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1 | Has anyone noticed? | Bible general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53531 | ||
Hank........Acts 15 may have settled the quandary about "Jewish roots" if verse 21 ("For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.") had been deleted.....but there it is. What meaning does this verse have for you in the context of the rest of the chapter? You are an excellent writer....I enjoy all your comments.....thanks.....Bub |
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2 | Has anyone noticed? | Bible general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53625 | ||
Hi Joe Re Acts 15:21……..please clarify……are you saying the Jewish believers were still meeting in the synagogues to hear Moses preached? Thanks…….Bub |
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3 | Has anyone noticed? | Bible general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53628 | ||
Dear Steve and II SA, The reason I just happened to pop into the forum recently is that I just got on line for the first time about three weeks ago.....being an ardent student of scripture....the first thing I did was search for a study group.....I found the study forum to be the best.....and since it is billed as "study BIBLE forum" and not "study Christian doctrine forum" I was hoping to be allowed to be included in the dialogue. If I ever say anything unscriptural please tell me to get lost.....which you pretty much already have. In response to Steve's comments: Being one who meets on Saturday…….I am simply, and happily, obeying the commandment from my Father (Ex 20:8)to do so. Who commanded Sunday? (chapter and verse please). Being one who observes “different feasts”……I am observing the feasts of the LORD (Lev 23)……as the LORD's feasts are different from yours....whose are you observing? (chapter and verse please). I use Hebrew names because they intrinsically mean something……”Yahoshua” means “Yah saved”….what does “Jesus” mean? I think there’s something special about getting back to our Hebrew roots because my role models are all Hebrews. Who are your gentile role models? #1 My ultimate role model, Y’shua the Messiah is still a Hebrew in the Revelation….i.e. post resurrection (the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, The Root of David….Rev 5:5) #2 My role models, the chosen apostles, were all Hebrews who would not have experienced the out pouring of the Holy Spirit had they not been observing Shavout,your “Pentecost”. (Acts 2:1). #3 My role model for what the congregation of believers (church) should be like are the first generation believers who were all zealous for the Torah Hebrews (Acts 21:20) or gentiles who chose to follow the LORD, and hang out with, a bunch of Hebrews (Acts 17:26). I am a gentile by birth and thank the LORD daily for His invitation for us gentile types to bind ourselves to the LORD and become one with His people Israel. (Isa 56). As for your comment, “BTW, there have been a few on this forum that did indeed try to convince us that we were required to use the Hebrew for God or Jesus.” I can’t convince anyone of anything…..that’s the Holy Spirit’s job….I’m not competing. As for “They didn't last very long on the forum.”……..I’m in for the long haul…….at least until it’s time to shake the dust off my flip flops. Shalom alechem........Bub |
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4 | Has anyone noticed? | Bible general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53731 | ||
Hey again, Steve….. C’mon get real, hang up your tap shoes. Me………."Who commanded Sunday? (chapter and verse please)." You…….Acts 20:7 (ESV) On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread... Me…….This is a command? You will eradicate the 4th commandment on the basis of Acts 20:7? Me……."As the LORD's feasts are different from yours....whose are you observing? (chapter and verse please)." You……I Cor. 11:23-25 (ESV) For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, [24] and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." [25] In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." Me……This is Passover, a feast of the LORD. I was pretty much looking for your justification for xmas and easter…….the holiest days on the Christian calendar so I’ve been told. Me……."What does 'Jesus' mean?" You……Je·sus -- A teacher and prophet whose life and teachings form the basis of Christianity. Christians believe Jesus to be Son of God and the Christ. [Middle English, from Late Latin Iesus, from Greek Iesous, from Hebrew yeshua, from yehoshua, Joshua.] Me……No, Steve, or should I say Stephano, or Esteban (what name did your mother give you….or doesn’t it matter?)……the question wasn’t “Who is the person, Jesus”….it was what does the word intrinsically mean? Do you know of any other historical figure who has had his name changed from culture to culture? (other than santa claus). Notice from your own references, the proper English translation is “Joshua”……..where did the word “Jesus” come from? Me…….."Who are your gentile role models?" You…….#1 Lord Jesus Christ who fulfilled the Law on our behalf. Me……..Let me rephrase the question……which of your role models are gentiles? All the ones you mention are Jewish. You…..Romans 8:3-4 Me……see Eze 36:26-27 You…….#2 Paul, who jumped on Peter for causing Gentiles to live like Jews. Me……..You don’t like Peter? Are his epistles then not credible? Wasn’t Peter led of the Spirit just like Paul? This causes a problem…..Isn’t this the same Paul who said, “You, then, why do you judge your brother?” (Ro 14:10). You……Galatians 2:14 Me…….I really can’t respond to this, not really knowing the details of the situation nor being privy to Peter’s answer. I’ll be totally honest….there’s not much in Galations that I do understand. You……#3 The church which is Christ's body. 1 Cor. 12:12-13 (ESV) For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. [13] For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body— Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. Me……See Eze 36:26-27 -------------------------------- You……..Acts 21:20 is speaking of Jews in Jerusalem who still retained ties to the Law. Gentiles were exempt. Me………The subject at hand was not Jewish believers, but newly converted gentiles. If they were exempt, what was the point of mentioning Moses, synagogues and Sabbath? You……Acts 21:25 (ESV) But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality." Me…….Are you saying that these are the all inclusive guidelines for all gentiles for all time? You…….Acts 17 is not Gentiles wanting to hang out with Jews, but Jews wanting to hang out with Gentiles. Paul was speaking to Greeks on the Areopagus. Me……..AC 17:1 “When they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a JEWISH SYNAGOGUE. [2] AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, PAUL WENT INTO THE SYNAGOGUE, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, [3] explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ, " he said. [4] Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of GOD-FEARING GREEKS and not a few prominent women.” In Areopagus he was hanging out with pagan gentiles, not converted gentiles…..not because they were cool guys, but trying to bring them to their senses. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb………..Bub |
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5 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53215 | ||
Dear David F...... Re post resurrection accounts. We're talking about a chronological accounting of a specific event......some spiritual concepts may not initially make sense or add up, I can see how at some point in time one might come to an understanding. But when it comes to an historical account of an event, they should make sense and add up from the gitgo. Bub |
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6 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53277 | ||
Dear David......no apology needed for "butting in", I don’t think there is such a thing on this forum. There's nothing I want more than the truth, believe me......but I've found I've been duped by going with what men have told me that the scriptures say or what they are. I'm passionate for the truth. I have to personally search for the answers to my questions rather than blindly following the common take on things……but the more I study the more questions I find to explore. This forum is great in that I can put out there what conclusions I have come to so that they can be challenged…….not for the sake of a mere intellectual boxing match…..but for a serious exploration for the truth. As I previously said, most Christians will say that every word of the Bible is God-breathed.....it was the post-resurrection accounts that left me scratching my head as to how this could be true…..Tim has asked for details, and I’ll try to get to that today. You cited II Ti 3:16-17, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”. I know that this is commonly understood to mean from Genesis to Revelation……I always believed that, that’s what I was always told. However, think about it……..was Paul referring to the “New Testament”……was he thinking……”Well, I think I’ll sit down and write some New Testament scripture today.” The point being…..there was no “New Testament” for the first generation believers to consult……there was only the Law and Prophets. “Scripture” can refer to any use of “script”, any writing is “scripture”, but any time the New Testament writers are referring to “scripture”, as in “Holy Scripture” they cannot be pointing to their own writings…...they were speaking of the Law and Prophets. I’m counting on you guys to keep me honest…..thanks, Bub |
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7 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53281 | ||
Tim, you want an example of where gospel accounts cannot be reconciled......here goes.....citing only post resurrection accounts: (by the way Steve and Hank….thanks for your input…..I had copied all four gospel accounts and had them side by side. I made a page with four columns inserting the information from each gospel in its respective column and tried to construct a coherent time line…..I couldn’t do it…..that was the maddening part.) #1 The cast of characters at the tomb vary in each gospel. #2 The dialogue at the tomb varied in each gospel. The most striking conflict is Y’shua saying, (Mt.28:10) “Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee (about 80 miles from Jerusalem); there they will see me." (in Mk 16:7 the women get the same information but a “young man” is speaking about Y’shua, it is not Y’shua speaking.) The Galilee message was not mentioned in Lk nor Jn, nor did they see Him there in Mk, Lk or Jn. #3 The accounts of Y’shua first appearing to the disciples (and when and where) are all different. a) Eleven disciples are on the scene in all but Jn….where Thomas was absent. b) There are only accounts of one appearance to the disciples in Mt, Mk and Lk, but 3 appearances in John; in Acts 1:3, “He appeared to them over a period of forty days”. #4 Accounts of the Ascension differ: a)The Ascension is not mentioned in Matthew b)Mentioned in Mark 16:19 but “the most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.” c)In Luke, He ascends on the same day as His resurrection. d)In John there is no record of the Ascension. If anyone can come up with a reckoning of all the events coming together in a coherent time line, with no inconsistencies, I would applaud his efforts. Is it me? Thanks all….. Bub |
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8 | post resurrection accounts | NT general Archive 1 | bubbatate | 53380 | ||
Dear Tim, thanks for your response, however I’m still baffled. I am not concerned with omissions or varying levels of detail among the gospels….I totally understand that. You stated, “A history is not required to mention every possible detail. It is only required to record the details factually.” This is my sticking point…..the factual details don’t fit. Mt 28:10 Then Y’shua said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."……. 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. (A) Mt’s factual detail: The eleven went to Galilee (can we assume that this was immediately, on the first day?). Mk 15:7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, "He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you." 8 Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid. (The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20). (B) Mark’s factual detail: The women did not give the disciples the message to go to Galilee. LK 24: 1 On the first day of the week…….13 Now that same day…….33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven……36 While they were still talking about this, Y’shua himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." (C) Luke’s factual detail: On the first day Y’shua appeared first to the eleven in Jerusalem. JN 20:10 Then the disciples went back to their homes……..19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Y’shua came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord….. 24 Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came…….26 A week later his disciples were in the house again. (D) John’s factual detail: On the first day Y’shua appears to ten in a houses. Okay, can A and B be reconciled? Yes, with a little creativity one could say that later they delivered the message and the disciples went to Galilee. Can A and C be reconciled? No. How can they be both in Galilee and in Jerusalem on the same day? Can A and D be reconciled? No. Again they are in Jerusalem, not Galilee, with the further contradiction that there were only ten present instead of the eleven. How can you get all these to fit? You said, “The fact that Luke and John do not mention going to Galilee is not a problem as long as they do not explicitly deny that it took place. Silence is not a contradiction.” The problem is not that they are silent on “Galilee”, but that they place the initial meeting of Y’shua and the disciples in Jerusalem. The logistics are impossible to reconcile. My point is, how can one say that each of the writers were writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Wouldn’t the Holy Spirit inspire with consistency? Just the fact that most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20, which has a separate post resurrection account, raises questions……did the Holy Spirit add that later? Thanks Tim……..Bub |
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9 | Honor the Sabbath | Ex 20:10 | bubbatate | 54450 | ||
Dear Nicki..... You mentioned, "God said" twice in your brief treatise on the Sabbath........what do you do with "God said" the SEVENTH DAY? Thanks Nicki.........Bub |
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10 | Honor the Sabbath | Ex 20:10 | bubbatate | 54473 | ||
Dear Nicki, According to your unique method of reckoning, since the resurrection was on the first day of the week, on what day of the week does this annual celebration fall? Thanks, Nicki........Bub |
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11 | Are you refering to the thief ? | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54179 | ||
Dear J.F. Since there's a lot of "thief" discussion going on lately, have ya'll noticed: Mt 27:44 In the same way the ROBBERS (PLURAL; SEE V 38) who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him. MK 15:32 Let this Christ, this King of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe." THOSE (PLURAL, SEE V 27) crucified with him also heaped insults on him. LK 23:39 ONE (SINGULAR) OF THE CRIMINALS who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!" [40] But the OTHER (SINGULAR) criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? [41] We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." [42] Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. " [43] Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." John, the only one who attests to having been at the crucifixion, is silent on the thief matter. Does anyone have a rational take on this conundrum? I need an intelligent explanation…..I’ve heard all the stupid ones. I can’t understand why the repentant thief episode was not deemed worthy of mention in three of the gospels, and in fact is contradicted in two of them……(please no “he repented later” responses…..two of the gospel writers clearly leave us believing that there was no repentance.) Thanks......Bub |
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12 | Are you refering to the thief ? | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54189 | ||
Joe..... All the critical information I need to defend Y'shua, that He lived, died and rose again, and that He redeemed through His blood and that He will return are all documented in the Revelation......written under orders to do so. Revelation is a "thus saith the LORD". How do you account for the poor journalism exhibited in the aforementioned passages? Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb.....Bub |
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13 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54232 | ||
Dear Brad……. I have to jump in here….I hope you don’t mind. You said, “I would not go to the OT to find doctrine regarding salvation as a NT Body of Christ member! To do so is to not "rightly divide the word of truth". What version of the NT did the Bereans check out when looking for confirmation concerning Y’shua the King (Acts 17:7, 11)? I guarantee you that if the Bereans had been told that this Messiah/King did away with the Law and Prophets in that He “fulfilled” them and because of His teachings and resurrection the Sabbath command had become a thing of the past they would have rejected Him in a heart beat…..which is why so few Jews today will even consider the possibility that “Jesus” is the Messiah. If it doesn’t fit with the word of the LORD they’re not buying it. They, the Bereans as well as Torah loving contemporary Jews, know the mandate for the King of Israel…… DT 17:18 “When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this TORAH, taken from that of the priests, who are Levites. [19] It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the LORD his God and FOLLOW CAREFULLY ALL THE WORDS OF THIS TORAH and these decrees [20] and NOT consider himself better than his brothers and TURN FROM TORAH TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT. Then he and HIS DESCENDENTS (that would include Y’shua) will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel.” This is not part of the picture that Christian doctrine presents. You said, “Ezekiel is NOT written to the Body of Christ, but to the Jews under the Law….. they were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit” Right…..Ezekiel was delivering a message to Israel……notice that the promise of a new heart and THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT was promised to ISRAEL (Eze 36:22, 26-27)…….it says nothing about gentiles who have not become naturalized citizens of the nation of Israel. You can’t claim promises specifically given to Israel (e.g. the indwelling of the Holy Spirit) if you are not Israel………that would make the LORD out to be a practitioner of bait and switch tactics. You called yourself a “NT Body of Christ member”………….Fill in the blanks: “I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of ________and with the house of __________.” You cannot put the word “Christians” or "Torahless gentiles" in either blank and keep the integrity of Jer 31:31. It was and is for “Jews”…..period! You proudly announce that you don’t go to the OT for doctrine…..fine…..don’t go there for promises either. That’s not rightly dividing the “word of truth” of which you made mention. Ps 119:43 Do not snatch THE WORD OF TRUTH from my mouth, for I have put my hope in your LAWS. [44] I will ALWAYS OBEY YOUR LAW (TORAH), for ever and ever. [45] I will walk about in FREEDOM, for I have sought out your precepts. Imagine that concept, “Freedom IN the Torah”……that’s the OT concept……..the NT is interpreted as saying, “Freedom FROM the Torah”. What’s wrong with this picture? But then, what about James, he must have gone back to Ps 119 and erroneously imposed it upon the NT, for he says, Ja 1:25 But the man who looks intently into THE PERFECT LAW THAT GIVES FREEDOM, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but DOING IT--he will be blessed in what he does. This is NT and I’ll bet this doesn’t fit your doctrine either…..perfect, law, freedom and works….all in one NT passage! You made the accusation, albeit not to me personally, “You are confusing a very basic issue between Law and Grace.” Ps 119:29 “Keep me from deceitful ways; be GRACIOUS to me through your LAW (TORAH). [30] I have chosen the WAY OF TRUTH; I have set my heart on your laws.” (He is obviously also confused.) Here in Ps 119:29 we have the concept of grace and law appearing in the same sentence……freedom and law and now this! How can this be? Grace and freedom are strictly NT words aren’t they…..used to explain away the Torah? If the author of Ps 119 would come to your church and begin to say his piece, would he be told to clam up because, as you said, “Failure to heed the differences of scripture,” (between the OT and NT) “results in confusion and inconsistency in interpretation.” ? Your analysis of what causes “confusion and inconsistency” is off course by 180 degrees. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb…..Bub |
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14 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54312 | ||
Dear Steve..... Me thinks thou protesteth too much. Bub |
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15 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54313 | ||
Dear Brad, Thank you for your response, I apologize for my insolence......I admittedly have a problem with controlling my sarcasm. Bub |
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16 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | bubbatate | 54316 | ||
Dear Joe, I did not intentionally ignore you.......I'm having a hard time keeping track of who's on first etc......I simply lost you temporarily....thanks for getting back. I never intended to imply that the Y'shua was not the Passover Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.....the OT blood sacrifice teachings prepared us to accept that future reality. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb....Bub |
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17 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 52913 | ||
Dear 4 me, Parts 2 and 3 (I got long winded) of my response have shown up but it seems part one has not….so I’m repeating it here. I’m a neophyte to the Forum so I have no idea where part one got to. So here goes again. I Hope you’ll be able to get the whole package. I just tried to post this and it's too long, so this will be a two parter. I'm too detail oriented for this. Anyway...this is the beginning of the original note: I would like to expand further on the “answer you like”, which was excellent. What is the “truth and wisdom” we need? What is “His way” and “His authority” to which we must submit? First of all….what does the LORD say about His Spirit? That would be the first thing one would search out in contemplating a “Holy Spirit” dilemma. The LORD tells us exactly how His Spirit operates in Eze 36:26-27. I have always found it odd that I never heard a preacher quote Eze 36:26-27 when expounding on the Holy Spirit. I did see it quoted on the Forum but the quoter stopped with “follow my decrees” and omitted the last part, “and be careful to keep my laws”. My guess is that the offensive word “laws” must be avoided at all cost….just a guess. Eze 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27: And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. (Affirmed in Rev 14:2.) Eze 11:19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. 20: Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God. (Affirmed in Rev 21:3.) This the very essence of being “born again”? (See Jn 3:8 below). “Born again” is synonymous with “Born of the Spirit”. Jn 3:3 In reply Y’shua declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again……7: You should not be surprised at my saying, You must be born again. 8: The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." |
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18 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53381 | ||
Johnny......In response to your statement, "Me I am a Christian, as I said everything that moses taught that Jesus dont teach anymore I will not obey. But all the teaching that moses taught, and Christ continue taught I will obey that." Moses taught that bestiality is a no-no......Y'shua did not......does that mean it's ok? It makes your above comment seem very foolish. Sorry......Bub |
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19 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53383 | ||
Dear Steve: Re your comment, "We are to walk in the Torah as Yeshua did." Not so. We are released from the law. Are you denying I Jn 2:6....."walk as Y'shua did"? 1Jn 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Y'shua did. Thanks.....Bub |
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20 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53393 | ||
Dear Simchat…….I have been looking forward daily to your postings….I find them both fascinating and scholarly. I have been studying our “Jewish Roots” for about five years so what you are saying is not totally foreign to me. It was a Jewish/Christian speaking at my church who motivated me to look into the Jewishness of Y’shua, the apostles, and in fact, the entire first generation of believers…..they were all Jewish, or gentiles who converted from paganism to Judaism. I have tried to analyze everything in that light, as who is more reliable as our role models than those who were originally on the scene? A lot of Bible teachers send us back to the “early church fathers” to see what things were like, but even they in most cases were far removed in years from the original band of our “early Jewish fathers”. I thought your explanation on “Torah” (copied below) was absolutely wonderful…..I looked up “Torah” in Strong’s a long time ago…..and wondered why it was translated as “law” instead of “teaching”….this has led to many problems. I have also long thought that “Torah” was what Y’shua was speaking of when He spoke of “the will of My Father”…..what else could it be? Your comments on Torah: “Many confuse the term Torah with Law, the Hebrew word does not mean law but teachings. The translation into Law is a result of the use of the Greek word nomos to translate Torah. The term law brings a negative view of Torah rather than a positive view as it should be. Law is the rules of a government binding on the people where violation is punished. Torah is the teachings of a parent to his children where violation is disciplined. Within Law there is no room for growth. Torah allows for growth. A child grows and learns how to take care of his responsibilities, just as we are to in the Torah.” I have come to look at Torah in a manner similar to a mother putting a check off list on the refrigerator for her child……..Did you remember to: Make your bed Brush your teeth Wash behind your ears There comes a time when the list is no longer necessary……the child does it automatically for the rest of his life without even thinking……..however, before that point the child may need a little “motivating”………(can “time out” be equated to “the exile”? Insert smiley face here.) This is how I view “the Torah in one’s heart”……..it’s your way of life…….not a list that you have to agonize over. A pastor once told me, “We don’t have to do Torah because it’s in our hearts.” This made about as much sense to me as a husband saying to his wife, “I’m leaving you for my secretary but you will always be in my heart.” (ooooooooohhhhhh……could this be some insight into, “you have left your first love”?). And there are the other statements I’ve heard many times (including from the pulpit)…..”We don’t have to do the Torah because Jesus did it for us.”……or “Jesus performed the Torah perfectly so we don’t have to do it.” Do these make sense? I have learned to carefully discern things that are said, including preachers……there was a time when I would have turned around and quoted the same nonsense to someone else……not any more……that’s how bad theology gets passed around and ends up etched in stone. Thanks again for sharing the fruits of your studies………Bub P.S. to those on the Forum who would like a heads up on Jewish roots……check out “God’s Grand Strategy: Going Back to our Original Jewish Roots” at : www.revivalnet.org/Beit_Shalom/strategy.htm. |
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