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501 | Gen.6:2"sons of God"... | Gen 6:2 | Radioman2 | 83821 | ||
Best Online Resources for Bible Q and A Sammy Sonshine: Following is a list of the websites I have found to be the most helpful and useful in researching the Bible and looking for answers. It is a good place to start. There are many other good Bible websites. These are the ones I use most frequently: Bible Study Tools. Always start with this website. It contains a CONCORDANCE and many other Bible Study Tools, including: Online Study Bible, Bible In A Year, Interlinear Bible, Parallel Bible, Commentaries, Dictionaries, Encyclopedias, Lexicons, and 21 different English Bible translations. (http://bible.crosswalk.com/) "BibleGateway.com, a free service for reading and researching scripture online-- all in the language or translation of your choice! [Included are] advanced searching capabilities based on keywords or scripture references, and various tools to enhance your study of the Bible." (http://www.biblegateway.com/) Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (www.carm.org) Christian Research Institute (www.equip.org) The NET Bible Online. Try it, you'll like it. The NET Bible contains 57,875 translators' notes and study notes. (http://www.bible.org/index.htm) Answers to Tough Questions (http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/questions/) Grace to You (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/) Stand to Reason (www.str.org) Merriam-Webster OnLine (www.m-w.com/dictionary) The Blue Letter Bible (www.blueletterbible.org/index.html) Grace and peace, Radioman2 :-) |
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502 | Was Melchesedek Jesus ? | Gen 14:1 | Radioman2 | 83791 | ||
Acts 22: Thank you for your mention of Peninsula Bible Church. I just now went to their website and liked what I found there. Their statement of beliefs is sound Bible doctrine. It looks as though this site offers much good information that is easily accessed. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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503 | spiritual wierdness | Rom 11:6 | Radioman2 | 83766 | ||
Sammy: Your apology is accepted though unnecessary. There's nothing to forgive. No problem. Welcome to the forum! One word of caution: On this forum, always be a Berean. Whatever you read here, check it out for yourself to see if it's in the Bible. If it doesn't line up with God's Word, then it's probably speculation or worse. Don't believe it. Welcome aboard, Radioman2 |
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504 | Is Satan ruler over the earth? | Ps 24:1 | Radioman2 | 83744 | ||
Deliverance Ministries 'DELIVER US FROM DELIVERANCE MINISTRIES' 'Some of the teaching on spiritual warfare proliferating today is biblically sound, but most is of decidedly mixed value.15 Sensationalistic teachings are replacing traditional evangelical doctrine regarding the Christian’s battle with the Devil. Such doctrine always emphasized the protection Christ brings into the life of a believer, the defeat of the Devil by the preaching of the gospel, and the believer’s victory through growth in sanctification. Evangelicals consistently taught that a Christian defeats Satan by submitting to God and resisting satanic temptation. Spiritual warfare was thought of as moral warfare — the armor of God consisting of those moral qualities that the Holy Spirit produces in a believer’s life. The Christian was understood to be “victorious” over Satan by remaining faithful to God despite all satanic oppression and temptation. 'There is a grave danger in the syndrome which sees a demon behind every problem in a believer’s life. This mindset obscures our moral responsibility to walk in righteousness, and to “mortify the deeds of the body” (Rom. 8:13). The Bible never identifies sins such as lust, anger, and pride as spirits16 but rather as “deeds of the flesh.” It instructs us to “put them all aside” (Col. 2:8), never to cast them out. If we “walk by the Spirit” we “will not carry out the desire of the flesh” (Gal. 5:16). 'Certainly, the demonic realm works in concert with our flesh and serves to exacerbate its desires in an attempt to provoke us to sin. But this is demonic temptation or oppression, not demonic possession. It is an assault from outside that the believer is well equipped to resist and overcome (Eph. 6:10-18). 'What about testimonials of Christian lives being made victorious through deliverance ministry? Even as Christians who believe in the erroneous “healing in the Atonement” doctrine might still be healed because they trusted Jesus for their healing, so Christians who learn to trust Jesus for victory over the Devil can experience victory, even if they erroneously believe they were delivered of demons. But we have often found such misinterpreted victory to be fleeting (as in the story of “Carl”), thus leading to a troubling dependence on deliverance ministry. 'The teaching that Christians can be demonized turns our attention from God to Satan. It can inspire fear in the believer where he or she should experience confidence in Christ As noted, it often makes believers dependent on those with deliverance ministries to protect them from demons. It fosters a spiritualistic superstition that distracts the believer from both proclaiming the gospel and from personal growth in sanctification. 'Perhaps the greatest danger lies in its methodology in determining truth. For, as we saw above, those who teach that a Christian can be inhabited by a demon place their experience above the teaching of Scripture and deny the sufficiency of Scripture in the process. Once the church allows subjective experience to replace the objective test of Scripture on one issue, a precedent will be set for future issues. A theological Pandora’s box will have been opened, leading to an epidemic of superstition and doctrinal deterioration. 'We have seen, however, that Scripture never teaches that a Christian can be inhabited by a demon. Nor does it teach that there is any spiritual problem for which a Christian should undergo an exorcism. Therefore, we can confidently rest in the victory Christ has won over the demonic forces and we can trust God’s resources in our battle against the world, the flesh, and the Devil. May God deliver us from this specious and divisive teaching, and may we use our spiritual resources in Christ and retain the sound teaching of our evangelical heritage.' ____________________ Excerpt from 'Can a Christian Be “Demonized”?' by Brent Grimsley and Elliot Miller (To read more go to: http://www.equip.org/free/DD075.htm) |
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505 | Is Satan ruler over the earth? | Ps 24:1 | Radioman2 | 83743 | ||
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506 | Is Satan ruler over the earth? | Ps 24:1 | Radioman2 | 83742 | ||
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507 | Keep from Getting Spiritually Weird | 1 Tim 4:16 | Radioman2 | 83723 | ||
"How to Keep from Getting Spiritually Weird" Guidelines to keep you from getting "way out there." 'One of my students observed that a whole lot of folks who have gone spiritually weird seemed to start out great, but their lives as honorable Christians ended early. They found themselves unequipped to deal with the hardship and tribulation that inevitably faces every believer. They'd become ineffectual and disenchanted Christians. 'Others are not sunk but hardship, but by success. At the pinnacle of their ministries they get involved in sexual immorality, misappropriate funds, or simply turn into jerks, bringing shame on the cross of Christ. They become disbarred Christian leaders expelled from the Christian community. Sometimes they even find themselves in prison. 'Sometimes they never get caught or corrected, and in a way that's worse, because they quietly teach views that in the long run don't bring maturity and completeness in Christ, but actually prolong spiritual adolescence, even though these teachers come across as spiritually profound. 'So this student asked a very simple but important question: "How do you survive in the long haul as a Christian?" In other words, how do you keep from getting spiritually weird? 'So I've put some time and thought into it and I'm going to suggest a few things I think can make a difference. 'First, what kind of people get spiritually weird? People who are looking for quick fixes frequently get weird. 'It seems like every couple of years a new fad comes down the pike promising a, deeper richer, fuller, Christian life. If you've been around for a while you know what I mean. In my twenty years as a Christian we've had Power in praise; the "second blessing" as key to the powerful Christian life; . . . heavy-handed submission to church leadership; binding, loosing and rebuking of demons, name it and claim it, the School of the Prophets, hearing the voice of God, power evangelism. These are all fads, ladies and gentlemen, evangelical joy-toys. They each may emphasize something that has biblical merit, but they do so in an unbalanced way, and each fails utterly as a panacea, as the one particular and principle thing that makes your Christian life "work." 'It is uniquely American to want an easy way out, especially a way out that is not painful and requires no work. That American value has crept into our American Christianity. So we have these seminars to get it all taken care of in a weekend. Want mental health? Get hands laid on you and you'll have mental health overnight. Want spirituality? Have a vision, get the baptism, . . . Want your problems to disappear? Simply praise the Lord. Want to be rid of temptation and sin? Have the demon cast out. Want to be done with the aggravation of decision making? Let God speak to you. 'Instead of being devoted to developing spiritual maturity and attaining Scriptural knowledge, we want the quick fix. Instead of developing mastery, we want magic. Instead of learning our lessons, we want the master sitting next to us during the tests of life whispering His answers into our ears. We anticipate an A in the exam of life not because we know the material, not because we've mastered the content and it's become a part of us, but because we've cheated. 'You will notice, by the way, that these extreme things do not stay around long, and that the effects of these fads fade over time. That's why the church as a whole has to move on to its next fast-fix. ____________________ "How to Keep from Getting Spiritually Weird" by Gregory Koukl. This is a transcript of a commentary from the radio show "Stand to Reason," with Gregory Koukl. For more information, contact Stand to Reason at (www.str.org) |
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508 | He has been here all the time! | Ps 46:2 | Radioman2 | 83717 | ||
God’s presence -- a simple awareness of it or an understanding of the reality of it? ------------- "not the consciousness of God's presence but the reality of it" ------------- 'When we are in an unhealthy condition either physically or emotionally, we always look for thrills in life. In our physical life this leads to our efforts to counterfeit the work of the Holy Spirit; in our emotional life it leads to obsessions and to the destruction of our morality; and in our spiritual life, if we insist on pursuing only thrills, on mounting up "with wings like eagles" ( Isaiah 40:31 ), it will result in the destruction of our spirituality. 'Having the reality of God’s presence is not dependent on our being in a particular circumstance or place, but is only dependent on our determination to keep the Lord before us continually. Our problems arise when we refuse to place our trust in the reality of His presence. The experience the psalmist speaks of—"We will not fear, even though . . ." ( Psalm 46:2 )— will be ours once we are grounded on the truth of the reality of God’s presence, not just a simple awareness of it, but an understanding of the reality of it. Then we will exclaim, "He has been here all the time!"' (www.gospelcom.net/rbc/utmost/devo/07-20.shtml) |
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509 | Is Satan ruler over the earth? | Ps 24:1 | Radioman2 | 83714 | ||
Is Satan ruler over the earth? - - - - - - - - - - - - - '...the popular conception that Satan took possession of the “title deed to the earth” is without biblical warrant.' - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'OVERSTATING SATAN’S AUTHORITY - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The Bible does not say - as Anderson represents - that Satan is ruler over the earth (Greek: ge), but rather over this world (Greek: kosmos) or age (Greek: aion)." - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'One of the reasons Satan looms so large in [Neil T.] Anderson’s worldview is his misunderstanding of biblical teaching that Satan is the “god” and “ruler” of this world. 'Anderson’s exposition . . . sounds close enough to what Christians commonly believe that it may not raise many eyebrows. Nonetheless, it contains several faulty interpretations that lead to an unbiblical view of both the authority of Satan and the authority of the believer: '1. Anderson states that Adam’s authority was transferred to Satan, but the popular conception that Satan took possession of the “title deed to the earth” is without biblical warrant. Adam’s rulership was over the natural world; Satan’s rulership is over the fallen angels and lost humanity. The Bible does not say — as Anderson represents — that Satan is ruler over the earth (Greek: ge [Strong's #1093]), but rather over this world (Greek: kosmos) or age (Greek: aion). As a theologian, Anderson should know that these terms, when used in relation to Satan, refer to the present dark spiritual system in which humanity blindly participates (e.g., 2 Cor. 4:4; Eph. 2:2; 6:12). If Satan’s offer to Jesus of the kingdoms of the world was genuine, it was because their rulers were under his behind-the-scenes direction (1 John 5:19). He could not, however, offer Him the physical earth, since that has always belonged to God (e.g., Exod. 19:5; Deut. 10:14; Ps. 24:1; 1 Cor. 10:26). '2. Anderson further equates the dominion given by God to Adam over the animals (Gen. 1:28) with the authority given by Christ to His disciples over evil spirits (Matt. 10:1; Luke 10:17-20), but there is no biblical reason to think they are the same authority. The “significant dominion Adam exercised before the fall” has not yet been restored to redeemed man (Heb. 2:8). '3. The idea that Satan has a legal claim to man is almost as difficult to prove biblically as the idea that he has a legal claim to the earth. It can be said that by inciting man to rebel against God’s authority, Satan tricked him into falling prisoner to the law of sin and death. Then, as man plunged into darkness, he became easily manipulated by the prince of darkness — but this would seem to be a rule by default. Although Scripture indicates that Satan’s authority over angels was once legitimate (Jude 8-9), it nowhere explicitly states that his rule over man is by legal right, and it is doubtful that it even implicitly does so.18 '4. Although Jesus does say in Matthew 28:18 that all authority has been handed over to Him, He does not hand that authority carte blanche over to believers. Rather, on the basis of that authority, He commissions them to go and make disciples of all the nations, and for that work He delegates to them the authority to do a limited number of things (e.g., remit sins — John 20:21-23). Furthermore, 1 John 3:8 (“The Son of God appeared...to destroy the devil’s work”) does not speak of believers, as Anderson suggests. The devil’s work was destroyed once-and-for-all on the cross (John 12:31; Col. 2:15).' ____________________ STATEMENT DA082 The Bondage Maker: Examining the Message and Method of Neil T. Anderson (Part Two: Spiritual Warfare And The “Truth Encounter”) by Elliot Miller To read more go to: (http://www.equip.org/free/DA082.htm) |
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510 | Why use the ambiguous word "Temperate"? | 1 Tim 3:2 | Radioman2 | 83693 | ||
nephaleos (Strong's# 3524) "Definition "1. sober, temperate "a. abstaining from wine, either entirely or at least from its immoderate use" ____________________ The New Testament Greek Lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary plus others; this is keyed to the large Kittel and the "Theological Dictionary of the New Testament." These files are public domain. (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/) |
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511 | Is Satan ruler over the earth? | Ps 24:1 | Radioman2 | 83660 | ||
Is Satan ruler over the earth? - - - - - - - - - - - - - '...the popular conception that Satan took possession of the “title deed to the earth” is without biblical warrant.' - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'OVERSTATING SATAN’S AUTHORITY - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The Bible does not say - as Anderson represents - that Satan is ruler over the earth (Greek: ge), but rather over this world (Greek: kosmos) or age (Greek: aion)." - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'One of the reasons Satan looms so large in [Neil T.] Anderson’s worldview is his misunderstanding of biblical teaching that Satan is the “god” and “ruler” of this world. 'Anderson’s exposition . . . sounds close enough to what Christians commonly believe that it may not raise many eyebrows. Nonetheless, it contains several faulty interpretations that lead to an unbiblical view of both the authority of Satan and the authority of the believer: '1. Anderson states that Adam’s authority was transferred to Satan, but the popular conception that Satan took possession of the “title deed to the earth” is without biblical warrant. Adam’s rulership was over the natural world; Satan’s rulership is over the fallen angels and lost humanity. The Bible does not say — as Anderson represents — that Satan is ruler over the earth (Greek: ge [Strong's #1093]), but rather over this world (Greek: kosmos) or age (Greek: aion). As a theologian, Anderson should know that these terms, when used in relation to Satan, refer to the present dark spiritual system in which humanity blindly participates (e.g., 2 Cor. 4:4; Eph. 2:2; 6:12). If Satan’s offer to Jesus of the kingdoms of the world was genuine, it was because their rulers were under his behind-the-scenes direction (1 John 5:19). He could not, however, offer Him the physical earth, since that has always belonged to God (e.g., Exod. 19:5; Deut. 10:14; Ps. 24:1; 1 Cor. 10:26). '2. Anderson further equates the dominion given by God to Adam over the animals (Gen. 1:28) with the authority given by Christ to His disciples over evil spirits (Matt. 10:1; Luke 10:17-20), but there is no biblical reason to think they are the same authority. The “significant dominion Adam exercised before the fall” has not yet been restored to redeemed man (Heb. 2:8). '3. The idea that Satan has a legal claim to man is almost as difficult to prove biblically as the idea that he has a legal claim to the earth. It can be said that by inciting man to rebel against God’s authority, Satan tricked him into falling prisoner to the law of sin and death. Then, as man plunged into darkness, he became easily manipulated by the prince of darkness — but this would seem to be a rule by default. Although Scripture indicates that Satan’s authority over angels was once legitimate (Jude 8-9), it nowhere explicitly states that his rule over man is by legal right, and it is doubtful that it even implicitly does so.18 '4. Although Jesus does say in Matthew 28:18 that all authority has been handed over to Him, He does not hand that authority carte blanche over to believers. Rather, on the basis of that authority, He commissions them to go and make disciples of all the nations, and for that work He delegates to them the authority to do a limited number of things (e.g., remit sins — John 20:21-23). Furthermore, 1 John 3:8 (“The Son of God appeared...to destroy the devil’s work”) does not speak of believers, as Anderson suggests. The devil’s work was destroyed once-and-for-all on the cross (John 12:31; Col. 2:15).' ____________________ STATEMENT DA082 The Bondage Maker: Examining the Message and Method of Neil T. Anderson (Part Two: Spiritual Warfare And The “Truth Encounter”) by Elliot Miller To read more go to: (http://www.equip.org/free/DA082.htm) |
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512 | Interpret Jude1:23 - hate sinners shirt | Jude 1:23 | Radioman2 | 83610 | ||
Just Read Mark: I'd like to point out that "autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, uprooted" is used to describe false teachers -- those who "defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities" (Jude verse 8, KJV). Thank you for the beautiful benediction. Likewise, may God richly bless you in all things. Radioman2 |
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513 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83609 | ||
Gracefull: I do believe that the gifts of the Spirit, including the gift of tongues, are still in operation today. I do NOT believe in the cessation of the gifts of the Spirit. I also believe and practice what it says in 1 Corinthians 14:39-40: NASB 1 Corinthians 14 39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. 40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner. NIV 1 Corinthians 14 39 Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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514 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83596 | ||
Gracefull: In all sincerity, I agree with you when you write: "I do not have 'proof' that tongues of angels do exist and are available to us." That's basically what I've been saying, i.e., "there is no biblical teaching of any special angelic language that people could learn to speak." I do appreciate you and your reply. I appreciate your courtesy and many of the points you've made since you started posting to this forum. It is not my intention to be quarrelsome nor to attack you. I submit the following for your consideration. Not saying this is the final word on the subject, merely asking you to consider it. Grace and peace to you, Radioman2 :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - "the tongues of men and of[a] angels," '(a) A very earnest amplifying of the matter, as if he said, "IF THERE WERE ANY TONGUES OF ANGELS, and I had them, and did not use them to the benefit of my neighbour, it would be nothing else except a vain and prattling type of babbling."' (The 1599 Geneva Study Bible. Emphasis added.) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/) - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'and of angels; 'not that angels have tongues in a proper sense, or speak any vocal language, in an audible voice, with articulate sounds; for they are spirits immaterial and incorporeal; though they have an intellectual speech, by which they celebrate the perfections and praises of God, and can discourse with one another, and communicate their minds to each other; see (Isaiah 6:3) (Daniel 8:13). ( . . . ) '[The apostle refers to] the speech of angels, when they have assumed human bodies, and have in them spoke with an audible voice, in articulate sounds; of which we have many instances, both in the Old Testament and the New, wherein they have conversed with divers persons, as Hagar, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Manoah and his wife, the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, and others; 'unless by the tongues of angels should be meant the most eloquent speech, and most excellent of languages; or if there can be thought to be any tongue that exceeds that of men, which, IF ANGELS SPOKE, they would make use of. Just as the face of angels is used, to express the greatest glory and beauty of the face, or countenance, (Acts 6:15) and angels' bread is used for the most excellent food, (Psalms 78:25) . . .' (John Gill's Exposition of the Bible. Emphasis added. This is not the full quote. I've condensed/edited it due to space limitations. To read more go to: http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GillsExpositionoftheBible/) |
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515 | Interpret Jude1:23 - hate sinners shirt | Jude 1:23 | Radioman2 | 83591 | ||
"Be tender with sinners, but not soft on sin." - - - - - - - - - - - - - Just Read Mark: THE MESSAGE "Be tender with sinners, but not soft on sin." I would say this paraphrase gets right to the heart of the meaning of the verse. Also, I find these two translations to be helpful in clarifying the meaning of Jude 1:22-23. GOD'S WORD Translation Jude1 22 Show mercy to those who have doubts. 23 Save others by snatching them from the fire [of hell]. Show mercy to others, even though you are afraid that you might be stained by their sinful lives. New Living Translation (NLT) Jude 1 22 Show mercy to those whose faith is wavering. 23 Rescue others by snatching them from the flames of judgment. There are still others to whom you need to show mercy, but be careful that you aren't contaminated by their sins. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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516 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83589 | ||
The burden of proof is still on you. One cannot prove the negative. What passage of Scripture could one quote to prove that a teaching is NOT in the Bible? On the other hand, if a teaching IS in the Bible, just show us the book, show us the chapter, show us the verse. I say again: The apostle was writing in general HYPOTHETICAL terms. There is NO BIBLICAL TEACHING of any special angelic language that people could learn to speak. (1 Corinthians 13:1 *tongues...of angels.*) Hypothetical. "IF I speak with the tongues of men and of angels..." IF! |
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517 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83585 | ||
1 Corinthians 13:1 *tongues...of angels.* The apostle was writing in general hypothetical terms. There is no biblical teaching of any special angelic language that people could learn to speak. If one asserts that there is such a teaching in the Bible, then the burden of proof is upon the one making the assertion. If one can back up their assertion with a CLEAR verse of Scripture, then they should do so. |
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518 | Is sickness from satan? | Job 2:7 | Radioman2 | 83580 | ||
Norrie: To know what characters may not be included in your submission, do this: 1. Write a posting 2. Deliberately type one of the following: a plus sign, ampersand, greater than symbol, or dollar sign 3. Click on "Preview" 4. You will then get a message that shows you all the characters you cannot use 5. Print out this message and keep it by your PC or keyboard. Then, when you get that error message again or if you're in doubt, you can look at the printout. This really works and it only takes a couple of minutes to do it. :-) Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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519 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83473 | ||
Part 2. THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE 'We will be examining the message as expounded by two recognized leaders of the [WOF] movement: Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth (and Gloria) Copeland. ( . . . ) 'At this point, although it may not be fully clear what the Lord did experience in His death on the cross, it is evident that it did not include a spiritual death which resulted in His becoming a mere mortal man. To so assert, in the absence of any biblical warrant, is to move beyond sound doctrine and into unscriptural and potentially dangerous speculation. 'However, the "Faith" teachers do turn to a handful of selected verses in an effort to substantiate their view. It may be helpful to examine a few of the more important passages they cite. 'One of the verses that is heavily relied upon for substantiating the doctrine of Jesus' "spiritual death" is II Corinthians 5:21: 'He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 'As we have seen, the "Faith" message teaches that this means that Jesus "took upon Himself our sin nature," accepted in His own spirit "spiritual death," and that He, as a result, ceased to be the God-man and became a mortal man. 'In examining this passage, one of the first things to be noted is that the word "sin" is used as an abstract noun. As such, biblical commentators have noted that the expression "to be sin" must be metonymical. 'A metonym is "a figure of speech consisting of the use of the name of one thing for that of another of which it is an attribute or with which it is associated (as in 'lands belonging to the crown').[xxxi] 'Metonym is often used in Scripture, as in the example where Jesus comments that "those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). It is clear that Jesus is not making a dogmatic assertion concerning how an individual who "takes up the sword" shall specifically die, but simply stating a general truth. Thus, the phrase "perish by the sword" is one example of a metonym. 'T.J. Crawford, in his excellent work The Doctrine of Holy Scripture Respecting the Atonement, offers important insight into the metonymical expression in II Corinthians 5:21. 'Still, though on these grounds our common translation is to be preferred [over rendering the phrase "to be sin" as "to be a sin-offering"], there can be no doubt that the expression is metonymical, since it is impossible that Christ, or any person, could be literally made "SIN." The abstract word "sin" must necessarily be held to be here put for some concrete. And there is no concrete that we can think of as denoted by it, except either "a sinner," or "one who bears or suffers for sin." Now, that Christ "was made a sinner for us" is inconsistent, not only with the testimony which the Scriptures elsewhere bear to His immaculate holiness, but with the express statement in the adjoining clause, that "He knew no sin." Accordingly, we are shut up to the other interpretation, that Christ was "made sin for us" in the sense of being divinely appointed to bear the burden or to suffer the penal consequences of our transgressions.[xxxii] 'We see from the above that, taking into account the language and context, the meaning of the expression "made to be sin for us" is that Christ suffered the legal consequences -- the penalty -- for our sin. Although Jesus identified with sinners, it is unjustifiable to read the passage to imply that He took on our sin nature (and, according to the "Faith" teachers, "Satan's nature" -- spiritual death). ( . . . ) 'Therefore, in discussing II Corinthians 5:21 and the interpretation offered by the "Faith" teachers --although we have hardly exhausted what could be said -- certain truths are clear. Christ "was made sin for us" by becoming the legal substitute for sinners. He suffered precisely that kind, degree, and duration of suffering that the absolute, just wisdom of God determined was a full equivalent for all that would have been required of individual sinners. The assertion that He suffered spiritual death and underwent a change in nature is unsupported by II Corinthians 5:21 and goes against the plain teachings of Scripture that we have examined. It will suffice to say, in the words of Alexander Bruce, ". . . it was needful that the sin-bearer, though divine, should endure all that it was possible for a holy Being to suffer in the way of penalty"[xxxiv] [original emphasis].' ____________________ Excerpted from: THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE by Brian Onken To read more go to: (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm) |
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520 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83470 | ||
THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE 'We will be examining the message as expounded by two recognized leaders of the [WOF] movement: Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth (and Gloria) Copeland. (...) [Note by Radioman2: Ellipses in this post represent lengthy quotations from Hagin and Copeland. Space limitations prevent me from including their quotes here. To read the entire article, including quotes and footnote references, go to (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm)] 'When examining the "Faith" teaching on this subject, two "truths" stand out. It is taught that Jesus "died spiritually" and that, therefore, Jesus had to be born-again. Let's take a closer look at the "what" and the "why" of these views. 'The place to begin is, obviously, to define "spiritual death." (...) 'According to the "Faith" message, spiritual death is more than a separation from God; it entails a distinct change in nature. Spiritual death includes having, in some sense, Satan's nature. 'Building upon this, as we look at the Atonement, we need to next understand whether this "spiritual death" is what Christ suffered for us. (...) 'So it is clear that Jesus, according to these men, suffered the same spiritual death that Adam suffered. In some significant way, His nature must have changed as He took our sin nature -- and hence "Satan's nature" or "spiritual death" -- as His own. But, for such a one as Christ Jesus, what are the implications of this spiritual death? (...) 'Dramatic indeed! And what do these excerpts teach us about Jesus' spiritual death? His nature was radically altered and He was ushered into hell to suffer for three days and nights.' ____________________ Excerpted from: THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE by Brian Onken (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm) |
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