove their theology is all wrong by taking a single statement, excluding all others. This is the same thing Hank Hannagraff did in his book. God bless |
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234 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90255 | ||
God bypassed the curse placed upon all amnkind and made an eception of Enoch and Elijah? God violated His own Word because He is God? No, that does not wash... God bless |
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235 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90254 | ||
Ed, We have been at an empass here for awhile. You believe the stripes Jesus bore was for 'spiritual healing' and I believe is to spiritual, and physical, bought in the atonement. If we do not agree on this alone...the rest is never going to 'gel'. God bless |
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236 | Remember the Sabbath; when? | Gen 1:1 | gracefull | 90245 | ||
.” Again the Mormons believe the presence of God is in every one of their services." AGAIN...that is NOT what I base my faith on either... God bless |
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237 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90244 | ||
"The same way Abraham escaped it, by knowing he needed a Messiah and putting his faith in the Messiah before Jesus came. Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness," I guess I am not making my point clear here... Abraham was under the Old Covenant and the Old Covenant saints went to 'Paradise' or 'Abraham's bosom'...not Heaven Genesis 5:24 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. 2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. None of the Old Testament saints went to Heaven because they were not yet fully redeemed... This is my point for discussion. Heaven Strong's #8064 1. heaven, heavens, visible skies a. as the abode of the stars b. Heaven as the abode of God If heaven heare is the sky, one can make the assumption that Elijah did not go to Heaven, but if Elijah went to Heaven...HOW? God bless |
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238 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90242 | ||
Hello Ed, "I'm saying saying I don't know why this son died but I see the good that came from out of it. It has brought much glory and honor to God. As a servant of God would you not be willing to die so that God got the glory? Remember the martyrs" This is not a case of being martyred...God did not get glory from the death, but from the living mother who chose to trust God's love without understanding. I told you before that as growing and developing believers these are truths that must come progressively. "Your right Satan did take her child's life but not before God gave Satan permission to do so. We can not die one second before God gives the okay. You forget who owns us, God. Satan can take nothing that God does not allow." God does not commit murder. To 'authorize' murder is to be a murderer. I own my cat but have no legal or moral right to kill it. Now I do agree with you here to a degree...God has given us His Word and Hiw Word teaches us His will and His Word teaches us consequences, requorements, and I know you hate the word but LAWS. God's Word, His covenant with us is His LAWS for us to live by. And He has bound HImself by those same laws, that same covenant. In that sense, yes, one might say God authorized it... But God does not murder His righteous children... Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: God's Word does not say All WILL be healed but I do believe that God's will for His children to be healed is established in the Word. "You said everyone that has to be healed if they have enough faith. I'm saying that is simply not true. No where in the Bible is that stated. " He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities. The chastisment of our peace was upon Him and by His stripes we were healed. Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, And many more I have not the time to list. "Everyone dies from something" Where is this stated in scripture? 1. Old Age is not a desease. To complete your life and calling then your spirit departs is totally different from cancer or heart desease forcing your spirit out of the body. God bless |
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239 | Remember the Sabbath; when? | Gen 1:1 | gracefull | 90239 | ||
"I think you did say if there are manifestations then God has to be okay with it. To me that is saying manifestations prove something. I pointed out even the Mormons have manifestations and Jesus would tells those that manifestations proved something to depart from him as they weren't part of him. Now shuffle it any way you like that is what you said." There is only one problem with your conclusion... this is what happens when statements are taken out of context... I am done with this conversation Ed..we both need to move on. God bless |
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240 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90127 | ||
Ed, I agree that unless the Lord returns we wil all die physically. I have NEVER posted anything that stated otherwise. If you can find where I did, please copy it and post it here on the forum for everyone to see. You have accused me of saying this before, and I corrected you then too... I did say one does not have to be physically ill to die. One's spirit can simply leave the body when our time is up! "Yesterday I watched a woman sing "God is all I need" with such power and conviction that my soul was exicted and my faith was increased. Why because I know this woman, she had a one son. He was a son any of us would have been proud to have. He loved his mother, he was faithful, honest, obedient, loving. There are not enough positive comments to totally descibe him. He was 18 when he fell from the boat he was on and drowned. His mother was shaken to the very core of her faith but let me tell you she never lost her faith and today she can sing 'God is all I need' and do it in such a way that any that knows her story knows God is all that she needs." I assume by this testimony you are saying that God killed her son so she would realize she need God only? If that is your conclusion? All I can say is I believe Satan took her son's life and she learned God's grace and the Holy Spirit can carry her through anything. She needs no other source of comfort. No other would help. God bless God bless |
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