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121 | Did Adam die lost? | Genesis | There | 12823 | ||
That would be kind of like saying who taught Abraham, wouldn't it? According to the bible, it was not his idolatrous parents (Joshua 24:2) that taught Abraham about the true God. But since Shem (Noah's son) was still alive at the time of Abraham (Shem died about 30 years after Abraham died), he may have learned from Shem?? But even more likely is that after God "read" Abraham's heart, He "revealed Himself" to Abraham. As to Adam. In Romans and Hebrews when Paul speaks about those who in ancient days were saved by faith -- he never mentions Adam. It begins with faithful Abel. Perhaps there is a reason? |
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122 | computers... | Revelation | There | 12697 | ||
Thanks for the info Ed. I'd heard that on the 10 o'clock news... should have known better than to believe it I guess. :) | ||||||
123 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12333 | ||
Hi Norrie, I've been to "pentecostal" churches, and still belong to one. I have no problem with the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. I believe that tongues, prophecy, etc. are from the Holy Spirit except for the few times when people were "in the flesh" as EdB says. (And yes, when the Lord lets me know that a manifestation is "of the flesh", I do talk to the person about it, and it is generally received with gratitude.) I don't think the problem talking about slain in the spirit came up until I asked/suggested that slain in the spirit may be a manifestation of the "angel of light" mimicking God. I know quite a few people that have been "slain in the spirit" and at one time attended a church where that was a regular occurrence. And just as I've heard on this forum, some claimed it was genuine, and others were definitely pushed and/or had gotten into the habit of falling every Sunday yet were not effected in their every day life by a renewal of any sorts from God. Those last people mentioned that themselves, it isn't a "judgment" on my part. They basically said they were waiting for God to do something MORE, so kept falling in the hope that "the annointing" would eventually truly fall on them. As I've said before I too believe God COULD be the one doing this, because God can do anything He wants to do. But that does not mean that everything IS from God simply because it IS a spiritual manifestation. Many modern day prophecies coming from strong Christian men and women have fallen far short of truth. Because they are godly men and women, do we still, after the prophecy is proven to be a lie, do we still say it is OF GOD? I don't think so. That isn't to say that the gift of prophecy is not of God, because God tells us that is a gift from Him. But we are to test the spirits to be sure they are from God in this area. And I think we are to do the same, especially when a "manifestation" of any kind is NOT specifically mentioned in the Bible. Perhaps I wasn't saying this very well, and hopefully I don't put my foot in my mouth again here as well, but I believe that because Satan CAN appear as an angel of light, that biblically we have a responsibility to really check out whether spiritual manifestations ARE from God. I think we're warned to do that. Not to simply follow any or all simply because it IS SPIRITUAL. And it is that which prompted my question/comments in the first place. I thank you for your kind spirit. It is refreshing. |
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124 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12332 | ||
JVH0212, I misunderstood EdB concerning his pentecostalism. Because he capitalized the word I made the wrong assumption that he was a member of the United Pentecostal Church. I was not referring to ALL denominations that are pentecostal (have the manifestations of the Holy Spirit). |
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125 | Is telling a lie(all kinds) sin? | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12302 | ||
Well said Nolan. | ||||||
126 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12300 | ||
Accepted. It isn't the subject I find upsetting, but yes, brother, let's quit. | ||||||
127 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12288 | ||
Hi EdB, You said: Don’t you see the dangers of calling something wrong that your not in the position to judge? Whether being “Slain in the Spirit” is of God, manifestation of the flesh, or deception by Satan is not yours to judge. EdB you said much of the time you see it as being acted out "in the flesh". Do you alone have the right to make judgments? You said: Again if it violated any Biblical teaching then yes we could. But in this case nothing is violated, no doctrine is modified, no commandment, precept, statue, teaching, or counsel is jeopardized so what makes it wrong? Since I have read the Articles of Faith of the Pentecostal Church, please show me scripture that says dancing, wearing make-up, theatres, TV, etc. are "evils". Perhaps the log should be taken out of your Pentecostal eye before you start calling names. You said: Other than the fact you don’t like and that my friend is being Pharisaical. Actually "Pharisaical" is being 1)like a Pharisee; 2)one who observes the letter but not the spirit of the religious law; 3)hypocritical. And that my friend, is NOT everyone who disagrees with you. |
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128 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12217 | ||
Hi EdB, I'm glad to hear that you stand up when it counts. I say that sincerely. As to what you call my pharisetical tendencies, I'm not even sure that I said it WAS of the devil, but I do think it is possible. And apparently you do not think that could even be a possibility by your reaction. And I don't think I necessarily have to prove that the Word speaks against it to recognize that it is not biblical teaching or practice. |
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129 | I guess I'm asking because... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12214 | ||
Hi Nolan, I surely will. There are few things in life that are more enjoyable. |
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130 | I guess I'm asking because... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12212 | ||
Hi Steve, I'm an amateur historian, and I do mean "amateur" and became interested in church history many years ago. The Christian churches today are very unlike those established by the Apostles. Even the governmental structure is different than it was originally. From what I've read the church first had elders (or overseers), which included Peter, Paul and the like. Elders were "older" or "seniors" in the faith, not young men (or young women) trained in religion schools. They were not graded on a credit system, but were approved by their long-standing faith and the fruits of that faith. Something that I find interesting is that many today recognize that women are not to teach men, but it also states in the Bible that the young are to learn from their elders, not the other way around. Bishops in the early church were elder men that visited and inspected the churches (which were in individual homes) to make sure they remained "on track" doctrinally, and in behavior. Another name for this position was "overseer". (This gives new meaning to 1Peter 5:1-4) Deacons were servants or ministers, doing much menial work, such as waiting tables, running errands, having some mental duties also, and as teacher. This person could be either male or female (deacon/deaconess). This position was also called a pastor. These explanations thus far simply cite the meaning of the Greek words used in the Bible. But they give a little different picture of the simple structure within the early church. And at the individual gatherings of the early Christians, the person, who's home held the fellowship, was called the president. He or other elders would read from the memoirs of the Apostles and from the OT for as long as time permitted. The president would then give an admonition and exhortation to imitate those things. Then they would pray together. After the prayer was finished, bread and wine and thanks would be given. Then those two things were distributed to everyone there to eat/drink, and also carried by a deacon to the houses of those who hadn't been able to come to the meeting. Then contributions were taken from those who could afford it and were willing, according to their own freewill (no general tithe amount was set, nor was everyone expected to give). This was given to the president who supplied orphans, widows, prisoners, strangers and all the needy. This was the average way a meeting went. There wasn't a lot of hype, or an image of Christ hanging behind the president of the meeting, nor plush surroundings, nor collections for a building fund, nor people being encouraged to join commitees or to teach the children the next week. It was quite simple really. Probably something like a home Bible study these days without communion and a collection. As to doctrine (instruction (function or information)(the act or the matter), that remained very much unchanged for the first couple hundred years. Then small changes occurred, and later some major doctrinal changes, which caused divisions in the church, and more divisions, until we have the many different denominations that occur today. |
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131 | What is the gospel? | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12203 | ||
I tend to agree with you and JVH0212 in that all of those things are the gospel message, beginning with what Christ has done for all of us. I was asked that the other day and was hoping to find out what you all thought. Thank you. | ||||||
132 | What is the gospel? | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12202 | ||
I wasn't asking for speculation. And if there is no need to write an essay on it, then why did Paul write so much? :) | ||||||
133 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12131 | ||
Hi EdB, I too see the Bible as sort of an "instruction manual" from God on how He wants His creation to work. I'm not talking about "works (fruits)" but a general "how to book" in living His law of love toward Himself and man. One of the "how to's" mentioned in the Book concerns keeping the church pure. If a Christian sees another Christian in sin (works of the flesh in the case we were talking about) the bible says: 1Cor. 5:11-13 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone who named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner -- not even to eat with such a person. For what have I do to with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore put away from yourselves that wicked person." Please note that all the sins Paul lists are sins of the flesh. They fulfill fleshly desires, so one cannot set "idolater" aside as something only God can see. We all recognize that money can be someone's idol. And most of us also realize that power, sex, things, prestige, and self also can become like gods to some of us. So if someone sees their brother in sin, Paul says they are to discontinue fellowship with that person. He is talking to the church, not to non-Christians. And in order to recognize if something is sin, we must make a judgment too. Not to judge their heart (condemn them), but a judgment as to right and wrong. Paul also says "Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother." (1Tim.3:15). Paul does this for a reason. To keep immorality from defiling the church (1Cor 15), and to bring the sinning brother to repentance. Jesus is the one who gives us the order in which we are to deal with brothers who have sinned against us, and it is the proper way to deal with sin in the church also. The man who was committing sexual fornication was to be confronted BY members OF the church most probably using the steps Jesus set forth in Matthew 18. Even though he(the fornicator) was not commiting that sin AGAINST the members that Paul spoke to, they were to admonish that person for his sin. Jesus said in Matt. 18:15-17 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear you, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector." Along with Jesus's words, Paul, Peter, James and John exhort us to admonish one another in a loving manner if we see a brother or sister in sin. The reason is to keep a "little leaven from leavening the whole lump". God didn't intend for His church to follow any thing just because it makes us "feel" spiritual or to make us "look" religious or holy. And accordingly to scripture we are suppose to weed out anything not of God from our midst using the procedure that Jesus set forth. That isn't judging others. That is judging right from wrong. God didn't make us stupid that we could not know the difference between right and wrong. In fact Jesus said "judge righteous judgment" or judge rightly, which means there is definitely SOMETHING we are to judge. Not a person's heart, but whether something is a sin or not would definitely fit in the category of what we are to judge. He didn't want the church -- His church -- polluted with false teachings and practices. God who never changes, of the law which Christ was the fulfillment of, wrote on stone and now writes these things on His children's hearts, "I am the Lord your God... you shall have no other gods before Me... you shall not bow down to them nor serve them..." Worshipping God in the Spirit is one thing. Worshipping Him in the flesh and for the flesh is something entirely different. Paul again states in 1Tim. 5:1 "Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, the younger as sisters, with all purity." And again in 1Tim. 5:18-22. Paul strives for the purity of Christ's church. And I think James' words complete these sayings. James 5:19-20 "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins." |
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134 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12106 | ||
Hi Debbie, Believe it or not I haven't put God into a box. I too know the wondrous power of God in my life and how miraculous He can be. That isn't a blessing belonging to only Pentecostals. I do understand what you are talking about. But you seem to be under the assumption that being "slain in the spirit" although not genuinely biblical IS from God for the most part, or I don't think you would defend the practice at all. So how do you justify this? As to the devil, please remember that I originally referred to satan and antichrist, and the flesh is anti-christ -- the "enemy of Christ" when it strays from godly practices. I wasn't trying to say that the individuals that perform the act are satanic in the sense that they are in a state of possession and thereby controlled by him, i.e. "the devil made me do it", when they are "slain in the spirit" in the flesh as you say. What I am trying to say is that the whole concept of being slain in the spirit possibly originated from satan because it is the type of "mimicking" or mocking of God that satan has always been known for "biblically". He enjoys getting people, especially God's people if possible, to distort God's desires and words and ultimately dishonor God in the process. No the devil is not MAKING anyone do it, people have so chosen to do these things themselves. And since at this point you believe that even a "few" are faking it, have you taken the proper biblical steps in talking with them about their continual practice of sin? Or the elders about this continual practice of sin within your church? |
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135 | How much authority... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12014 | ||
Oh. I thought the "goal" was to tell people about a saving relationship with their Lord and Savior, and to study His Word. | ||||||
136 | Question on spiritual covering? | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 11952 | ||
I would be interested in a scripture that says Shannon is under the authority of a pastor to do good works or to teach good things, unless he is her husband. Then supposedly he could tell her not to have a Bible study. I don't think the Bible states anywhere that a man or a women is under the authority of a pastor in such cases? I believe scripturally married women are under the authority of their husbands (Eph.5:22), and the unmarried and widows are under the authority of God (1Cor.7:11; 7:32; 7:34). And men are under the authority of the "head" which is Christ. Paul tells us to remember those who "rule" over you, and to obey those who "rule" over you, using the various words meaning to either command (with official authority), esteem, have the rule over, stand before, i.e. preside, official authority, or by implication to practice. The general accepted meaning is "to lead". Paul would not have meant for the "body" to be subject to the pastor in these areas, since Peter further explains the elders position as that of a shepherd. Either there was already a problem or Peter foresaw a problem that the elders like himself would attempt to lord over the flock of God. Because Peter exhorts the elders to "feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof... neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock." (1Peter 5:1-4) FEED comes from the word meaning "to tend as a shepherd, or figuritively a supervisor, feed, rule. OVERSIGHT comes from the word meaning "to oversee, by implication to beware, look diligently, take the oversight". LORDS comes from the word meaning "to lord against, i.e. control, subjugate, exercise dominion over, be lord over, overcome". ENSAMPLE comes from the word meaning "to die (as struck), i.e. a statue, figuratively style, or resemblance; specifically a sampler ("type"), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning. And Titus 2:3 says "the aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things..." TEACHER-OF-GOOD-THINGS comes from one word kalodidaskalos meaning "a teacher of the right" or "a teacher of good things". |
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137 | Are the Jews still the chosen people? | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 11919 | ||
Descendants of Judah are Judahites or Jews. Descendandts of Jacob/Israel are Israelites. Descendants of Eber are Hebrews (Abraham's descendants were called Hebrews). Today we tend to call all of the above "Jews" even though they weren't. A Gentile is anyone who is not a practicing Jew in the religious sense [which also included some Israelites, some descendants of Abraham, and those descended from Ham and Japheth (sons of Noah)]. God's promises were given to Abraham and those who are his spiritual descendants or "the children of promise". The "children of promise" are those of faith down through the generations, regardless of blood lineage. Paul says that Israel (meaning all 12 tribes of Israel, including those of Judah) rejected the Messiah. Paul also states that "all Israel will be saved". But that Israel Paul speaks of are only those of faith. And they are God's "chosen people". Romans 9:6 "... For they are not all Israel who are of Israel." Romans 9:7 "nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham..." Romans 11:1-5 "I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.... But what does the divine say 'I have reverved a remnant for Myself' ... at the present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." (Isaiah 59:20 "'The Redeemer will come to Zion, and (come) to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,' says the Lord.") Romans 11:26 "And so all Israel will be saved..." God's chosen people, Israel, are those of faith. |
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138 | How much submitting must a woman do? | 1 Corinthians | There | 11632 | ||
Norrie, If the man says he's a Christian, then he certainly doesn't understand the meaning of the word. God intended for a husband to love his wife in much the same way that Christ loves His church. He either has no understanding of Christ's love or is simply in rebellion against the truth. If her (or her children's?) lives are in danger she should leave. But depending on the severity of the abuse, perhaps this is something she could speak to her church elders about and they could counsel the husband. Many times that type of husband doesn't want the wife involved in a church or in any long-term (close) friendships because he fears she will eventually confide in someone about the abuse. Having the courage to tell someone is difficult. Taking responsiblity for her life (and her children's?) will not be easy if the abuse is extreme. She will fear the repercussions if he finds out, and of course he will if it is to be stopped. There is very little difference between physical and emotional abuse in the extreme, except that phyical abuse heals faster. Severe emotional abuse alone can many times demean a woman into believing she must stay, and then two things happen. 1)She begins to believe herself that she deserves this type of treatment and when physical abuse begins seems acceptable to her; and 2)Eventually through example she and the husband teach their children that women deserve to be treated badly. And if children are involved, the lessons can carry on through a child's life into adulthood, where it is usually repeated again and again. Most women, even Christian women, seem to carry on even in severe abusive relationships until the physical abuse peaks and they see death as imminent, or until they see the emotional abuse causing immense pain or extremely harmful behavioral changes in their children. Personally I've found that when children are raised under these conditions, it seems very hard for them to accept God's love, but rather expect Him to be a God of punishment. Someone waiting in the wings for them to mess up so He can hurt them for being bad. Hopefully the wife will seek godly counseling and bring it to light. Kept hidden, nothing will change except for the worse. |
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