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1801 | "Who am I?" How important is it? | 1 Chr 17:16 | Ray | 12545 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for your input. Can you also compare Deut 5:7 with 1Chronicles 17:20 to determine any reason why the Hebrew would require any capital "G". Right now we have both lower and upper cases translated and I am asking what Hebrew differences are present. Thanks again. Later, Ray |
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1802 | "Who am I?" How important is it? | 1 Chr 17:16 | Ray | 12533 | ||
Dear people, Please realize that I am not recommending any word changes here in this thread. What I hoped to do and have accomplished I believe is for all of you to recognize the importance of knowing the difference between a god and the God whom we serve. I appreciate all of your listening to me these months and putting up with my "obsession". Please be assured that I am not expressing anything against the Greek or Hebrew texts but am only interpreting the words through capitalization. In this regard I would like Nolan or anyone knowledgeable in the Hebrew to compare this 1 Samuel passage with its "elohiym" and Deuteronomy 5:7 "You shall have no other gods before Me." My NASB Study Bible has a note that "before" could be "besides". Thanks for your interest and continued study. |
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1803 | Does John 1:1 say there are two Gods? | 1 Chr 17:16 | Ray | 12347 | ||
Hi Steve, I don't know why you insist on inferring that I believe the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses where they say that the Word was a god. I do not believe that. Please tell me the translation for I would love to find one that doesn't change on me. I went through the NASB and then they came out with a new copyright and I have to study it all over again.:) What is the translation and when was it copyrighted? |
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1804 | "Who am I?" How important is it? | 1 Chr 17:16 | Ray | 12346 | ||
Hi Joe, To my mind, capitalization of Deity is a must.:) You can leave other deities and gods in lower case. I can't think of any references of "God's deity" so that shouldn't be a problem for us. In fact, because of your capitalization of pronouns concerning the Holy Spirit and His work I can know that you are a believer. (Along with your words of hundreds of posts here on the forum.) The Hebrew is in ALL CAPITALS. Capitalization of Deity is not a problem there. What it does allow for is the capitalization of MAN. And to me that is very important when we now look at the Man, the Lord Jesus Christ; as we look at the Son of David, and the Son of Man. I believe that Jesus taught His disciples from the OT scriptures often. And they were fulfilled as He spoke, lived, and died. The disciples were called in the Greek "mathtas" and called Christians in Antioch. Acts 11:26. The Greek word gives us our word math and mathematics. For this reason I am not concerned about counting to three and even to nine for that matter.:) I've said in other places and I'll say it here; that we have come to know God accurately through the ages without capitalization in our scriptures, but I believe we can know scriptures and the way of God "more accurately" with capitalization. |
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1805 | "Who am I?" How important is it? | 1 Chr 17:16 | Ray | 12309 | ||
Hi Joe, My point is that we need our translators to be consistent in their interpretation as far as capitalization is concerned. My preference has nothing to do with it for God is God. He deserves the honor that capitalization gives Him. If we do not at least in our minds capitalize His name then we are denying His Deity. If we don't know that God is a Spirit then we are worshiping angels. I believe that at some time in the future we will be able to look at scriptures and compare them and we will have no need of commentaries. I say this in the sense that we will know God and what He is saying without extra information from someone else. Other information will be of interest but I'm talking of knowing God. In other words, if we had a correct translation of John 1:1 for the Jehovah's Witness and their god they could be shown John 7:63 "the words I spoke to you are spirit and life, or John 12:48 "the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day." So you see,this is God's word, and we are to know Him. And let me assure you that He is not a god. If you think that God does not know mathematics nor scientific nor pretty good with speaking and writing words, then you do not your Creator. A study about hearing the words of God could be understood using basic mathematics. Our Lord's name for His followers was "disciple" as in the disciple of math; and they were indeed given esoteric knowledge from the Scriptures, I believe. |
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1806 | "Who am I?" How important is it? | 1 Chr 17:16 | Ray | 12291 | ||
Hi Joe, Thanks for your responses. I'll answer this copy even though its a later copy. The Hebrew also had different manuscripts which translators use. And they were all very close copies were they not? I have read and compared all the references suggested throughout the years. I started in the Gospel of John. The entire book's pronouns can be divisible by three. It is in the comparisons of scripture to scripture that the books come alive. I looked at the Jehovah's Witness scriptures in the book of John. It reads "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." What do you think? Is capitalization important for interpretation or not? Don't concern yourself about calling me a lunatic; my wife has been doing that for years.:) |
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1807 | "Who am I?" How important is it? | 1 Chr 17:16 | Ray | 12278 | ||
Steve, Please don't YELL at me.:) Thanks for the response. I can only say on my defense, "How many copyrights do your favorite translations of the Bible have?" | ||||||
1808 | "and there is is none besides You." OK? | 2 Sam 7:22 | Ray | 12269 | ||
Hi Nolan, It's great thinking of these things with you. Two things before I continue. You had said from your sources, that the plural and the article were factors for the upper case translation but you mentioned lowercase in your last post. Also, you mentioned "no" as an article; which I question. When I think of a no god I think of no god at all. Exodus 20 says "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." It would be interesting to look at the times where it is written "Besides Me there is no God" and compare it to our verse here from 2Samuel. 2 Samuel 7:22 should also be compared to 1 Chronicles 17:20 where this same prayer is recorded. In fact Nolan, you are familiar with my "brain teaser"; take a look at these prayers along with John 17. Another passage that I looked at originally was Isaiah 45:21 and the context in the verse before it was about praying to a god who cannot save. Thus, I would not be surprised if this "no other god besides Me" would also be appropritate. And also we cannot save ourselves for continuing in Isaiah 47:8-10 we find those who say in their hearts and in their security, "I am, and there is no one besides me." |
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1809 | "and there is is none besides You." OK? | 2 Sam 7:22 | Ray | 12246 | ||
Hi Nolan, You got my hopes up there for a minute by your "Yes Ray". You mean however that yes there are some scholars out there rather than "yes, my interpretation is OK." Thanks for your work here for me. The question that I need to ask according to the information that you gave me is "Does elohim have the plural and the article necessary for it to be interpreted the supreme God?"in this 2Samuel passage? The people in the passage had heard over and over that there is no other, there is none else; now here in this verse, 2 Samuel 7:22 they are to interpret by the use of their ears. If it were to be capitalized I would have to see it. |
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1810 | "and there is is none besides You." OK? | 2 Sam 7:22 | Ray | 12168 | ||
I have been comparing Deuteronomy 4:35, 2Samuel 7:22, Isaiah 45:21, and Mark 12:32 in the NASB. I also compared Isaiah 43:11 with Savior capitalized to Mark 12:32. By the way, Savior is capitalized many times as in Isa.43:3 and 49:26. It is this study that leads to this question; for I would like to interpret 2 Samuel 7:22b as "and there is no god (no other)(no one else) besides You." Are there any scholars out there who could give any reason for necessarily capitalizing "and there is no God besides You, according to all we have heard with our ears." |
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1811 | What is our sacrifice of praise to God? | Heb 13:15 | Ray | 11730 | ||
Hi glory777, Thanksgiving and being thankful is important for this verse for sure. Another verse that goes along with it is Hebrews 12:28, "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe;..." God wants us to come to Him with words of praise and confession. One of the references in the Study Bible has Hosea 14:2. "Take words with you and return to the Lord. Say to Him, "Take away all iniquity, And receive us graciously, That we may present the fruit of our lips." If it was paraphrased with an optional reading from the NASB and an ending from the NKJ it could read, "Take away all iniquity, And accept that which is good, For we will offer the sacrifices of our lips." Another optional reading of Hebrews 13:15 from the Study Bible would read, "confess thanks". Even if we don't feel in the mood of praise, if we confess our iniquity and return to the Lord as Hosea says, then we are praising Him in thanksgiving. Another word that I see in these passages is "through". We are seeking a lasting ciy, Heb 13:14, we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, Heb 12:28; "through Him* then,"... 1Peter 2:5 is referenced, "to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.*" And another verse that is of interest is 1Peter 1:22, "Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through* the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again,..." NKJ The God of peace is "working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through* Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen." Hebrews 13:21 |
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1812 | son of man | John 10:29 | Ray | 11708 | ||
Hi Steve, Is the article "the" a particular sign of Deity then? I believe that the Son of Man is spoken of here in the Psalm 8:4 passage that you referenced and the Hebrews 2:6 that I spoke of earlier. I am not sure, however, that the article is the determining factor. I think that the context provides the key. For an example of the importance of the article, I'm thinking of when the spirit took Phillip away after this man spoke to the Ethiopian. Would the introduction of an article there prove that it was the Spirit, in other words, Holy Spirit that snatched him away? I don't believe so, for spirit refers back to a spirit from an earlier verse. See Acts 8:29 and 39 |
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1813 | son of man | John 10:29 | Ray | 11601 | ||
Hi Steve, You gave an example of the article "the". Can you elaborate, please. | ||||||
1814 | Does anyone have a Bible question? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 11427 | ||
Hi, TOFT, Sorry about getting your name wrong in our introductions. I do hope to get to know you better. I believe that your second question is important; perhaps you can add a note at that site about "knowing" that one is saved. | ||||||
1815 | Does anyone have a Bible question? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 11339 | ||
Hi JVH, Nolan made a good response and I hope that LOFT will make more than one post before he claims to be number one question answerer. LOFT, These guys have made thousands of contributions. Don't be scared off to yourself by a response to your post. Really, we all can get along real well once we get to know each other. | ||||||
1816 | son of man | John 10:29 | Ray | 11289 | ||
Hi Steve, The only knowledge of Greek that I have is that it is all in capital letters so basically capitalization is up to interpretation by the translators. I am interested in your reference to Psalm 8:4 and your statement that Him might be capitalized if "the" precedes the phrase. Which Him of verse 4 are you talking about? This is how I "interpret" Psalm 8:4 and basically Numbers 23:19, and Heb 2:6. I see a switch in thought from man to the Son of Man. "What is man, that Thou dost care for him? And the Son of Man, that Thou dost care for Him? Yet Thou hast made Him a little lower than God (the angels), And dost crown Him with glory and majesty! Thou dost make Him to rule over the works of Thy hands; Thou has put all things under His feet." If this Psalm is saying that "man" has all this authority on earth, why does it end "O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Your name in all the earth!" |
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1817 | Choosing a Bible translation | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 10778 | ||
Hi Hank, I appreciate your joke about the read Bible. I'd also like to say that I got the joke about the fire-fighting kings who came from a far. That was a good one, too. I tried to make a post that didn't include capitalization, but Nolan had to change that.:-) I think the most significant thing for understanding the scriptures would be to choose a translation that capitalizes Deity. |
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1818 | Choosing a Bible translation | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 10703 | ||
Hi Hank, Whatever translation one chooses, it should be purchased to be read. It should be age-appropriate; perhaps with pictures and paraphrased for kids, giant print for the older person. I hate to see gift Bibles with a small print for I just know that they will not be read. | ||||||
1819 | Despised the day of small things? | Zech 4:10 | Ray | 10476 | ||
Hi Nolan, There are only a few more capitalization possibilities for the book of Zechariah. The NKJ capitalizes King in 9:9 and 14:9 along with the NASB in 14:17. The NKJ capitalizes the Man and the Shepherd in 13:7. There are three additional upper case pronouns in my personal copy. I capitalize the Shepherd of Zech 10:2. "They are afflicted, because there is no Shepherd. My anger is kindled against the shepherds,..." And, finally, in 14:9 counting two additional pronouns along with the King. "And the Lord will be (King) over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only One, and His name the only One." He is greatly to be praised. If you're not tired of looking at capitalization you can go to the Quick Search for brain teaser. |
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1820 | Despised the day of small things? | Zech 4:10 | Ray | 10430 | ||
Hi Nolan, Have you noticed how many times Zechariah speaks about the (Lord) of hosts. There should be many dwelling in the City of Truth. Zech 8:3 Personally, for Zechariah I lean toward the NKJ version with its Servant and the Man, Branch. I lean toward the Angel also. Have you considered my "brain teaser" of John 17-Malachi? By the way, give me a more indepth reason for not capitalizing Me in Zechariah 6:15; for I see it referring directly back to verse 12 and a (Man) whose name is Branch. For it is He who will build the temple of the Lord. |
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