Results 521 - 540 of 729
|
||||||
Results from: Notes Author: charis Ordered by Verse |
||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
521 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 1320 | ||
Dear Dud M3, I like that, and I am sure my wife will, too! Amen regarding authority. There is nothing shameful about obeying God's commands. In Jesus. | ||||||
522 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 3474 | ||
Dear inHzsvc, I notice the capital :-) Yes, these are liberal times we live in. However, if you take the 'then, there, so forever and wherever' approach, you must apply it to every single thing. So, in your church are women forbidden to sing and worship? Does this only apply to the period of time when the services are being held, or are women not allowed a peep at anytime within the walls of your church building. Does this include the parking lot, or even on the way to church. How about female children? Forgive me, I only use these absurdities to show the legalistic nature of the argument. I am sure that a woman could usurp authority over a man without saying a word, and I daresay that it may happen even in your church. It is also possible for women to speak, yet be fully under the authority of men. Our attitude of faith can make the difference. As I spoke on another line, I believe that pastoral authority should be in the hands of men chosen by God. But to 'gag' or 'muzzle' women using legalistic interpretation of scripture is not my bent. You deplore my use of 'I think' and 'I believe,' but I must say that your 'I know' and 'the scripture says' is just another version of the same thing. Otherwise, the church would not be split the way it is. Or, perchance, are you claiming 'right,' with everyone else 'wrong?' If we say, "Thus saith the Lord in His word..." are we not acting as prophets proclaiming the word of God? Friend, we all have ideas of what the word of God says. My own thinking (I think) is that 'I know' is not very humble, nor is it absolute. The only thing that I claim to know, is Jesus Christ, and His salvation. I am happy to know that your church is conservative in these liberal times, and pray that the peace of the Lord Jesus would be upon you in abundance. Love in Jesus' name, charis |
||||||
523 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 3487 | ||
Dear friend inHzsvc, I laud your desire to keep men in their proper place of authority in the church. I assure you that many others share this holy desire, but their methods may be different. I still must challenge you on your claim that your method is 100 percent effective, and that all other methods are ineffective. In any case, you 'think that you know' absolutely what God speaks on this issue. You also say that anyone who does not 'know' this is corrupted by these liberal days. I am sure that Jesus Himself will have a better answer, that surprises both the conservatives and the liberals with His authority, just like when He walked this earth. Until then, I will hold that men have opinions, and they differ. As to your statement about 'older commentators,' I appreciate your desire to conserve the teachings of previous generations of saints, but the book of Joel, quoted by Peter on the day of Pentecost, prophesies that the Spirit will give new revelation as we come closer to the return of the Lord Jesus. Old is good, yes, but God still reserves the right to teach us new things and restore lost things in the Spirit. I almost forgot to answer your question. In my church, men and women and children all, quiet themselves and listen to the preaching of the word of God. With all due respect, duh! Blessings this Easter day, if it is not outlawed by the heathen origins of the name :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
524 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 3489 | ||
Dear Joel, Amen! If men would manifest their faith and live up to their roles as prescribed in the Bible (husband, father, leader, pillar), we would not need 'laws' to protect their authority. I believe that this is more what Paul was teaching than a new version of the 'Law.' Jesus' commandments are much more powerful and effective than the Law ever was. Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
525 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 3498 | ||
Dear inHzsvc, I acquiesce to your point that that Bible only states one side of this issue. Your thinking, your method is to adhere to the words of Paul as though they were intended to all, for all time. My thinking, my method is to believe that Paul was addressing a specific situation, and that the gist, the essence(life) of his teaching is to be adhered to. You have admitted that the word is silent concerning the 'other side' of this issue. I do, however, believe that we agree on the premise that women are different, and should be under authority. Children, too. I believe the same result can be attained without the 'gag,' without the hat and the veil. I am sure that the Bible teaches us that love is the preferred method, as taught in this same letter, by the same Author, to the same church. Apparently, this love command was not yet effective, for reasons we do not completely know. I hope and pray that the better teaching is being restored to the church, as we come closer to Jesus' soon return. I am aware of the dangers of 'Babylon' today, but also aware that rigid, stiff-necked Israel did not please God. Jesus' teaching always surprised the extremists with the balance of love and truth. Thank you for your patience with me. In Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
526 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 25607 | ||
casiv, Your comments are not based on the Bible at all. You have not given even one reference, or even hint of reference to the Word of God in this post. In fact, you speak only bald emotionalism. I do not agree with some of the more legalistic interpretations limiting the participation of women in the body of Christ. I do, however, clearly see that God has placed men in authority over the home and the church. This should make no difference in the 'amount' of blessing from God, nor should it be considered a degredation. As I have stated before, I do not hold with the idea of legal requirements for head coverings, hair length or 'gag orders.' But an attitude and heart of submission toward men in the home and in ministry will definitely be rewarded for obedience by God. Please note that men are also required a reciprocal amount of responsibility and faith. By the way, would you please speak English? The name of our Lord and Savior in English is Jesus. In Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
527 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 25720 | ||
casiv, I am so pleased that you are humble enough to realize that you 'have a heart for all' and that 'love is your motivation.' Sounds great! But what has that to do with my comments on the role of women in the home and the church? Do you have any Bible references to back up your previous emotional outburst toward those posting in this thread? If you have a point to make, would you make it, instead of changing the subject and using rather oblique Scripture references? I am well aware that Greek has no 'J.' But English does! You are using (a sometimes very obscure form of) English to post here, so please be consistent. By the way, what is your religious affiliation? You have never quite told us what it is you believe. Quite frankly, some of your mystical-sounding terminology seems to depart from orthodox Christian faith. Blessings also to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
528 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | charis | 25781 | ||
Dear Hank (and Nolan and Radioman and retxar), Greetings in the name of Jesus! Thank you, sir and sirs! At least I know where I stand among this august group (of men!) :-) As you can see, I have prostrated myself before the 'fairer sex,' hoping that I have not been an ogre in their sight. If I am wrong, I fear that I might be prey for the lionesses :-) Actually, I suspect that there are many times that women are more balanced than men, and less pugnacious. And as soon as my wife stops looking over my shoulder, I'll tell you what I really think! (ha-ha, just kidding!) Seriously, I think that the difference between men and women in God's sight is more akin to the differences in gifts and callings. "But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. If they were all one member, where would the body be?" 1 Corinthians 12:18,19 NASB. We are not the same, because GOD made us different! Each has their place in His kingdom. And, for reasons that only He knows completely, men have been given authority and responsibility in the home and in the church. In no way does this take away from the 'worth' of women in the church and home. On a personal note, I have always seen that the wife of a minister 'wields' as much weight of opinion as her husband, even though she may not hold the 'title' or 'office.' IMNSHO, men don't hold 'titles' or 'offices' before God, either! Well, enough preaching. Blessings to you, and peace to the forum! In Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
529 | replies from persons or "bots"? | 1 Cor 15:10 | charis | 28147 | ||
Dear Norrie, Greetings in Jesus' name! A 'bot' is an artificial intelligence program that performs a specific task. Most 'search' engines are bots that attempt to answer your question in a (semi) intelligent manner. A 'forum bot' would be one that tries to give an answer to your question based on clues and keywords. In other words, a 'canned' answer. based on the answers we sometimes see, if there IS a 'bot' loose on this forum, it is out of wack! :-) (On a side note, I have wondered somtimes if certain posters were using some kind of software to disguise their intelligence by purposely messing up the grammar, spelling, or even the logic of their posts! So much for a 'conspiracy theory' :-)) Peace to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
530 | replies from persons or "bots"? | 1 Cor 15:10 | charis | 28148 | ||
Dear Norrie (again), Sorry, I forgot to say that 'bot' is short for 'software robot.' In Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
531 | Any consequences for the bad? | 2 Cor 5:10 | charis | 1010 | ||
Dear slillis20, Actually, this is about the same conclusion I have come to, especially the 'sad, certainly embarrasing' part. I believe this to be a consequence. I have heard said that there are no consequences whatsoever, and no rewards, either. Have no fear, I was not 'fishing' for grounds to take away salvation. The Word says there is unforgiveable sin, so I believe it. But It can't be too easy to lose, or all of us would qualify (or be disqualified, as it were). Indeed the idea of just consequence does 'stimulate me to love and good deeds.' Amen! In Christ Jesus. | ||||||
532 | Any consequences for the bad? | 2 Cor 5:10 | charis | 1011 | ||
Dear Radioman, Amen! see my comments to slillis20 below. In Christ Jesus. | ||||||
533 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22156 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! This is all well and good. Everybody should love to give. But, my friend, people are inconsistent and fickle. Can you, for a moment, look at this issue from the pastor's point of view? The people come fairly regulary, and use electricity and water and their portion of the meeting place that God has provided, but the pastor has to somehow pay for. The minister is caring for his flock, using gasoline and his time, and whatever to pray for the sick, visit relatives, preach the Gospel and help those in his church and sometimes those not in his church. All of this costs something. Unless the church is totally supported by outside sources, the pastor is responsible to have enough money to pay the bills. He has the choice: 1) to request (not require) it be given in weekly or monthly increments, at a regular, dependable pace, without constantly asking or begging for it, and be responsible with what is given, thanking the Lord for His faithfulness and provision, and maybe even do some 'tent-making' or side work to supplement the coffers, or... 2) to 'appeal' for money evey week, to tell everybody about 'pressing needs' and 'special situations' all the time, to beg from the pulpit, in newsletters and by email, often 'stretching' the truth to make their situation seem dire, or... 3) to become an outright robber, and browbeat people using every money-grabbing scheme they can think of to fill their own pockets until they get put in jail or run out of town :-) My humble opinion: 1) sounds good to me! 2) sounds burdensome to God's people, undignified, inefficient, and very stressful for pastor and sheep. It MAY work, but that is by grace, not by holy design. 3) sounds like, well, a lot of ministries these days. Theory is fine, Bible-by-the-letter is fine, fuzzy emotions are fine, but simple tithes and offerings to the Lord from a simple heart is GREAT! Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
534 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22158 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! Great story! Does your local church need a 20 million dollar equivalent convention hall? How often do you hear about the need for funds to support this convention center? Does everyone in the church know the names and amounts of those that 'gave big?' Will you hold on to this convention center, no matter what, even if it is a drain on the entire resources of the church? My friend, I do not intend these questions to be mean or facetious! I only ask them because of foolishness and financial abuse I have witnessed in the church. My 'scenario' seems to work better, and glorify God longer, though maybe without the 'spikes' of glory. :-) Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
535 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22168 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings from Japan in Jesus' name! If we are to question the legality of the tithe, I guess that a few good lawyers on both sides could make the case go on forever! :-) My own experience, and observation of many church situation leads me to believe that most healthy churches do need a certain amount of money to keep from legal problems, and to make their assembly a reasonably comfortable affair, and to have some amount of money available for the needs of 'widows and orphans' and whatever unforseen situation that is sent their way. My calculations come out to about 10 percent of the total income of the people of the church, plus a little bit more for the things that God wants us to do that we did not put in our original calculations. Now isn't that a coincidence? :-) So, in order not to get caught up in an argument, I propose a 'consumption and participation' tax of 10 percent of each person's total income, to be collected once a week. The 'honor system' will be used, on one will check on your payment. No one will ask you for money from the pulpit, but every week there will be a time of offering that is based completely upon how you feel each time, with no compulsion or pressure. At this time you can pay your tax, if you feel like it. The leadership will do all in their power to be responsible with this money, and make ends meet. How does that sound? If the word 'tax' is unacceptable, we could use 'cover charge' or 'entrance fee' or 'membership dues.' Or, we could just use a term from the Old Testament (pre-Law, by the way!) that catches the 'intent' of God's purposes, and call it the 'tithe and offering.' :-) Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
536 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22178 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I see you have been defending the position that the tithe is not required in the New Testament. But at the end of this post you are talking as if some were saying that tithing was required for salvation. I don't think anyone was implying this at all! But giving to God by supporting His church is definitely implied in the New Testament, and the best 'formula' I have ever heard that seems to be pleasing to the Lord is a tithe AND offering system. Of course this is not a requirement for salvation. In fact the worst 'curse' I have ever heard for the non-giver is to 'lose your blessing.' In Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
537 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22263 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! Friend, I do NOT require tithes for membership, not do I think that tithes are required by God for salvation. I think that tithes and offerings please God, whatever your financial status. This is obvious from the teachings of Jesus. The Lord never said that we were set free from a heart to give tithes. And He never said that it was a requirement for membership or salvation. So I teach exactly that. I am not sure why you have this focus on the 'legality' of the tithe. It is not a legal thing at all! Personally, I don't think it ever was, even in the Old Testament. I won't "put you away," but this is becoming tedious. After all, you claim that you tithe! I do too! Always have, and been blessed in it, even when I was in financial ruin. In Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
538 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22287 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! Truly, you have a dizzying intellect! Honestly, I do not get your point. On one hand, you have said many, many times that we are not bound by the Law to pay tithes. Nevertheless, you state: "It cannot be affirmed that the Old Testament law of tithes is binding on the Christian Church, nevertheless the principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel (1Co 9:13-14); and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, then Christians outght to go beyond the ancient Hebrew in consecrating both themselves and their substance to God. " This sounds just like asking for money, maybe even 'requiring' it! Also, these do not sound like your words. May I ask who you quote here? ' MY point was that even in the Old Testament the Lord desired that man obey from the heart, not by the letter. Abraham was justified by faith before circumcision, and before the Law. Also... "For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." Hebrews 10:4 NASB. This tells us that our sacrifice did not cleanse us, but God's grace. Finally, you keep using the word 'required,' but even in the Old Testament, tithes were not required for salvation, nor were you disowned from being an Israelite. Now, in Christ we are not 'required' but giving is still pleasing to God. Johnny, could you please tell me what you believe we SHOULD do concerning giving to God? Please, I beg of you, give me the short version! Don't just say, "Any amount you feel!" Also, don't tell me any more of what we should NOT do. I think I understand that we are not saved by tithing. Peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
539 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22413 | ||
Dear Johnny, I teach that tithes are an attitude of the heart, not a legal requirement. To me, the tithe is not so much an absolute amount, but a basic guideline that works for me in my church. It is not a burden to God's people, but a joy. I have never had to ask or beg for money from the pulpit, and our needs are always met, though we have never had a 'big giver' or 'sponsor.' Please do in your church as you see fit. No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, even though you have posted voluminous Scripture to prove it. If you truly want to discuss New Testament giving, then please condense your thoughts into a simple paragraph. Then I will try my best to give you a Biblical answer. By the way, could it be that you are in the Philippines? I just wondered, because I have been there many times, and some of the situations describe sound familiar. Peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
540 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22417 | ||
Dear Johnny, By the way, "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect." is a quote from a movie. It is my feeble attempt to add some humor to this thread. In this movie there is a fellow that considers himself to be a genius, calling Socrates a moron. Then, he proceeds to go into a long, completely one-sided argument that was the epitome of circular reasoning, with no apparent conclusion. This scene came to mind. I am sorry you are offended. I almost forgot to ask, were those statements I asked you about your own? Or were they quotes from another source? If so, who were you quoting? Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
||||||
Result pages: << First < Prev [ 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 ] Next > Last [37] >> |